Defensive Free Agents Hope to Return; But Likely to Test Market Come March

LocimusPrime

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Can't get an entire new backfield in one offseason and expect them all to be on the same page. They need real gametime to gell and understand the defense that mareniili runs. We can add 1-2 new guys but 3-4 is risky
 

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Those are the two that shouldn't . Ones a headcase and the other is average injury prone. I'd rather spend that 5-6 million a year on a new CB .

Ones a head case who is one of the better defensive linemen in the league....the other.....injury prone. Correct. But, this year proved to be a solid corner in this league who can potentially get better. Those are our two best free agents. I don't believe there will be better free agents on the market for us to get when you factor in skill and contract. I won't break the bank for them but i'd look into bringing them back for a solid price.

Its not realistic to expect your whole team to change this offseason. You have to bring some starters back.
 

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Let me see if I understand this. People want Mo and Carr gone.

Then what? Sure it's easy to say, "just get one in FA". Sure...who is out there? And, don't you think other CB hungry teams will want to get one there too? Our only CB will be Oscan. No way do we want to use a premium draft pick on CB with all our needs.

I don't understand it either. I was more disappointed in our safeties then I was our corners. Yet, the corners are the ones everyone want to replace. You can win with our corners. I'm not sure if you can with our safeties. Not both of those guys starting. Wilcox and Church can't be on the field at the same time.

People aren't thinking reasonable.

Mo should be brought back. Carr.....his contract may allow for him to be brought back. But this team needs to upgrade its safety position. Then worry about corner.

But if this team is going to field out a "bend but don't break" defense then they shouldn't even invest in secondary. Especially at #4.
 

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Mo should be brought back. Carr.....his contract may allow for him to be brought back. But this team needs to upgrade its safety position. Then worry about corner.

Exactly, the Safeties were the issue. Wilcox completely regressed and Church is a better version of Hayden in being good against the run and a liability on passing downs.

I do think Byron Jones is a future All Pro however, if we only sign Weddle or a FA of that caliber and then move last years starters into backup roles the secondary will improve a ton.
 

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Exactly, the Safeties were the issue. Wilcox completely regressed and Church is a better version of Hayden in being good against the run and a liability on passing downs.

I do think Byron Jones is a future All Pro however, if we only sign Weddle or a FA of that caliber and then move last years starters into backup roles the secondary will improve a ton.

Its hard to do in todays NFL but i'm always a fan of when you can allow for some of your starts to be demoted to reserve roles to create depth.

I think with Byron they need to figure out which position he will play. Whether its corner or safety. He's raw. But I think if they see him as a safety that's where he needs to be.

I always wonder though what do our safeties do in our defense. Every time I watch our corners on TV they are on a island by themselves or in zone coverage. You rarely see safeties him them out over the top.
 

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I think with Byron they need to figure out which position he will play. Whether its corner or safety. He's raw. But I think if they see him as a safety that's where he needs to be.

I think he would do great at FS or CB if he was allowed to focus on one position, especially with the normal improvement second year players make. I've read they want him as the FS next year but I don't know if that was official or just chatter.
 

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I don't think he had a good season . He was average but if he leaves it's another huge hole that needs filled. I think with a full offseason and the same contract 1 year 3,000,000 we have nothing to lose.

This. He's done nothing to warrant hand wringing if he's not signed. However, he can make some plays. He is not what I want for pass defense although he's not bad. He's just not fast enough.

This teams has to address team speed as well as physicality including tackling from their LBers. It needs some pass defense.

Some have stated they don't think there is enough talent on the team. I thought about that and I have to agree on defense that is true and has been for awhile. It is getting better but we need 5 more players on that unit.
 

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This. He's done nothing to warrant hand wringing if he's not signed. However, he can make some plays. He is not what I want for pass defense although he's not bad. He's just not fast enough.

This teams has to address team speed as well as physicality including tackling from their LBers. It needs some pass defense.

Some have stated they don't think there is enough talent on the team. I thought about that and I have to agree on defense that is true and has been for awhile. It is getting better but we need 5 more players on that unit.

Its hard to tell how good this defense is. Because if you asked me this last year I would've told you that we had a few playmakers. You have Scandrick, Sean Lee, McClain, Greg Hardy....this is prior to this season starting. I think this defense realistically needs a few starters.

You are going to have holes. You can't be dominant at every position. This defense realistically can get a 1 tech in here that can come in and start off the back. They need another corner. They may need another starting corner depending on what they do with Carr and Claiborne. They need to get reliable at linebacker. I don't think you can no longer rely on Sean Lee or McClain to be healthy.

This defense is not that far off.
 

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He played injured all year. I don't think it would hurt to bring him back to camp for the minimum.

I don't want to see Hayden anywhere near this team.

An awful lot of unproductive players "playing hurt" in Dallas these days.

Of course I couldn't produce, I was hurt. Who could possibly produce when they play hurt every single week?
 

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An awful lot of unproductive players "playing hurt" in Dallas these days.

Of course I couldn't produce, I was hurt. Who could possibly produce when they play hurt every single week?

Seems like a reasonable excuse IMO. I'd be more willing to get to the reason for why is everyone hurt.
 

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I don't think he had a good season . He was average but if he leaves it's another huge hole that needs filled. I think with a full offseason and the same contract 1 year 3,000,000 we have nothing to lose.

This. He's done nothing to warrant hand wringing if he's not signed. However, he can make some plays. He is not what I want for pass defense although he's not bad. He's just not fast enough.

This teams has to address team speed as well as physicality including tackling from their LBers. It needs some pass defense.

Some have stated they don't think there is enough talent on the team. I thought about that and I have to agree on defense that is true and has been for awhile. It is getting better but we need 5 more players on that unit.
Its hard to tell how good this defense is. Because if you asked me this last year I would've told you that we had a few playmakers. You have Scandrick, Sean Lee, McClain, Greg Hardy....this is prior to this season starting. I think this defense realistically needs a few starters.

You are going to have holes. You can't be dominant at every position. This defense realistically can get a 1 tech in here that can come in and start off the back. They need another corner. They may need another starting corner depending on what they do with Carr and Claiborne. They need to get reliable at linebacker. I don't think you can no longer rely on Sean Lee or McClain to be healthy.

This defense is not that far off.

Not saying it isn't if you couple it with a Romo offense. Not far off is subjective anyway.

Lawrence is a good or better 5.
Crawford is a good 3.
We don't have a 1/3 starter I like although Irving is a 1/3/5 as well as Crawford although Irving is a better 5 than 1 and vice versa Crawford.
Hardy may be gone. Gregory is not ready. I agree J Crawford is a tad underrated.
We need another pass rusher and another 3 to compete.

Lee is too oft injured. Love the guy but he has to find a way to stay on the field.
Ro I think is a tad undermotivated but he is also not the all world talent some think. He is slow. Good old fashioned Mike.
Hitchens is overmotivated and a tad short on talent but not much. He's a player not a playmaker. Still love this guy.
The rest are journeymen. We need fast and hard hitting LBers. After looking at the personnel this is a big problem.

Not going thru the DB as it's not worth it. OScan and Jones are keepers. The rest are hopefuls. I like the athleticism of Heath but he's not a playmaker. He's a 3-4 S who makes it as a tackler and STer.

Note to Jerry. You need long physical DBs who can tackle in this league. You have to be able to pressure, play the run, and outfight WRs for the ball. There are too many big WRs in the league. Get a DB coach who can coach that and scheme. Do we roll coverage enough? Disguise? Play stacks, rubs and intermediate slants etc well? How about pyramids with the LBers.

There's a lot of work on that side IMO. One disclaimer. I haven't watched ONE single All-22 this year. So they may be scheming and running sophisticated Ds now and I don't know it. If so let me know and I'll give you a my bad. I doubt it though.
 

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Look guys you have to understand this defense was good enough to win this year . They finished 12th in the NFL despite us having the worse offense in the league. The lack of turnovers has a lot to do with constantly playing from behind. The defense couldn't play loose or take many risks because our offense was so bad. The defense wasn't great this year but it was good. We need to invest in offensive playmakers this offseason more than anything IMO. If our offense can score 27-30 points a game i guarantee you this defense is good enough to win 10-12 games.
 

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Look guys you have to understand this defense was good enough to win this year . They finished 12th in the NFL despite us having the worse offense in the league. The lack of turnovers has a lot to do with constantly playing from behind. The defense couldn't play loose or take many risks because our offense was so bad. The defense wasn't great this year but it was good. We need to invest in offensive playmakers this offseason more than anything IMO. If our offense can score 27-30 points a game i guarantee you this defense is good enough to win 10-12 games.

I agree but they need some players
 

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As much as I would love to blow up the whole secondary at once, I think the most likely scenario is:

Cut Carr and Church
Resign Mo to a short incentive based contract. I wouldn't bring him back but I think we will.
Corners are Mo and Oscan
Jones is full time FS
Sign a FA or draft a SS.
Would keep Wilcox and Heath for depth and special teams only
 

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Seems like a reasonable excuse IMO. I'd be more willing to get to the reason for why is everyone hurt.

And I'm inclined to believe that not all of them actually are hurt.

You can't possibly be so hurt that you're basically worthless, and yet be healthy enough to play nearly ever game.
 
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