Deforest Buckner has better upside than Bosa

[Wood]

When I look at film on Buckner & Bosa it becomes clear who is better at getting to QB and its Buckner. He is 6-7" 290 lb guy who I think moves up the boards as we get closer to draft. Below are their videos for comparison to evaluate burst, twitch and moves arsenal.

Buckner



Bosa

 

[tm1119]

Now compile a video with every time each got washed out of a play and was a complete non factor. Buckner's would be 3x as long as Bosa's.

In terms of athletic ability and size I think you could argue that Buckner has more upside than any D player in this draft. But like most players that tall he suffers from pad level and leverage issues. He's way too easily taken out of plays for my liking. When he does stay low and shows off his quickness he's definitely hard to deal with though, just a matter of consistency and motor. So I won't put up a huge argument about upside, but Bosa's floor is undeniably way higher than Buckner's.

 

[Aliencowboy]

When I look at film on Buckner & Bosa it becomes clear who is better at getting to QB and its Buckner. He is 6-7" 290 lb guy who I think moves up the boards as we get closer to draft. Below are their videos for comparison to evaluate burst, twitch and moves arsenal.

Buckner



Bosa

It's you and me on this guy. My mock is getting killed for Buckner #4. I agree with you also that Buckner will be a better player than Bosa.

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Ehh, like the kid but he looks like a 3-4 DE to me. No way I take him at 4 and I don't think he's the same quality pass rusher as Bosa.

 

[Alexander]

Ehh, like the kid but he looks like a 3-4 DE to me. No way I take him at 4 and I don't think he's the same quality pass rusher as Bosa.

Different types of players. If I wanted Tyrone Crawford's replacement, Buckner would be at the top of the list. I don't see him as an edge player in a four man line, at least not right away.

Bosa could plug in right away at LDE.

 

[Chuck 54]

We've already invested 3 recent draft picks on DE---Lawrence, Gregory, and Russell.
I don't see us drafting another DE, even if he's better than what we have, when we have other needs.

We need a LB.....but not at #4
We need a S....but not at #4 unless moving Jones back to CB
We need a young RB....but we're not desperate, and certainly not at #4
We need a QB....but with an average group coming out this year, that's a huge risk at #4, one that won't pay dividends anytime soon

We need a powerful, big time DT
We need a CB who can come in and start
We need speed and reliability on offense at WR/TE

Personally, unless we take a DB at #4, I would love to trade back for two #1's.....then use them on CB and DT in round 1
Round 2....WR/LB
Round 3....maybe a developmental QB or RB

 

[Alexander]

We need a LB.....but not at #4

Disagree here. Myles Jack is debatable, Jaylon Smith would have been a real strong favorite with a healthy knee.

But you are right, I think it is time for the offense. That was our real downfall last year, even with the QB issues. We had no explosive players at WR. We were mediocre at RB until getting McFadden involved more. We actually had Dunbar playing a crucial role when a player of his unreliability had no business being counted on.

 

[CATCH17]

These types of highlight videos that are zoomed in don't really show anything.





Something like this is much better.






Honestly.. Im not impressed. He looks very Chris Cantyish to me.

 

[RS12]

Ehh, like the kid but he looks like a 3-4 DE to me. No way I take him at 4 and I don't think he's the same quality pass rusher as Bosa.

I agree but I dont know if either would play up to their billing.

 

[tm1119]

We've already invested 3 recent draft picks on DE---Lawrence, Gregory, and Russell.
I don't see us drafting another DE, even if he's better than what we have, when we have other needs.

We need a LB.....but not at #4
We need a S....but not at #4 unless moving Jones back to CB
We need a young RB....but we're not desperate, and certainly not at #4
We need a QB....but with an average group coming out this year, that's a huge risk at #4, one that won't pay dividends anytime soon

We need a powerful, big time DT
We need a CB who can come in and start
We need speed and reliability on offense at WR/TE

Personally, unless we take a DB at #4, I would love to trade back for two #1's.....then use them on CB and DT in round 1
Round 2....WR/LB
Round 3....maybe a developmental QB or RB

Technically, 4 picks if you count the 2 for Lawrence.

Lawrence, Gregory, Russell...that's who we have under contract at DE. And we don't need help though? We are in huge trouble unless we add guys who can get to the QB

 

[sbark]

at 6'7 etc, Do we already have a very similar player in David Irving. He has shown ability to get upfeild from a DT position for a rookie. Does he have the "roster flexibility" to swing outside and give snaps as a DE. We watch Marinelli drop Hardy inside, but I see Irving as a guy who could step outside and give some snaps as a DE over time. Negates the need, unless they are generational players like a Watt, to go with DE pick at the 4 spot.

 

[Wood]

Ehh, like the kid but he looks like a 3-4 DE to me. No way I take him at 4 and I don't think he's the same quality pass rusher as Bosa.

to be honest I only really like Geoff at #4 and if he is gone I am ok trading back and taking best defensive player on board out of these guys:

1. Deforest Buckner
2. Myles Jack
3. Andrew Billings

 

[tyke1doe]

We've already invested 3 recent draft picks on DE---Lawrence, Gregory, and Russell.
I don't see us drafting another DE, even if he's better than what we have, when we have other needs.

We need a LB.....but not at #4
We need a S....but not at #4 unless moving Jones back to CB
We need a young RB....but we're not desperate, and certainly not at #4
We need a QB....but with an average group coming out this year, that's a huge risk at #4, one that won't pay dividends anytime soon

We need a powerful, big time DT
We need a CB who can come in and start
We need speed and reliability on offense at WR/TE

Personally, unless we take a DB at #4, I would love to trade back for two #1's.....then use them on CB and DT in round 1
Round 2....WR/LB
Round 3....maybe a developmental QB or RB

Do you mean you'd like to trade back for a #1 and #2 and then use the #2 to move back into the first round? There aren't any teams that have two first-round picks in this draft.

Second, what corners and DTs do you think are worth jumping back in the first round to take?

 

[texbumthelife]

I like Buckner and even mentioned him at four, weeks before Kiper did, but I haven't seen anything he is better at now than Bosa,or anything that would convince me he'll be better later. Bosa has better tape, better stats and a better motor. He's a student of the game and you wont find a harder worker.

This team needs to stop trying to win the lottery with every pick and start taking guys that have proven themselves.

Also, as someone already stated, David Irving is essentially Buckner with a better motor and more athleticism. I am extremely excited to see what Irving does next year.

 

[jterrell]

Buckner is overrated.
He is basically Shawn Oakman with a better motor. And I was telling people Billings eas better than Oakman last year.
Guys were constantly able to get to his body and block him.

I watched TCU come back from a zillon down while Buckner looked lost. He had one sack versus a mediocre TCU line and back up QB.

He is a 3-4 DE IMHO, not an edge rusher. IF everything goes 100% right he is JJP. Worst case he is Margus Hunt who has 1.5 sacks in 3 years.

I expect him to fall as the process occurs.

 

[texbumthelife]

Buckner is overrated.
He is basically Shawn Oakman with a better motor. And I was telling people Billings eas better than Oakman last year.
Guys were constantly able to get to his body and block him.

I watched TCU come back from a zillon down while Buckner looked lost. He had one sack versus a mediocre TCU line and back up QB.

He is a 3-4 DE IMHO, not an edge rusher. IF everything goes 100% right he is JJP. Worst case he is Margus Hunt who has 1.5 sacks in 3 years.

I expect him to fall as the process occurs.

Baylor actually has a few prospects on defense I like a lot better than Oakman. I just don't trust him. For a few plays a game he literally looks like one of the best defensive prospects ever. Then for a few games he looks like a second round pick. For the majority of games, he looks pretty pedestrian.

I am really coming around on Billings. His athleticism aside, it's not often you see a guy that size with that kind of motor. For a huge man, he is relentless. I am still not sure I would take him at four, because he's not a pure pass rusher, but in a trade back I think he would absolutely become a target. If Dallas has designs on playing the way Carolina does, then they have to get someone like Billings inside who has the beef and the motor.

 

[jterrell]

Baylor actually has a few prospects on defense I like a lot better than Oakman. I just don't trust him. For a few plays a game he literally looks like one of the best defensive prospects ever. Then for a few games he looks like a second round pick. For the majority of games, he looks pretty pedestrian.

I am really coming around on Billings. His athleticism aside, it's not often you see a guy that size with that kind of motor. For a huge man, he is relentless. I am still not sure I would take him at four, because he's not a pure pass rusher, but in a trade back I think he would absolutely become a target. If Dallas has designs on playing the way Carolina does, then they have to get someone like Billings inside who has the beef and the motor.

Billings is so powerful but also chases like crazy. Oakman can do freakish things but often he is just lost in the wash.
If we move to a more balanced DL Billings mid R1 is ideal.

 

[sureletsrace]

Buckner is going to make a fine 5-tech DE in a 3-4. I don't see him as a 4-3 player in any capacity.

 

[VACowboy]

What's amazing is that Buckner didn't have the same uniform on in any two of those clips.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I agree but I dont know if either would play up to their billing.

Seems to be a lot of that in the top 10.