Delores Rhoads, Music Teacher + Mother of Randy Rhoads, Dies at 95

[TheDude]

I don't know about the most because at around the same time Yngwie was just making a name for himself. Ive heard tapes of Yngwie playing when he was 15 and he was technically brilliant. Back to RR though , he often got overshadowed by those who called him a EVH clone/jr, but make no mistake he as very technically brilliant and also had something that most don't have and that is a sound that was instantly recognizable as the one and only Randy Rhoads.

He introduced classical influence to hard rock metal in the most perfect way.

EVH was very good but he was all pull offs and three finger tapping.
Randy was a great composer. EVH could never compose mr. Crowley, diary, over the mountain, revelation Mother Earth (solo sounds like a violin), SATO,
Yngwie never really took off. Made fun of EVH. Never really developed his own sound. Just played very very fast.

RR and EVH = unique, very recognizable sound. YNGWIE = no.

Eddie is a really underrated rhythm player...completely different style than Randy. Kinda like comparing Mozart and Back or Rembrant and Picasso...futile exercise. To me edde was spontaneous and more innovative (mean streets, eruption (1978), cathedral, etc) with a pop sense, Randy was more technically proficient and understood music theory inside and out.

Randy being in Quiet Riot prior to Ozzy was heavily influenced by Eddie in 1976-8 - they played the same clubs - Roxy, Whiskey, Gazzaris, troubador, etc.

 

[TheDude]

^^^^you can hear the classical influences big time and this even precedes anything RR did by 3 years or so.

Yngwie locked down on Paganini and Richie Blackmore. His alternate, sweep, and economy picking really was the final revolution and evolution of the hard rock electric guitar.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Ya, I much prefer Dairy over Blizzard although the solo on Revelation Mother is amazingly brilliant. As you said in earlier post I believe, almost violin like, very fluid and effortless. Two of the best concerts ive seen were EVH in 1979 in a little old place that held about only 2500 people and then Randy in 82 about a month before the accident with UFO opening. Amazing.

If you really dissect the songs. There is musical genius yo the way they are put together.

Randy would put tracks on top tracks. Redo them. Everyone would go home or go out. He would stay.
It was evident on the songs compositions.

Intro to over the mountain. The slow eerie beginning that solo. Then things go "off the rails"... Solo outro is bad arse. Big Bang at the end.

Eddie is a really underrated rhythm player...completely different style than Randy. Kinda like comparing Mozart and Back or Rembrant and Picasso...futile exercise. To me edde was spontaneous and more innovative (mean streets, eruption (1978), cathedral, etc) with a pop sense, Randy was more technically proficient and understood music theory inside and out.

Randy being in Quiet Riot prior to Ozzy was heavily influenced by Eddie in 1976-8 - they played the same clubs - Roxy, Whiskey, Gazzaris, troubador, etc.

The bold is very accurate.


I know randy and kevin dubrow wanted a band early on. I don't think it was because of Eddie.
Also, randy, was a true student. He wanted to learn. He was a sponge. He wanted to know how Eddie kept his guitar tuned or something.... Eddie told him to bugger off. Lol

 

[TheDude]

I know randy and kevin dubrow wanted a band early on. I don't think it was because of Eddie.
Also, randy, was a true student. He wanted to learn. He was a sponge. He wanted to know how Eddie kept his guitar tuned or something.... Eddie told him to bugger off. Lol

I didnt mean to intimate that Randy only played because of Eddie, just that Quiet Riot was a bit more of a "party" band and not that Ozzy/Sabbath/minor flat 5 even diminished vibe that The Ozzy records became.

ALso very good point about The overdubs. Randy would double the solos and layer many textures in the studio. Eddie was a bit more spontaneous and off the cuff on many songs (one take per song). There are some noticeable "mistakes" in certain eddie solos that ended up lending to the uniqueness that I dont think Randy would have lived with. Eddie really tinkered and built guitars and amps that is under looked. he used to put pencil shavings in the nut to keep strings in tune before locking tremolos. Randy really structured songs as composures....

I would have loved for Randy to be able to arrange those songs for and play with an orchestra like Yngwie and Vai have. Randy easily could have written operas

 

[big dog cowboy]

Randy in 82 about a month before the accident with UFO opening. Amazing.

UFO was awesome here opening for Ozzy. I really wish I could see that concert again.

 

[kimrose]

Cmon man....

"EVH was very good but he was all pull offs and three finger tapping"
You know better.........

And at the same time RR couldn't have composed Eruption, Spanish Fly, the intro to Mean Streets and Cathedral. Not trying to turn this into a "my guy is better than your guy" thingy, just saying i love both and each are/were tremendously gifted.

Ok found it.....A demo from Yngwie in 1978 which woulda put him at around 15 years old at the time. In 1978 both EVH and RR would have been around 21-22 years of age.
The last 10 mins of the demo are jaw dropping brilliant especially given his age and the year{78}

Ah man, I'm quoting you again, Achilles. Sorry, but I just finished the whole tape (had to stop for a while to go grocery shopping, cook, and eat, lol) and I gotta say I am in love. I know of Yngwie as an adult, but I had no idea he was so gifted at such a young age. Although really, in order to be so good in your twenties, you are more than likely also good in your teens. But to hear this kid play and absorb the fabric and heart of his music is mind boggling! I felt his heart and genius in every note. Not really easy to do so young, especially when most kids his age were trying to learn the chords. lol. Growing up in a musical, predominantly guitar oriented household, me playing myself from the age of 10, I really appreciate this man. Not enough kind words for his gift.

Just wanted to say Thank you so much for sharing this with us. I already put it on a youtube playlist, where I will be able to enjoy it again.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

Eddie is a really underrated rhythm player...completely different style than Randy. Kinda like comparing Mozart and Back or Rembrant and Picasso...futile exercise. To me edde was spontaneous and more innovative (mean streets, eruption (1978), cathedral, etc) with a pop sense, Randy was more technically proficient and understood music theory inside and out.

Randy being in Quiet Riot prior to Ozzy was heavily influenced by Eddie in 1976-8 - they played the same clubs - Roxy, Whiskey, Gazzaris, troubador, etc.

Must have been something in the water out there in the Los Angeles area to have so many tremendous players come from the area.
EVH, Rhoads.....and the player who took Randy's spot teaching at Musonia when he left to play with Ozzy, George Lynch whom I love. DeMartini was also pretty good. Cant forget about CC Deville either............ok just j/k about CC, anyone who knows anything about playing knows he is terrible.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

Ah man, I'm quoting you again, Achilles. Sorry, but I just finished the whole tape (had to stop for a while to go grocery shopping, cook, and eat, lol) and I gotta say I am in love. I know of Yngwie as an adult, but I had no idea he was so gifted at such a young age. Although really, in order to be so good in your twenties, you are more than likely also good in your teens. But to hear this kid play and absorb the fabric and heart of his music is mind boggling! I felt his heart and genius in every note. Not really easy to do so young, especially when most kids his age were trying to learn the chords. lol. Growing up in a musical, predominantly guitar oriented household, me playing myself from the age of 10, I really appreciate this man. Not enough kind words for his gift.

Just wanted to say Thank you so much for sharing this with us. I already put it on a youtube playlist, where I will be able to enjoy it again.

Just listening to it makes ya wanna quit right lol.
He was a monster but idk why caught a lot of flak and while some it was rightly deserved it doesn't change the fact he was leagues above most players. Some of the stuff he played in that video were things that no one was doing at the time and that includes Rhoads and EVH.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

I didnt mean to intimate that Randy only played because of Eddie, just that Quiet Riot was a bit more of a "party" band and not that Ozzy/Sabbath/minor flat 5 even diminished vibe that The Ozzy records became.

ALso very good point about The overdubs. Randy would double the solos and layer many textures in the studio. Eddie was a bit more spontaneous and off the cuff on many songs (one take per song). There are some noticeable "mistakes" in certain eddie solos that ended up lending to the uniqueness that I dont think Randy would have lived with. Eddie really tinkered and built guitars and amps that is under looked. he used to put pencil shavings in the nut to keep strings in tune before locking tremolos. Randy really structured songs as composures....

I would have loved for Randy to be able to arrange those songs for and play with an orchestra like Yngwie and Vai have. Randy easily could have written operas

Yep, used a brass nut instead of the crud plastic one and add a little 3in1 oil or graphite where the strings pass over and the thing will never go out of tune. My strat has a stock tremolo and with me adding 3in1 oil to the nut the thing stays in tune 99.0 of the time while using the bar. Also EVH influenced countless other players to use a strat style guitar with a humbucker and a Floyd rose. Van Halen was also a precursor of sorts to hair metal.

 

[big dog cowboy]

DeMartini was also pretty good.

The man known as "Torch" is in my top 3 all time.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

The man known as "Torch" is in my top 3 all time.

Wait, are you referring to Warren? If so I have never heard him called that.

 

[kimrose]

Yep, used a brass nut instead of the crud plastic one and add a little 3in1 oil or graphite where the strings pass over and the thing will never go out of tune. My strat has a stock tremolo and with me adding 3in1 oil to the nut the thing stays in tune 99.0 of the time while using the bar. Also EVH influenced countless other players to use a strat style guitar with a humbucker and a Floyd rose. Van Halen was also a precursor of sorts to hair metal.

Dang. You have a Stratocaster? That's awesome, man. I have my dad's Gibson ES-330, I believe it is. I'm not sure, going off memory, because there is nothing on the guitar to specify. I remember my dad telling me many years ago, it was one rung off from Lucille, his favorite guitar on earth (from the 60s era), being the blues man that he was, the most he could realistically afford. He bought it in the mid '60s, spent his whole paycheck plus some savings on it, and nearly got himself killed by my mom for it! lol. The guitar is older than I am, about 50 or so years old, and I love it. I also have an acoustic Ibanez he gave me for Christmas about 13 years ago. Treasures. Don't play them much anymore. Need to get back in to it. Thanks for this whole thread. Really. I've already drug my dad's Gibson out and composed a tune, that drove my 20 yr old son out of bed, wondering who I was playing. I told him I composed the tune as a thank you to my dad for being so awesome.

I mean, I know this was not what the thread was started for, but I know that Randy Rhoads would think it was awesome that a thread about his mom's death would lead to guitar talks. And Philthy would just love any music talks, as well. It lets them know their lives mattered, that what they did meant something to those they wanted to reach.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Wait, are you referring to Warren? If so I have never heard him called that.

Yep. He's a bad man.

http://www.getnetworth.com/warren-demartini-net-worth/

http://www.warrendemartinicharvel.com/warren-demartini/

It's even on his Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_DeMartini

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

Dang. You have a Stratocaster? That's awesome, man. I have my dad's Gibson ES-330, I believe it is. I'm not sure, going off memory, because there is nothing on the guitar to specify. I remember my dad telling me many years ago, it was one rung off from Lucille, his favorite guitar on earth (from the 60s era), being the blues man that he was, the most he could realistically afford. He bought it in the mid '60s, spent his whole paycheck plus some savings on it, and nearly got himself killed by my mom for it! lol. The guitar is older than I am, about 50 or so years old, and I love it. I also have an acoustic Ibanez he gave me for Christmas about 13 years ago. Treasures. Don't play them much anymore. Need to get back in to it. Thanks for this whole thread. Really. I've already drug my dad's Gibson out and composed a tune, that drove my 20 yr old son out of bed, wondering who I was playing. I told him I composed the tune as a thank you to my dad for being so awesome.

I mean, I know this was not what the thread was started for, but I know that Randy Rhoads would think it was awesome that a thread about his mom's death would lead to guitar talks. And Philthy would just love any music talks, as well. It lets them know their lives mattered, that what they did meant something to those they wanted to reach.

Ok whatever you do, do not sell that guitar. It sounds like it could be worth a nice chuck of money lol.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

Yep. He's a bad man.

http://www.getnetworth.com/warren-demartini-net-worth/

http://www.warrendemartinicharvel.com/warren-demartini/

It's even on his Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_DeMartini

He is, and darn only 400-600 bucks for one of his custom made guitars. Sounds like a steal as long as it isn't a Kramer.

 

[kimrose]

Ok whatever you do, do not sell that guitar. It sounds like it could be worth a nice chuck of money lol.

Ohohoho no. lol. She is safe with me. I am holding her for my dad. She is not going anywhere, as long as I live. Don't care how much she is worth. I have some other relics and mints left by my grandparents that are probably worth a fortune, but I do not touch them. They are not mine to sell or to profit off of. I only hold onto them for my loved ones. They all really mean to much to me to ever even consider selling. Connection and love and all that.

My dad's guitar still plays like a dream, btw, still pretty much in tune, don't need an amp. I like the way she sounds natural, so real and heartfelt. Amazing. So close to on tune, I didn't even bother to tune her when I played her earlier. I finally called it a night, got hungry again. lol

 

[TheDude]

Must have been something in the water out there in the Los Angeles area to have so many tremendous players come from the area.
EVH, Rhoads.....and the player who took Randy's spot teaching at Musonia when he left to play with Ozzy, George Lynch whom I love. DeMartini was also pretty good. Cant forget about CC Deville either............ok just j/k about CC, anyone who knows anything about playing knows he is terrible.

LOL....You got me with CC..

DeMartini is very underrated. super tasteful player. I knew a few of the shrapnel guys when I was out here in the early 90s - Gilbert, Friedman, Kotzen. It was eyeopening to see the confluence of talent. BTW if you havent checked out Kotzen and Winery Dogs its a real treat

 

[TheDude]

Yep, used a brass nut instead of the crud plastic one and add a little 3in1 oil or graphite where the strings pass over and the thing will never go out of tune. My strat has a stock tremolo and with me adding 3in1 oil to the nut the thing stays in tune 99.0 of the time while using the bar. Also EVH influenced countless other players to use a strat style guitar with a humbucker and a Floyd rose. Van Halen was also a precursor of sorts to hair metal.

Awesome. I have been collecting for a while. my prize is a 60 Olympic White Strat. I did the 3in1 on it once and then went total Nigel Tufnel and dont ever let it be played or look at anymore. Lol.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

LOL....You got me with CC..

DeMartini is very underrated. super tasteful player. I knew a few of the shrapnel guys when I was out here in the early 90s - Gilbert, Friedman, Kotzen. It was eyeopening to see the confluence of talent. BTW if you havent checked out Kotzen and Winery Dogs its a real treat

I saw Gilbert/Mr Big here in a little crud club and Gilbert is amazing, almost unfair 1 person could be that good. Have heard a bit of Kotzen and he sounded pretty darn good.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

My gosh, Achilles. I am only 12 minutes in, and all I can say is beauty. Very heartfelt. This is some amazing guitar work. Can't believe Yngwie was just a kid back then. He is a prodigy.

As was/is Randy and Eddie, as well. So many brilliant guitarists. My favorite is still Stevie Ray Vaughn, another child prodigy.

Anyway, RIP to the lady that birthed one of the best guitarists we will ever know, and RIP to Phil Taylor, as well. Thank you for the music, sir.

Ya, I much prefer Dairy over Blizzard although the solo on Revelation Mother is amazingly brilliant. As you said in earlier post I believe, almost violin like, very fluid and effortless. Two of the best concerts ive seen were EVH in 1979 in a little old place that held about only 2500 people and then Randy in 82 about a month before the accident with UFO opening. Amazing.

I love shooting it with guys/gals who play or know of music.

Great stuff guys.

Must have been something in the water out there in the Los Angeles area to have so many tremendous players come from the area.
EVH, Rhoads.....and the player who took Randy's spot teaching at Musonia when he left to play with Ozzy, George Lynch whom I love. DeMartini was also pretty good. Cant forget about CC Deville either............ok just j/k about CC, anyone who knows anything about playing knows he is terrible.

Yup. I like warren demartini

Another favorite of mine...

Vivian Campbell and his work with Dio. Notably: last in line solo, holy diver and rainbow in the dark. Very unique sound.

Angus young, scorpions Matthias jabs... Don't know how good he was but I liked his sound