Delpit or McKinney will be pick at 17

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With the History of McCarthy speaking loudly and the needs in Dallas theres no doubt in my head, one of these guys will be the pick at 17.

Ill take it a step further and say if both are still there at 17 the pick is Delpit.

They used the word ballhawk at S. McKinney is better suited to playing closer to the box. As he's not a natural fit for a single high. He looks like a taller version of Woods. I wouldnt say he's a better box safety then woods is now because Woods puts it down, his faults come in coverage. As does McKinneys.

Delpit was bad at tackling in 2018, he improved this past yr. He could improve more but the point is he improved from 18 to 19. Saying this, he is an ideal fit for this team and what the coaches have talked about putting emphasis in the S being a ballhawk, which Delpit is. So IMO if he's there at 17, there no doubt in my mind that he's the pick.

Either one would improve this defense, but if McKInney is the pick i think they bring in a guy like Clinton Dix to play FS and playing McKinney at SS.
 

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Yawn. They both will be there at 25. They arent guarantee first round talents
 

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I wouldn't be mad at all if we drafted the #1 safety in the nation, 6'3" ball hawk Grant Delpit, as long as the Cowboys staff feels as though they can improve his tackling. I'll help with a scouting report:

Coverage Spacing - His range is pretty incredible. For a tall, lean build, he's incredibly fluid and has good linear burst and football IQ to break and challenge routes as a single high defender or as a rat/robber in the shallow areas to jump into throwing lanes. He's a high production safety with good contest skills and quick twitch.

Acceleration - He can fly. When he triggers from center field and into the flats, he's routinely beating teammates to the football. He's aided by quick processing power but he's also got the kind of true deep middle range and burst and juice to be an impact player if you want to play him 15 yards off the football.

Tackling - Man, he's frustrating here. He seems hesitant with the left shoulder to throw himself into tackles and he's super quick to drop his head and try to cut you down low. There's no reason for such lapses considering his reach and physical skill, which brings into question if he's physically/mentally over his 2018 clavicle injury.

Zone Coverage Skills - He's a ball hawk and hunter in intermediate spaces. Can be a true weapon to bust up RPOs with his length, range and reactive quickness. Shows good ball tracking skills in vertical reps and does well to flip, open and attack the football. He's capable of producing a ton of turnovers in zone.

Ball Skills - Length, hand-eye coordination and physicality all come into play and shine for him here. He's combative at the catch point, a comfortable hands catcher and he's got the quickness to undercut throws if the ball hangs or if a quarterback leaves his throws inside by mistake.

Competitive Toughness - His effort level is really nice. He's all over the field and constantly around the football. Functional strength in man coverage or when working the catch point should also be considered a plus. That said, he's going to need to figure out his tackling inconsistencies — it's a pretty notable wart on his current resume.

Flexibility - Fluid. He's one of the more naturally moving safety prospects in recent memory. His hips flip at degrees that shouldn't be possible and he's got a real dynamic base to plant and drive from steep angles. Hardly ever wastes a step because of how free his base and feet are to drop and collect momentum with force.

Feet/COD - Foot speed is tremendous. It's all second nature, too — doesn't have to think about his buzz or deep landmark drops and his short area adjustments in a deep pedal are excellent. Springing forward or laterally offers little challenge and allows him to cover ground swiftly.

Man Coverage Skills - Has ability to play press in the red zone and he's not going to panic with his back to the ball. He's better when he can hunt or prowl but should be considered a viable slot defender or match-up defender with tight ends because of his size. If he's healthy, there's no play call that should pull him off the field.

Versatility - High blitz productivity and role in the box throughout stretches of college career. He's a valued defender that can play man, play deep zone, buzz the intermediates, blitz off the edge or be a run defender from 2nd or 3rd level. Blend of quickness, length open the door for plethora of roles.

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Best Trait - Football IQ

Worst Trait - Tackling

Best Film - Florida (2019)

Worst Film - Alabama (2019)

Red Flags - 2018 Broken Clavicle

Player Summary - Grant Delpit projects as an impact defender at the NFL level. Tackling issues in the open field will put off some teams, but he's physically capable of booming hits and his foundation as a player is a pretty rare blend of skills — making him an enticing every down defender that can be a centerpiece to weekly game plans. Delpit has high football intelligence and can handle any number of roles or responsibilities, adding him to a roster will add infinite flexibility to back-end coverage combos.
 

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Delpit would have to play FS..hecant tackle & doesnt wrap up...so since Woods plays FS now Dallas has 0 SS lol...I prefer to grab a S in FA...Dix, Harris, Bell..poss grab a solid DT in FA are a bunch..that gives Dallas ability to draft BPA not a need ..poss Ruggs or Kinlaw or AJ Espinosa, Simmons.....grabbing a CB in 2-3rounds ..I also like Fetu & Elliott DT in 3-4th rounds
 

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I would be happy with either. If a top ten player falls I think they take a hard look him. If no one falls they may think about trading back a couple if they get a good offer.
 

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I’d be fine with either. Both might be around 20ish in terms of grade but S is one of the biggest weaknesses in the team and either would be an upgrade for us. This is also a pretty weak class for the position.

If the BPA is something that isn't remotely close to a need and these guys are only a slot or 2 behind them in pulling the trigger.
 

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Delpit would have to play FS..hecant tackle & doesnt wrap up...so since Woods plays FS now Dallas has 0 SS lol...I prefer to grab a S in FA...Dix, Harris, Bell..poss grab a solid DT in FA are a bunch..that gives Dallas ability to draft BPA not a need ..poss Ruggs or Kinlaw or AJ Espinosa, Simmons.....grabbing a CB in 2-3rounds ..I also like Fetu & Elliott DT in 3-4th rounds

This is the best route IMO. 100%.

Sign Bell, HaHa, any solid safety and DT.
 

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If kinlaw is gone it appears the best players at a need position is likely gonna be secondary
 

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The bad tackling is a huge red flag for me. We already have a secondary that can't tackle. We want to fix that not add to it. Tackling is about attitude. If a player is unwilling to stick his head in there and wrap up on a tackle, then he is not a player I want on my team, especially if I have a team that has given poor effort in the past.

I'd have to see who else is available at 17 before I criticize the pick, but in my head, Alabama players are usually a tougher breed. We need guys who turn 30 yard runs into 3 yard runs, not the other way around. I hope Nolan drills these guys on wrapping up and tackling.
 

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I like Delpit. Reminds me of Derwin James but he does need to get better at tackling.

I do think the tackling problems are fixable though and not as big of a deal as people make it.

He would improve our secondary.

But..

He's down my list of guys I want.

IMO, McKinney is a 2nd round player that will go in the 1st. I don't like his value.
 

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A question for some of you familiar with these two safetys. Are these two safetys any better than the three safetys we passed on last year in the 2nd round: Adderly, Thornhill and Rapp?
 

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With the History of McCarthy speaking loudly and the needs in Dallas theres no doubt in my head, one of these guys will be the pick at 17.

Ill take it a step further and say if both are still there at 17 the pick is Delpit.

They used the word ballhawk at S. McKinney is better suited to playing closer to the box. As he's not a natural fit for a single high. He looks like a taller version of Woods. I wouldnt say he's a better box safety then woods is now because Woods puts it down, his faults come in coverage. As does McKinneys.

Delpit was bad at tackling in 2018, he improved this past yr. He could improve more but the point is he improved from 18 to 19. Saying this, he is an ideal fit for this team and what the coaches have talked about putting emphasis in the S being a ballhawk, which Delpit is. So IMO if he's there at 17, there no doubt in my mind that he's the pick.

Either one would improve this defense, but if McKInney is the pick i think they bring in a guy like Clinton Dix to play FS and playing McKinney at SS.


I have missed feelings on both especially if they pass on Kinlaw to take one of them. If Kinlaw is there and his knee's check out he should be this selection no doubt than
they would need to come back in the second round and address the secondary.
 

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A question for some of you familiar with these two safetys. Are these two safetys any better than the three safetys we passed on last year in the 2nd round: Adderly, Thornhill and Rapp?
I think Thornhill is considerably ahead of both Delpit and McKinney - would be in the first-round conversation this year and should have been last year.
Rapp is the complete opposite of Delpit so hard to compare, but I'd take him last of the 3.
Adderley's a tough call. I don't think I'd take him before either Delpit or McKinney, b/c he was so raw, but he has more upside than McKinney.

Side note - I love this exercise.
 

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A question for some of you familiar with these two safetys. Are these two safetys any better than the three safetys we passed on last year in the 2nd round: Adderly, Thornhill and Rapp?
They haven't been rated yet. Probably after the combine. The safeties were rated higher in 2017.

Rapp was rated 6.3
Thornhill 6.3
Adderly 6.3
Derwin James 6.8
Minkah Fitzpatrick 6.7
 

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With the History of McCarthy speaking loudly and the needs in Dallas theres no doubt in my head, one of these guys will be the pick at 17.

Ill take it a step further and say if both are still there at 17 the pick is Delpit.

They used the word ballhawk at S. McKinney is better suited to playing closer to the box. As he's not a natural fit for a single high. He looks like a taller version of Woods. I wouldnt say he's a better box safety then woods is now because Woods puts it down, his faults come in coverage. As does McKinneys.

Delpit was bad at tackling in 2018, he improved this past yr. He could improve more but the point is he improved from 18 to 19. Saying this, he is an ideal fit for this team and what the coaches have talked about putting emphasis in the S being a ballhawk, which Delpit is. So IMO if he's there at 17, there no doubt in my mind that he's the pick.

Either one would improve this defense, but if McKInney is the pick i think they bring in a guy like Clinton Dix to play FS and playing McKinney at SS.
I think mckinney is an excellent cover guy and is a true fs imo, in fact I think he played some nickel CB this year at times
 

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A question for some of you familiar with these two safetys. Are these two safetys any better than the three safetys we passed on last year in the 2nd round: Adderly, Thornhill and Rapp?

I think they are both better prospects. I had that bunch as late 1st / early 2nd and I think Delpit and McKinney are top 25 prospects this year.
 

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I prefer Delpit...I think he's the best S in the group with a very bright future.
love his size.
love his athletic ability.
If Kinlaw is off the board...Delpit is my preference.
 

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I like Delpit. Reminds me of Derwin James but he does need to get better at tackling.

I do think the tackling problems are fixable though and not as big of a deal as people make it.

He would improve our secondary.

But..

He's down my list of guys I want.

IMO, McKinney is a 2nd round player that will go in the 1st. I don't like his value.
How is tackling fixable? They dont practice much in pads anymore ...if your bad in college u will probably suck in the NFL ..tackling is about Want to & heart ..Delpit trys to shoulder tackle 0 wrap up skills or arm tackler ...Delpit isnt a Dog
 
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