Delpit or McKinney will be pick at 17

[Gaede]

Theyre both at the end of my list.

I want a difference maker with my first pick..

Give me Delpit > McKinney because at least Delpit has a chance to not be your everyday NFL Safety.

Give me a DL, WR, or Corner over these safeties.

I'm cool with those options too

 

[America's Cowboy]

This whole forum is funny. Y'all wanted to trade for Earl Thomas several years ago because he's a hard hitting/tackling playmaker that can cover at Safety while playing anywhere in the secondary or even close to the line of scrimmage, and afterwards y'all wanted to trade for Jamal Adams for the same reason.

Now that you have a choice to take a clone Safety to the same type as Earl Thomas or Jamal Adams, y'all decide to pass up on Xavier McKinney but instead take poor tackling Grant Delpit? Are y'all serious?

Sorry but Xavier McKinney is exactly the kind of Safety that we need. Aggressive and hard hitting, sure tackling, a real playmaker and one who can cover anywhere on the field while making strong plays on the ball and creating turnovers. The choice should be obvious and simple.

 

[CATCH17]

This whole forum is funny. Y'all wanted to trade for Earl Thomas several years ago because he's a hard hitting/tackling playmaker that can cover at Safety while playing anywhere in the secondary or even close to the line of scrimmage, and afterwards y'all wanted to trade for Jamal Adams for the same reason.

Now that you have a choice to take a clone Safety to the same type as Earl Thomas or Jamal Adams, y'all decide to pass up on Xavier McKinney but instead take poor tackling Grant Delpit? Are y'all serious?

Sorry but Xavier McKinney is exactly the kind of Safety that we need. Aggressive and hard hitting, sure tackling, a real playmaker and one who can cover anywhere on the field while making strong plays on the ball and creating turnovers. The choice should be obvious and simple.

We wanted Earl Thomas because he is a playmaker.

I also wanted Minkah Fitzpatrick because I projected him as a playmaker.

I do not want Jamall Adams... Good football players but i'm not giving up a 1 for a position that has so little impact on football games.

Same goes for McKinney... I want an impact player with my 1st round pick and not some ho hum guy at that position.

If I have to have a safety then give me Delpit because I like his cover skills and potential as a playmaker.

I'm hoping we avoid a 1st round safety though.

DL, corner, or WR > Safety.

 

[America's Cowboy]

We wanted Earl Thomas because he is a playmaker.

I also wanted Minkah Fitzpatrick because I projected him as a playmaker.

I do not want Jamall Adams... Good football players but i'm not giving up a 1 for a position that has so little impact on football games.

Same goes for McKinney... I want an impact player with my 1st round pick and not some ho hum guy at that position.

If I have to have a safety then give me Delpit because I like his cover skills and potential as a playmaker.

I'm hoping we avoid a 1st round safety though.

DL, corner, or WR > Safety.

Then don't complain if Cowboys keep Heath.

 

[CATCH17]

Then don't complain if Cowboys keep Heath.

I never do. I'm fine with Heath.

Finding a standout NFL safety seems near impossible. Who are the great NFL Safeties? Like a small handful.

Adams is supposed to be the best SS but I don't think he means much in the overall outcome of a football game just like Jeff Heath usually isn't the reason we won or lost a game.

SS is the fullback of the secondary.

 

[beware_d-ware]

I never do. I'm fine with Heath.

Finding a standout NFL safety seems near impossible. Who are the great NFL Safeties? Like a small handful.

Adams is supposed to be the best SS but I don't think he means much in the overall outcome of a football game just like Jeff Heath usually isn't the reason we won or lost a game.

SS is the fullback of the secondary.

You've got a point. As it is now, you can get a decent SS almost anywhere and a good SS almost nowhere.

I was writing out a 2010s All-Decade Team post for another forum and ran into a problem. Who are your safeties? Earl Thomas is obviously first team FS, but who's the SS? Kam Chancellor maybe? Eric Berry? Jamal Adams already? Compare that to your options for all-decade WR for example - safety is an awfully thin group.

I think it's kind of a self-reinforcing problem. There's no good safeties because all your top "sprinter" type athletes either want to play WR or CB, because that's where the money's at. This means that most of your safeties are the guys who were both too slow to play corner and had too poor of hands to play receiver. You're not going to have a lot of impact players with those attributes. So the pay disparity stays, and all the good athletes keep flocking to WR and CB.

Heck, look at Jalen Ramsey. He was a top-notch SS at Florida State who switched to press corner his junior year in order to make more money in the pros. We're going to see here with the Rams in a few months, but I think he made the right decision.

I think the future of the position is the Honey Badger, Minkah Fitzpatrick types. Guys who have the range to center-field at safety will always be rare, but you'll see more average athletes or square-pegs getting trained as kind of these moveable chess pieces who can play anywhere on the back end. As they start making plays, they'll become more commonplace and teams will start making room for them on their rosters. Once there are starting jobs and money for these guys, premier college athletes will start training for safety and we'll see more studs.

 

[stilltheguru]

The jamal adams disrespect is as dumb as the Zeke disrespect. In what world is minkah better than Adams? Dude played good for a half a season and hes the greatest now. Please

 

[dallas72]

We wanted Earl Thomas because he is a playmaker.

I also wanted Minkah Fitzpatrick because I projected him as a playmaker.

I do not want Jamall Adams... Good football players but i'm not giving up a 1 for a position that has so little impact on football games.

Same goes for McKinney... I want an impact player with my 1st round pick and not some ho hum guy at that position.

If I have to have a safety then give me Delpit because I like his cover skills and potential as a playmaker.

I'm hoping we avoid a 1st round safety though.

DL, corner, or WR > Safety.

Obviously u didnt watch Delpit vs Alabama or Clemson...he was a GHOST ...the other LSU safety out played him....hesca product of the 2ndary ..Mo Claibourneish

 

[cnuball21]

The jamal adams disrespect is as dumb as the Zeke disrespect. In what world is minkah better than Adams? Dude played good for a half a season and hes the greatest now. Please

I don’t how you wouldn’t want a guy like Adams on your defense. He’s one of the few elite Safeties in football. He literally does everything.

 

[CATCH17]

Obviously u didnt watch Delpit vs Alabama or Clemson...he was a GHOST ...the other LSU safety out played him....hesca product of the 2ndary ..Mo Claibourneish

Yeah I watched it.. 1 game doesn’t really mean much to me.

Safety is not where I would go but if we must go safety I want Delpit.

 

[stilltheguru]

I don’t how you wouldn’t want a guy like Adams on your defense. He’s one of the few elite Safeties in football. He literally does everything.

People always overlook intangibles. Adams is a dog Minkah can only wish to be. Adams would be the captain of this d and the best one weve had since the super bowl years. That includes Sean Lee too for the Lee lovers. Bet Jaylon wouldnt play soft with Adams on the defense

 

[cnuball21]

People always overlook intangibles. Adams is a dog Minkah can only wish to be. Adams would be the captain of this d and the best one weve had since the super bowl years. That includes Sean Lee too for the Lee lovers. Bet Jaylon wouldnt play soft with Adams on the defense

He’s just so versatile. He’s so much more than a box / SS. Per PFF:

“This season, Adams spent significant snaps at free safety (297), in the box (401), in the slot (131), lined up out wide as a boundary corner (34) and even on the defensive line as a legitimate edge rusher (96), and he was one of the most effective defenders in the game. As a pass-rusher, he racked up 25 total pressures from 101 rushing snaps, by far the most pressure and the second-most rushing snaps of any safety. Adams' 2019 saw him produce 75 total tackles, seven passes defended, an interception and a career-high 6.5 sacks. In regard to PFF, Adams' overall grade of 88.2 for the 2019 season was the fifth-best safety mark handed out by the outlet. The 23-year-old defender was productive.”

 

[dallas72]

Yeah I watched it.. 1 game doesn’t really mean much to me.

Safety is not where I would go but if we must go safety I want Delpit.

Its 2 games...but he isnt that great ...read the profile on him CANT TACKLE do u want a S that cant tackle lol....