Demarco Murray Contract Talk

[Doomsday101]

How much is the running back franchise tag these days?

If it is based on the top 5 players then it is a lot Peterson $13,714,286, LeSean McCoy $9,000,000, Arian Foster $8,700,000, DeAngelo Williams $8,600,000 Matt Forte $7,600,000

 

[DFWJC]

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/average/running-back/limit-25/

I think Murray is more than a 3rd teir RB his yards per game is 5th in the NFL and is 4th in TD scored, his 5.1 per carry is tops amonst RB.

To me if you want talented players you pay them, if all you want is avg player who get low pay then cut our top player and bring in cheap players

Chiefs are getting a deal for Charles right now.

The Panthers are way overpaying Williams and Stewert

Murray at 4.5-5.0 per year is a possibility. Then again, I think it's fairly easy to find a RB in the draft...at least one close to Murray's abilities. The Peterson's of the world, well, that's another story altogether.

 

[scooper]

Well I wouldn't franchise him then lol

 

[daveferr33]

If we put every GM and you in a room.

Youd be the only one who wouldn't resign a Dez already on your roster.

I'm glad you don't have the keys to the kingdom.

You don't have to be unpleasant about disagreeing with my opinion do you?

Let me be clear, I am a big Dez fan. But I think he will command Calvin Johnson type money. If that is the case, I believe he will take up too much cap room and will hamper our continuing rebuild. I am also concerned about his recurring back issues.

I'd let this play out and possibly use the franchise tag on him. Let's see what Demaryius Thomas gets.

Again, I said I was leaning. I have not made my mind up yet. Why don't you explain to me why and when he should be resigned. I can be convinced.

 

[d_dub88]

It's the final year of his rookie deal, and this may be one of the tougher decisions the organization has had to make in a while. Murray is 26 years old, coming off his 1st Pro Bowl season, and was one of the most efficient RBs in the NFL last year with a YPC over 5. He seems to be a perfect fit for our zone run scheme and with the addition of Martin to an already impressive young OL, we should expect that trend to only be on the upswing.

A lot of people like to say RBs have become devalued in this league, as there hasn't been one selected in the 1st Round in the last two drafts (although the counter argument, which is probably just as valid, is there wasn't a stud RB in either of those drafts). The other argument is you can find good RBs later in the draft (although we seem to be one of the only teams that has trouble with that philosphy, as Murray become only the 2nd RB to top 1000 yards since E. Smith last did it for us, Julius Jones in 2006 was the other.)

I'd be happy to give Murray a 4-year/16-20mil type of contract, with incentives sprinkled in to make sure we protect ourselves. He's probably one of the top 5 players on this team and is still very young... when we use him effectively this is a different offense and we play our best football. I just don't think it's very easy to replace that type of talent if you let him walk, especially since we have nothing in-house that would be his successor... it would put pressure on the FO to draft for need fairly high in 2015.

I say pay him, he's still young, plays hungry and is a tempo setter.

If you think he'd sign for anything under 4yr/ 30mil you are dreaming. There are plenty of good teams looking for good backs and willing to pay more. JJ has to set up a contract with incentives/ de-escalators in it to protect the cap.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Jonathan Stewart signed a 5 year / $36.50 million contract with the Carolina Panthers, including a $9,000,000 signing bonus, $11,500,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $7,300,000.

Ray Rice signed a 5 year / $35 million contract with the Baltimore Ravens, including a $15,000,000 signing bonus, $15,000,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $7,000,000.

and these guys are not even in the top 5 in terms of pay.

To be fair, they could just as easily use the Stewart contract as a reason why Murray should sign a reasonable deal, perhaps even including an injury clause like they did with Sean Lee. Stewart and William's contracts have been a plague upon the Panther's salary Cap.

 

[Nightman]

Jonathan Stewart signed a 5 year / $36.50 million contract with the Carolina Panthers, including a $9,000,000 signing bonus, $11,500,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $7,300,000.

Ray Rice signed a 5 year / $35 million contract with the Baltimore Ravens, including a $15,000,000 signing bonus, $15,000,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $7,000,000.

and these guys are not even in the top 5 in terms of pay.

And they both regret doing so.

I would offer Murray a 3yr/10-12m deal max.

He can test the FA market if he thinks he can get more.

Ben Tate got 2yrs/5-6m as one of the top FAs this year.

 

[the_h0wey]

It's the final year of his rookie deal, and this may be one of the tougher decisions the organization has had to make in a while. Murray is 26 years old, coming off his 1st Pro Bowl season, and was one of the most efficient RBs in the NFL last year with a YPC over 5. He seems to be a perfect fit for our zone run scheme and with the addition of Martin to an already impressive young OL, we should expect that trend to only be on the upswing.

A lot of people like to say RBs have become devalued in this league, as there hasn't been one selected in the 1st Round in the last two drafts (although the counter argument, which is probably just as valid, is there wasn't a stud RB in either of those drafts). The other argument is you can find good RBs later in the draft (although we seem to be one of the only teams that has trouble with that philosphy, as Murray become only the 2nd RB to top 1000 yards since E. Smith last did it for us, Julius Jones in 2006 was the other.)

I'd be happy to give Murray a 4-year/16-20mil type of contract, with incentives sprinkled in to make sure we protect ourselves. He's probably one of the top 5 players on this team and is still very young... when we use him effectively this is a different offense and we play our best football. I just don't think it's very easy to replace that type of talent if you let him walk, especially since we have nothing in-house that would be his successor... it would put pressure on the FO to draft for need fairly high in 2015.

I say pay him, he's still young, plays hungry and is a tempo setter.

If you can get him for a reasonable deal then yes. If he wants top 5 RB money then no thanks see you later.

 

[Doomsday101]

And they both regret doing so.

I would offer Murray a 3yr/10-12m deal max.

He can test the FA market if he thinks he can get more.

Ben Tate got 2yrs/5-6m as one of the top FAs this year.

Ben Tate is not as productive either. Being a top FA and being a better player than Murray is not the same thing.

 

[Szczepanik]

So most of this board wants us to go back to the days of Troy Hambrick, lovely.

Pay the man what is possible without overdoing it on the cap.

Murray is a top 5 RB if utilized correctly.

 

[Vinnie2u]

So most of this board wants us to go back to the days of Troy Hambrick, lovely.

Pay the man what is possible without overdoing it on the cap.

Murray is a top 5 RB if utilized correctly.

No disrespect but this was the argument with Barber.. He got 45 million and that didn't turn out so well.. Unless a RB is elite just move on... With this line were building we don't need to over pay for a RB.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Ben Tate is not as productive either. Being a top FA and being a better player than Murray is not the same thing.

I would be willing to bet most GMs value Tate above Murray. Tate is younger, was drafted higher, and their production is basically a wash except for one guy lost major touches backing up Arian Foster (esp. In '11 and '12 ).

 

[Doomsday101]

I would be willing to bet most GMs value Tate above Murray. Tate is younger, was drafted higher, and their production is basically a wash except for one guy lost major touches backing up Arian Foster (esp. In '11 and '12 ).

Murray is 26 and Tate is 25 and where you got drafted does not mean jack.

 

[Joe Realist]

3 year deal with team option for 4th year, 4.5 million per year. Take it or leave it DeMarco.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Murray is 26 and Tate is 25 and where you got drafted does not mean jack.

It's a pretty good estimation of how two recently drafted players who have performed about the same were scouted. Only 13 picks, but still advantage Tate.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's a pretty good estimation of how two recently drafted players who have performed about the same were scouted. Only 13 picks, but still advantage Tate.

Blair Thomas was pick way ahead of Emmitt would you like to compare? Murray is faster and stronger than Tate, Tate is a decent back but when taking over the starting role last year when Foster went down he did not do anything. Advantage Murray

 

[Nightman]

Blair Thomas was pick way ahead of Emmitt would you like to compare? Murray is faster and stronger than Tate, Tate is a decent back but when taking over the starting role last year when Foster went down he did not do anything. Advantage Murray

He got injured and has produced very well when healthy, the same as DeMarco, hence the comparison.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Blair Thomas was pick way ahead of Emmitt would you like to compare? Murray is faster and stronger than Tate, Tate is a decent back but when taking over the starting role last year when Foster went down he did not do anything. Advantage Murray

Didn't do anything? He had a very respectable performance seeing as how he was on a 2-14 team with no quarterback. Murray's stats are bloated because of all of the weapons we have in the pass game. When we needed to lean on Murray in the last game with a backup QB, that's when you saw someone not do anything... unless you count fumbling. There is no distinguishable difference. Certainly not enough to pay Murray a nickel more than Tate.

 

[Nation]

Anything in the double-digits in terms of guaranteed millions is a see-ya-later conversation for me. Plenty of talent available at running back next year (Gurley, Gordon, Davis) in the 2nd day of the draft.

 

[Doomsday101]

Didn't do anything? He had a very respectable performance seeing as how he was on a 2-14 team with no quarterback. Murray's stats are bloated because of all of the weapons we have in the pass game. When we needed to lean on Murray in the last game with a backup QB, that's when you saw someone not do anything... unless you count fumbling. There is no distinguishable difference. Certainly not enough to pay Murray a nickel more than Tate.

Murray stats are bloated? LOL That is funny