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Say whaaatttt? Bet that don't get discussed no matter how true it is.

Of course not. This is more people playing a form of fantasy football/Madden and not them thinking about what they just saw in 2014 from this team and this player.

Oooh, look at me, I think like a GM.
 

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Yes, it makes sense. I am more in line with the window of opportunity. Because what is after Romo? Nothing. This team has not positioned themselves well for a post Romo world. And with his age and his health, that window is finite, even if we cannot see or know when the end will come.

To that I want experience and a gamer. I do not trust Randall at all. I rewatched the second Eagles game. When Randall came in he dashed off as really nice 12 yard run. People - and not saying you, but some - hang into those runs as if they are common place for him. But he also had two runs that were reminiscent of Julius Jones where he was indecisive and got caught being either too patient, or just couldn't make up his mind. Will that go away with reps? Maybe. But there is so much unknown about him which is known about Murray.

And if nothing else, Hos, you are a character guy and Murray has that in spades.

I understand the cap hit. But I also understand the window. Other teams focused on Emmitt, and while Murray is not Emmitt, he is a great deal closer than anything this franchise has seen since Emmitt.

The opportunity is now in my mind.
My biggest gripe about 1996 to 2003 was that we did not get ready for post Aikman. Like you, I see that happening again, and I'm not real thrilled by it. Granted, we do not have to face it yet, but it is closer than ever after another season gone. I am very big on drafting a QB high this year. The guy I like the most will go too high for my tastes, but Bryce Petty would suit me fine in the 3rd. I'd like to see more of Buaghan, but less of Weeden. That's just me.

I am a character guy. You know that as great as I admit Irvin was, I am not his biggest fan because of the off the field stuff. Murray is by far the most attractive solution to me, and largely because of exactly that. But I don't want to pay twice as much for his good character either. Not in a year flooded with RB options. If the best we could hope for was a Julius Jones I'd be more willing to pony up. As I mentioned Abdullah is considered a great character guy. I think he could put up 1100 yards or better here. That kind of production on a rookie contract appeals to me.

I think I am most intrigued by Coleman because of his speed. Maybe even more than Gurley.

If we see Murray as the opportunity we can't let go then we need to pay him to stay and bite the bullet on other things that money could do to improve the team. If we win it all, and I honestly do think we have to be the top contender if we have a good Draft and Free Agency, then it is worth every dime and I will never whine. But if we pay him a lot, can't sign a FA DE or DT because of it, and end up losing because we can't pressure a QB, he'd be hung in effigy despite that high character.

It is a Catch 22 and I don't mean Emmitt. You're right, he is no Emmitt. He's damned good though.
 

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My biggest gripe about 1996 to 2003 was that we did not get ready for post Aikman. Like you, I see that happening again, and I'm not real thrilled by it. Granted, we do not have to face it yet, but it is closer than ever after another season gone. I am very big on drafting a QB high this year. The guy I like the most will go too high for my tastes, but Bryce Petty would suit me fine in the 3rd. I'd like to see more of Buaghan, but less of Weeden. That's just me.

I am a character guy. You know that as great as I admit Irvin was, I am not his biggest fan because of the off the field stuff. Murray is by far the most attractive solution to me, and largely because of exactly that. But I don't want to pay twice as much for his good character either. Not in a year flooded with RB options. If the best we could hope for was a Julius Jones I'd be more willing to pony up. As I mentioned Abdullah is considered a great character guy. I think he could put up 1100 yards or better here. That kind of production on a rookie contract appeals to me.

I think I am most intrigued by Coleman because of his speed. Maybe even more than Gurley.

If we see Murray as the opportunity we can't let go then we need to pay him to stay and bite the bullet on other things that money could do to improve the team. If we win it all, and I honestly do think we have to be the top contender if we have a good Draft and Free Agency, then it is worth every dime and I will never whine. But if we pay him a lot, can't sign a FA DE or DT because of it, and end up losing because we can't pressure a QB, he'd be hung in effigy despite that high character.

It is a Catch 22 and I don't mean Emmitt. You're right, he is no Emmitt. He's damned good though.

Murray is not irreplaceable in my eyes. To be sure.

But...

I see nothing in the character of Randall that makes me want to do cartwheels. And I have now watched a few games where he stepped in. He did something worthwhile in some runs. But I see Julius Jones in his decision making at the line if there is no distinct hole. I don't seem him barrel ahead and push a pile of big sweaty men past the line of scrimmage for a positive yard. I see him more dance around and get caught behind. I also question his decision making in the pass protection game.

Nothing behind him is intriguing to me at all for some of the same reasons. Feast, then famine after famine. And once their speed is not a change of pace, defenses will focus on them.

Drafting has an upside. But it also has a learning curve. So while there is a potential for finding a replacement, how long before that guy can do all the muddy work Murray does? Late 2015? Maybe even mid 2016?

And since we seem to agree the team has painted themselves into a Romo corner, when does that ticking time bomb explode?

We all have to live with the decisions they make. Right or wrong. But my opinion is, you restructure as needed, sign Murray and Dez to cap friendly first two years, sign Free, and use the draft to create a pass rush.

I would investigate Cromartie if he hits the FA market as a replacement for Carr. But pass rush is paramount over cornerbacks, unless you can ship Carr to Siberia and get a competent player for less. Then focus on the defensive line that will create a pass defense. I have been screaming about a defensive line and how it makes everything behind better to the point I wore a sig on this site that said, "No pass rush, no pass defense" for eighteen months.

But, an offense that can post 29 ppg lends to improving the defense. Because you can allow Marinelli to work his magic on lesser drafted players since you can score like a Boss. The defensive improvement to a top 12 is within reach without breaking the bank or getting malcontents like Suh or Fairley and paying a King's ransom.

This team could be in the NFC championship game this next year with the right moves. Shipping off a play maker isn't one of them in my mind. We can discuss how my mind works or doesn't anytime we have a moment.
 

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I'm not trying to offend you. I would never question anyone's fandom. I was just trying to figure out where you were coming from. I can't believe you would not believe that team chemistry is not important. It could be the most important part of a teams success . I won't waste the time with the hundreds of examples I could give. A team gelling, coming together, having a brotherhood/sisterhood, having the ultimate camaraderie is usually the difference between having a good team and having a great team. A championship, or even dynasty are often won, and made because of how close a team is. Ask any of the members of our great teams in Cowboys history and you will always find one common theme, family, friendship, and team chemistry.
 

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I'm not trying to offend you. I would never question anyone's fandom. I was just trying to figure out where you were coming from. I can't believe you would not believe that team chemistry is not important. It could be the most important part of a teams success . I won't waste the time with the hundreds of examples I could give. A team gelling, coming together, having a brotherhood/sisterhood, having the ultimate camaraderie is usually the difference between having a good team and having a great team. A championship, or even dynasty are often won, and made because of how close a team is. Ask any of the members of our great teams in Cowboys history and you will always find one common theme, family, friendship, and team chemistry.

What I meant to convey is that Team Chemistry isn't something that magically carries over from one season to the next or is inherently lost because you lose a guy.

We have a culture and leadership that can easily withstand the loss of a Murray.

And we only talk about the great chemistry of this team because they won games. Nobody viewed Murray as the heart and sole of this team preseason.

If Murray were to leave and we came back next year and started 6-1....trust me... Nobody will be saying we did it despite lousy chemistry.
 

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What I meant to convey is that Team Chemistry isn't something that magically carries over from one season to the next or is inherently lost because you lose a guy.

We have a culture and leadership that can easily withstand the loss of a Murray.

And we only talk about the great chemistry of this team because they won games. Nobody viewed Murray as the heart and sole of this team preseason.

If Murray were to leave and we came back next year and started 6-1....trust me... Nobody will be saying we did it despite lousy chemistry.

What will Dallas not signing DM say to the rest of the team about management? You don't think it will play a part in other guys signing or not? This all plays a part of how well a team sticks together and ultimately plays. DM is a team leader on and off the field. A great team isn't a team only between August and December. A great team is a team from February to February. Again, on and off the field...
 

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What will Dallas not signing DM say to the rest of the team about management? You don't think it will play a part in other guys signing or not? This all plays a part of how well a team sticks together and ultimately plays. DM is a team leader on and off the field. A great team isn't a team only between August and December. A great team is a team from February to February. Again, on and off the field...

No I don't think it will mean anything in the locker room. The players know Jerry is loyal. The players know it's also a business.

For example team chemistry didn't appear to be messes up when we let beloved locker room guys like Miles and Ware go this past offseason.
 

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No I don't think it will mean anything in the locker room. The players know Jerry is loyal. The players know it's also a business.

For example team chemistry didn't appear to be messes up when we let beloved locker room guys like Miles and Ware go this past offseason.

This could prove my point. I don't think Miles and Demarcus were as big of parts in the locker room like guys like DM and Dez are now. It's no coincidence that once the real leadership stepped up, and the culture changed, that we had a better year.
 

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Made the season. Killed the season - back to his careless ways - no way you can't consider that fumble careless.
 

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This could prove my point. I don't think Miles and Demarcus were as big of parts in the locker room like guys like DM and Dez are now. It's no coincidence that once the real leadership stepped up, and the culture changed, that we had a better year.

We had a better year after years investing in the offensive line.

Ware was a leader by example which is valuable despite what revisionists want us to believe.
 

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We had a better year after years investing in the offensive line.

Ware was a leader by example which is valuable despite what revisionists want us to believe.

When was Ware ever considered a leader? Great player, calm and quiet as a church mouse. Emotionless.
 

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Like I've mentioned before this is the kind of play that defines a team, defines a post-season. You don't pay THAT top dollar. Not when 15 other backs that are available hit that hole and get 6.
 

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Like I've mentioned before this is the kind of play that defines a team, defines a post-season. You don't pay THAT top dollar. Not when 15 other backs that are available hit that hole and get 6.

And will never fumble in an NFL game for the rest of their careers. Great rb's never fumble, great qb's never throw picks, great OL never allow a pass rush, great DL never get get blocked, great kickers never miss a fg, etc.
 
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