DeMarcus Ware Is Going to Be Great This Year

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Did anybody besides me think he must have been off sides on that one rush where Peyton barely got rid of it before he arrived? I kept thinking, no way he's that fast. Well, if you replay it, yes he is. If I were a QB going against Dallas I'd be very scared if I see much film of his jump. The only guy I've ever seen as fast or faster was Bruce Smith in his prime.

When help arrives in the form of the rest of the defense being comfortable with what they are doing, Ware is going to be a force to be reckoned with.
 

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I've been surprised at the absence of Ware talk on the board today. I thought his speed was very evident in the game last night. Didn't always result in a tackle, pressure or sack but it was evident the guy will be a force.

Frankly, he reminded me of watching Haley who even when he got stoned by the OL you could tell they had their hands more than full trying to control him.
 

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Hostile;1583047 said:
Did anybody besides me think he must have been off sides on that one rush where Peyton barely got rid of it before he arrived? I kept thinking, no way he's that fast. Well, if you replay it, yes he is. If I were a QB going against Dallas I'd be very scared if I see much film of his jump. The only guy I've ever seen as fast or faster was Bruce Smith in his prime.

When help arrives in the form of the rest of the defense being comfortable with what they are doing, Ware is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

Absolutely. Factor in Hos, that it was the first game in the heat, against a no huddle no less, and you can imagine what this guy is going to be bringing this year.

I really do expect a monster season from him. And not just sacks. He's so athletic as to be LT-type disruptive.
 

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I agree.

What's more, Phillips didn't even try to disguise when Ware was rushing. You could see both Manning and Sorgi pointing Ware out as the blitzer to their OL.

You don't disguise things in the pre-season, because you don't want to give much away. That'll change once the games start counting. Ware could have a huge year.
 

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Hostile;1583047 said:
Did anybody besides me think he must have been off sides on that one rush where Peyton barely got rid of it before he arrived? I kept thinking, no way he's that fast. Well, if you replay it, yes he is. If I were a QB going against Dallas I'd be very scared if I see much film of his jump. The only guy I've ever seen as fast or faster was Bruce Smith in his prime.

When help arrives in the form of the rest of the defense being comfortable with what they are doing, Ware is going to be a force to be reckoned with.


Haley was fast like that when he was young too. Decon was lickety-split fast like that. Decon was probably quicker and I know that's hard to believe but it's true. Everybody thinks it was all head slap with that guy but he was ultra quick out of his stance. By the time that head slap came, he was by you and three yards down field. He was very quick.
 

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CoCo;1583278 said:
I've been surprised at the absence of Ware talk on the board today. I thought his speed was very evident in the game last night. Didn't always result in a tackle, pressure or sack but it was evident the guy will be a force.

Frankly, he reminded me of watching Haley who even when he got stoned by the OL you could tell they had their hands more than full trying to control him.

The speed is the same as last year and the year before. That isn't what has kept him from being a true monster, so I don't understand why you think it suddenly will make him a true monster.

If he is to become the true monster many believe he will be, it will because he learns to use more than his speed - he learns to use leverage and different moves and hand movements ........ the speed has always been there, but those are the things that can put him over the top.

ABQCOWBOY;1583323 said:
Haley was fast like that when he was young too. Decon was lickety-split fast like that. Decon was probably quicker and I know that's hard to believe but it's true. Everybody thinks it was all head slap with that guy but he was ultra quick out of his stance. By the time that head slap came, he was by you and three yards down field. He was very quick.

Again, it wasn't just pure speed with Deacon (and it's kind of silly to claim Deacon was slapping OT's in the head after he was 3 yards past them). Yes Deacon and Haley were very quick, but they used different moves, had great instincts, used their hands well, attacked in a variety of ways - THAT'S what Ware needs to develop if he hopes to be discussed in the same breath with those guys.
 
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Hostile;1583047 said:
Did anybody besides me think he must have been off sides on that one rush where Peyton barely got rid of it before he arrived? I kept thinking, no way he's that fast. Well, if you replay it, yes he is. If I were a QB going against Dallas I'd be very scared if I see much film of his jump. The only guy I've ever seen as fast or faster was Bruce Smith in his prime.

When help arrives in the form of the rest of the defense being comfortable with what they are doing, Ware is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

Dude I had to rewind it myself....:laugh2: I could not believe how quick and explosive this guy is! If Anthony Spencer joins in on the party then look out NFL!
 

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Stautner;1583336 said:
The speed is the same as last year and the year before. That isn't what has kept him from being a true monster, so I don't understand why you think it suddenly will make him a true monster.

If he is to become the true monster many believe he will be, it will because he learns to use more than his speed - he learns to use leverage and different moves and hand movements ........ the speed has always been there, but those are the things that can put him over the top.



Again, it wasn't just pure speed with Deacon (and it's kind of silly to claim Deacon was slapping OT's in the head after he was 3 yards past them). Yes Deacon and Haley were very quick, but they used different moves, had great instincts, used their hands well, attacked in a variety of ways - THAT'S what Ware needs to develop if he hopes to be discussed in the same breath with those guys.


I agree, it would be silly to think he was reaching back to deliver a head slap once he was by his man, which begs the question, how could you come to that conclusion? Obviously, I was saying that the slap would come and by the time the OL could recover from it, he was three yards down field. I'm sorry if I was unclear about this.
 

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Hostile;1583047 said:
Did anybody besides me think he must have been off sides on that one rush where Peyton barely got rid of it before he arrived? I kept thinking, no way he's that fast. Well, if you replay it, yes he is. If I were a QB going against Dallas I'd be very scared if I see much film of his jump. The only guy I've ever seen as fast or faster was Bruce Smith in his prime.

When help arrives in the form of the rest of the defense being comfortable with what they are doing, Ware is going to be a force to be reckoned with.


IMO he's the fastest off the line in the NFL with the exception of maybe Freeney.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1583352 said:
I agree, it would be silly to think he was reaching back to deliver a head slap once he was by his man, which begs the question, how could you come to that conclusion? Obviously, I was saying that the slap would come and by the time the OL could recover from it, he was three yards down field. I'm sorry if I was unclear about this.

No problem - I probably should have just left that part of your comment alone and took it the way you meant it.

But as for the primary point of my thread, even though we both agree that the head slap wasn't Deacon's only asset, I think we both agree that it was a tactic in addition to the speed that helped make him great. That's what I think Ware needs to develop - other tactics.
 

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Stautner;1583359 said:
No problem - I probably should have just left that part of your comment alone and took it the way you meant it.

But as for the primary point of my thread, even though we both agree that the head slap wasn't Deacon's only asset, I think we both agree that it was a tactic in addition to the speed that helped make him great. That's what I think Ware needs to develop - other tactics.


I agree the slap was a huge part of his advantage, but talk to guys like Conrad Dobler and they'll tell ya the OLman back then had a few tricks of their own they could only dream of getting away with today;)
 

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I think much like Jeff Ireland that ware is closer to Derrick thomas than any of the other great pass rushers. He moves a litte like him and he is sort of build like him.

Ware is our best player. He was moving all over last night and they were not doing anything but playing one on one vanilla d.

Spencer didnt have any numbers last night but he looked pretty good to me.

Jason ferguson played well last night also and no one is talking about that, but that is to be expected.

Carpenter looked good in the few blitzes he ran last night also. He had a big part of the tipped int for td. That was a zone blitz ( as said by keith davis after the game) carpenter came up to the line right before the snap next to obomese and i think ratliff, cant remember who was on the line, but carpenter drew the blockers and obomese was free to make a play.
 

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Big Dakota;1583368 said:
I agree the slap was a huge part of his advantage, but talk to guys like Conrad Dobler and they'll tell ya the OLman back then had a few tricks of their own they could only dream of getting away with today;)


That is the truth. We can see that with Eric Williams - the hands to the face penalty was created to stop one of his favorite tactics.

Still, if Ware can learn to more effectively use leverage and incorporate more moves he can turn the corner from a good pass rusher to a great one.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1583342 said:
Dude I had to rewind it myself....:laugh2: I could not believe how quick and explosive this guy is! If Anthony Spencer joins in on the party then look out NFL!
I swear, Ugoh was coming up out of his stance and had turn almost clear around to get to Ware who was already even with him and almost behind him.

I thought he had to be off sides, but he wasn't.
 

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Big Dakota;1583382 said:
I like the Thomas comparison.


Jeff Ireland had him studying tape of Derrick Thomas all last year. Ware said it pumped him up to watch him and be compared to him.
 

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theebs;1583373 said:
I think much like Jeff Ireland that ware is closer to Derrick thomas than any of the other great pass rushers. He moves a litte like him and he is sort of build like him.

Ware is our best player. He was moving all over last night and they were not doing anything but playing one on one vanilla d.

Spencer didnt have any numbers last night but he looked pretty good to me.

Jason ferguson played well last night also and no one is talking about that, but that is to be expected.

Carpenter looked good in the few blitzes he ran last night also. He had a big part of the tipped int for td. That was a zone blitz ( as said by keith davis after the game) carpenter came up to the line right before the snap next to obomese and i think ratliff, cant remember who was on the line, but carpenter drew the blockers and obomese was free to make a play.


Thanks for the re-cap, especially as it relates to our scheming. Can anybody provide some key differences between the defensive approach in this game to last year? What key differences stood out, even though this was a vanilla scheme? For example, was their more movement at the defensive line?
 

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Stautner;1583359 said:
No problem - I probably should have just left that part of your comment alone and took it the way you meant it.

But as for the primary point of my thread, even though we both agree that the head slap wasn't Deacon's only asset, I think we both agree that it was a tactic in addition to the speed that helped make him great. That's what I think Ware needs to develop - other tactics.


I do agree with you 100%. If Ware can learn to use his hands a bit better, he is going to be the best Rusher we've ever had and that's saying something.
 

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It didnt look like Ware got to play more than a series and a half. Can't wait to see him during the course of an entire game.
 
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