Depth is a major problem

[dbair1967]

I guess we're gonna call up 1-800-CB and 1-800-oline after the draft?

What does this question even mean? Dumb dum dum dum dum

what the hell does this mean? are we not going to be allowed to pick tomorrow? will we not sign any rookie free agents? will we somehow be forbidden to sign any veteran free agents?

seriously dude...we've had two picks and picked two highly rated players....both are gonna play extensive roles this yr...quit the damn bellyaching

and oh, why would we need to call 1-800 CB? Did Newman, Jenkins and Scandrick clean out their lockers today?

 

[gbrittain]

I know Jerry said we are not hostage to any position. and they proved it with round 1.

But, once you do that, you gotta fill holes.

When has it become wrong to question the administration? I mean, they obviously have made tons of mistakes before (see 1996--2004 and then again 2009)...

I think they think we don't need any position, but I'm pretty sure most GMs would say we are crazy, especially at DB. Most people play 4-5 CBs and we have 3!!! Come on!!!

You bring up an excellent point. Do you think we were drafting poorly because Dallas kept drafting really good players but at the wrong positions of need, or Dallas was drafting needs and letting better players slide?

Since no one knows for sure how any picks from Sam Bradford to Mr. Irrelevant will turn out, I would much rather draft the player that is most likely to succeed than to draft a player that is more likely to fail but fills an area of need.

A legitimate debate is how good will Sean Lee? Only time will tell.

 

[ejthedj]

what the hell does this mean? are we not going to be allowed to pick tomorrow? will we not sign any rookie free agents? will we somehow be forbidden to sign any veteran free agents?

seriously dude...we've had two picks and picked two highly rated players....both are gonna play extensive roles this yr...quit the damn bellyaching

and oh, why would we need to call 1-800 CB? Did Newman, Jenkins and Scandrick clean out their lockers today?

Did you even read the original post? It's about depth... 3 CBs is not enough. 4 play regularly. One injury and we are screwed. It's a passing league!

Plus, the Oline depth. Our oline was already ranked 26th in pass protection and we downgraded, added no depth, and are again one injury from season-ending catastrophe.

I am not one to panic. I am an optimist. But end of 4th round picks cannot be counted on in year one. And even if they fill one spot with it, we still are missing out at two other positions. End of 6th is def not something to rely on.

What veteran free agents? Not gonna happen...

Undrafted free agents are always such great players their first year, too.

Honestly, Carp was a serviceable backup for one more year. We took someone to replace him. We acted like our draft picks were a luxury. We will regret it.

 

[ejthedj]

You bring up an excellent point. Do you think we were drafting poorly because Dallas kept drafting really good players but at the wrong positions of need, or Dallas was drafting needs and letting better players slide?

Since no one knows for sure how any picks from Sam Bradford to Mr. Irrelevant will turn out, I would much rather draft the player that is most likely to succeed than to draft a player that is more likely to fail but fills an area of need.

A legitimate debate is how good will Sean Lee? Only time will tell.

No, this is why you take similarly rated players at positions of need rather than just strictly BPA. It's a violent league. You can't act like we have the luxury of taking a guy rated a few spots higher when we have major depth issues at other spots. Especially when Lee does not look like anything special. Just another "solid" at best Penn State LBer. Not a playmaker, not a hall of famer. We got too cute.

 

[Irvinite]

I'll take a top 40 player over a jag db or olinemen every time (which was basically all there was at that pic)..

 

[MWILL]

At two positions.

Oline:
We have NINE guys on the roster, one was an UDFA last year. Our backups are all garbage or unknowns.
Free, Kosier, Gurode, Davis, Columbo, Proctor, McQ, Brewster, Bright

Just look at those backups... they are trash (except maybe Brewster). One injury and our season is over

Defensive Backs

CB: Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick
S: Ball, Hamlin, Sensy, Watkins

I like Ball... but we have 3 CBs! One backup safety who might be decent (but was a 5th last year and showed nothing in regular season, also ws slow in 40 time).

Again, one CB or Safety injury and we are screwed.

Even if you love Sean Lee, how can you feel good about this? There's really nobody in free agency.

I hate this... I loved Dez pick but now I think we have a repeat of 2008, where injuries sink a promising year.

Dude, the offseason is not even completed.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I like our draft somewhat but you gotta fill depth on your roster. You can take one non-need pick but not back to back.

Plus, Lee is no guarantee. His video and athletcism looks sub par.

You keep harping on Lee's supposed lack of athleticism yet he posted better times than McClain almost across the board....he drew DI basketball interest in high school....

 

[dbair1967]

Did you even read the original post? It's about depth... 3 CBs is not enough. 4 play regularly. One injury and we are screwed. It's a passing league!

Plus, the Oline depth. Our oline was already ranked 26th in pass protection and we downgraded, added no depth, and are again one injury from season-ending catastrophe.

I am not one to panic. I am an optimist. But end of 4th round picks cannot be counted on in year one. And even if they fill one spot with it, we still are missing out at two other positions. End of 6th is def not something to rely on.

What veteran free agents? Not gonna happen...

Undrafted free agents are always such great players their first year, too.

Honestly, Carp was a serviceable backup for one more year. We took someone to replace him. We acted like our draft picks were a luxury. We will regret it.

your posts in this thread indicate otherwise

you are crying about nothing...the draft isnt even over...we have at least 3 picks tomorrow...we may trade a couple guys to get more...we are one of the best teams in the league when it comes to finding keepers via rookie free agents...there are and will be veterans available between now and the regular season start

 

[Rampage]

You keep harping on Lee's supposed lack of athleticism yet he posted better times than McClain almost across the board....he drew DI basketball interest in high school....

game film>40 times and crap like that.

 

[Chuck 54]

At two positions.

Oline:
We have NINE guys on the roster, one was an UDFA last year. Our backups are all garbage or unknowns.
Free, Kosier, Gurode, Davis, Columbo, Proctor, McQ, Brewster, Bright Proctor is a decent backup to Gurode..we've won games with him playing..he just sucks at OG...Brewster was rated higher than some of the guys people wanted to draft this year...he's an excellent pass blocker and probably suited to RT...we just need to find another OG, but we weren't going to keep the ship afloat with developmental rookie linemen at the bottom of round 2 in the event of an injury...I think we'd prefer veteran backups at this point.

Just look at those backups... they are trash (except maybe Brewster). One injury and our season is over

Defensive Backs

CB: Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick
S: Ball, Hamlin, Sensy, Watkins
Ball can play CB or safey...so can Scandrick...Watkins plays both S spots when called upon...I'm sure we'll add depth, but again, you're probably better off with a veteran who's been on an NFL field before or with a physical CB who drops in the draft rather than the lower-tier safeties...after you get past the real playmakers at S, you're basically looking at DB's who weren't good enough to play CB...just because they're the 4th, 5th, or 6th best safety doesn't really mean they're going to make it in the NFL...you see more CBs who switch to S in the NFL, imo.
I like Ball... but we have 3 CBs! One backup safety who might be decent (but was a 5th last year and showed nothing in regular season, also ws slow in 40 time).

Again, one CB or Safety injury and we are screwed.

Even if you love Sean Lee, how can you feel good about this? There's really nobody in free agency.

I hate this... I loved Dez pick but now I think we have a repeat of 2008, where injuries sink a promising year.

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[Rampage]

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Proctor is even worse at center. go back and watch the last 2 games of 07.

 

[gbrittain]

No, this is why you take similarly rated players at positions of need rather than just strictly BPA. It's a violent league.

You can't act like we have the luxury of taking a guy rated a few spots higher

when we have major depth issues at other spots. Especially when Lee does not look like anything special. Just another "solid" at best Penn State LBer. Not a playmaker, not a hall of famer. We got too cute.

Ok...maybe, if what you said is true. Just because you say it does not make it so.

You could ultimately be right, I get that. If you are right though, it won't be because you are some draft genius, it will be more a product of you had a 50/50 chance of being right.

You don't know and I don't know for sure. Even the team with the best draft this year when looking back 10 years down the road from now will have multiple busted picks.

 

[Chuck 54]

Proctor is even worse at center. go back and watch the last 2 games of 07.

2007?

Are you actually serious...you do realize this is 2010, and we have won games with him at center...he's going to be the backup there again this year. There's a reason they are paying him some pretty big bucks for a guy who can only fill in temporarily...they are comfortable with him.

 

[ejthedj]

Ok...maybe, if what you said is true. Just because you say it does not make it so.

You could ultimately be right, I get that. If you are right though, it won't be because you are some draft genius, it will be more a product of you had a 50/50 chance of being right.

You don't know and I don't know for sure. Even the team with the best draft this year when looking back 10 years down the road from now will have multiple busted picks.

Ok, we'll have to agree to disagree. It may work out. I don't hate the Lee pick, and we may get lucky on the injury front next year.

But if I was a GM with Superbowl aspirations, I would not put all my eggs in the basket of 'no injuries to Oline or DBs"

Lee doesn't seem that great to me that you take that risk. I hope I am wrong and he is a 10 year starter, ocassional pro bowler. But I doubt it.

Burnett is not JAG. The oline Brown, Ducasse are not JAGs. Not moreso than Lee. It's too risky and you're lying to yourself if you can't see the risk, and if you don't think maybe just a little bit that Jerry got too cute

 

[gbrittain]

Ok, we'll have to agree to disagree. It may work out. I don't hate the Lee pick, and we may get lucky on the injury front next year.

But if I was a GM with Superbowl aspirations, I would not put all my eggs in the basket of 'no injuries to Oline or DBs"

Lee doesn't seem that great to me that you take that risk. I hope I am wrong and he is a 10 year starter, ocassional pro bowler. But I doubt it.

Burnett is not JAG. The oline Brown, Ducasse are not JAGs. Not moreso than Lee. It's too risky and you're lying to yourself if you can't see the risk, and if you don't think maybe just a little bit that Jerry got too cute

Every player is a risk for one reason or another. In my opinion the only time you can criticize a team heavily is when there is a clear reach. I don't think anyone is claiming Sean Lee is a reach.

Probably would not have been my first choice, but certainly when considering Sean Lee is not considered a reach I am going to have to trust our scouting department over my opinion or yours.

Don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion and since this is a message board I enjoy the debate.

 

[big dog cowboy]

We acted like our draft picks were a luxury.

Listen to Jerry's press conference. You will realize how wrong you are.

Lee's rankings:

Goose had him at 38.

GBN had him at 51.

Kiper had him at 47

PFW had him at 37

Gil Brandt had him in Tier 5 (41-50)

We got him at 55

 

[ejthedj]

I am listening... and Jerry just admitted it.

He said he is really worried about injury on our Oline.

It all starts and ends with the Oline. How we didn't learn this after the Minnesota debacle I will never know.

Maybe they had Lee rated that high, but Jerry always lies about this stuff.
And I don't buy it. What I have seen, he looks average at best. Probably the same guys who rated Lee rated Carp. We need new ILB scouts

 

[ejthedj]

Listen to Jerry's press conference. You will realize how wrong you are.

Lee's rankings:

Goose had him at 38.

GBN had him at 51.

Kiper had him at 47

PFW had him at 37

Gil Brandt had him in Tier 5 (41-50)

We got him at 55

And people had Brown in top 30 across the board. We coulda had him without trading a fourth!

 

[resident gator]

Ball can play CB or safey...so can Scandrick...Watkins plays both S spots when called upon...

False, false, and false. We've got nothing at safety.

Scandrick doesn't have the ball skills or tackling ability to play safety. He's got solid man coverage skills and athleticism so he's developing into a solid corner, but he doesn't translate to a ball-hawking safety.

Allen Ball hasn't shown anything. If you think he's a starter on any other team, you're as bad of a talent evaluator as Jerry Jones is. Sharply overestimating the talent already on the roster is his M.O. This is why we felt we had no needs heading into the draft.

Watkins has been gift-wrapped the starting job on several occasions, but he's consistently fooled in coverage. He's just a dumb player that plays well on special teams.

Morgan Burnett would've been outstanding in the 2nd.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Burnett is not JAG. The oline Brown, Ducasse are not JAGs. Not moreso than Lee. It's too risky and you're lying to yourself if you can't see the risk, and if you don't think maybe just a little bit that Jerry got too cute

They are not JAG, but neither are they ready to start in the NFL - they are projects. If Dallas had to rely on either on for substantial playing time this year, the season is already lost. The backups we currently have would be better stopgaps for 2010.