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ThreeSportStar80;1456391 said:
!!!MAN CRUSH ALERT!!!
Derrick Burgess??
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oh and to answer the question this thread poses: I would absolutely give a 3rd and 6th round pick for this guy he would TEAR IT UP! on the other side of ware we would have two automatic 10 sack guys for the next 5 years.
I would even give up a 2nd and a 7th rounder for him if thats what they wanted.
I would even give up a 2nd and a 7th rounder for him if thats what they wanted.
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Jarvis Moss will be lucky to get 6 sacks a year until he add some strength. There are place kickers stronger than him.
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InmanRoshi;1456687 said:
Haha i dont' think we would take him but he definitly has some sure upside assuming he can put on some weight in his first year as a pro
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trust me guys, we dont want to trade for him,
if you guys remember, any time al davis gets wind of a player that the cowboys are interested in, al davis raises the asking price really high, sure jerry jones and al davis are friends, but al davis every time rips us for extra draft picks.
just like in the draft, if its a guy that al davis is sure the cowboys want, and davis picks ahead of us, in rounds after 3rd, or so, davis will draft that guy.
example is there was a running back, fullback that we wanted, jimmy johnson, and davis made us pay for 3 years in a row draft picks.
then, rememmber when we drafted hershel walker way back when in fifth round i think, Al Davis said, never again willl the cowboys draft that kinda of guy before us, from now on, i will draft that kinda guy before the cowboys.
so trust me guys, unless that guy olb/de creates such a stink, and really ticks off davis and head coach, then davis will never let him go cheap to us.
remember when we got john gesek and cant think of his name right now, oh yeah dale hellastrae, davis said again, never again, the cowboys will have to pay dearly to get a player from me.
so again, unless its real cheap and a stink, i would say no, because the asking price for him would be too high, especially for the cowboys
if you guys remember, any time al davis gets wind of a player that the cowboys are interested in, al davis raises the asking price really high, sure jerry jones and al davis are friends, but al davis every time rips us for extra draft picks.
just like in the draft, if its a guy that al davis is sure the cowboys want, and davis picks ahead of us, in rounds after 3rd, or so, davis will draft that guy.
example is there was a running back, fullback that we wanted, jimmy johnson, and davis made us pay for 3 years in a row draft picks.
then, rememmber when we drafted hershel walker way back when in fifth round i think, Al Davis said, never again willl the cowboys draft that kinda of guy before us, from now on, i will draft that kinda guy before the cowboys.
so trust me guys, unless that guy olb/de creates such a stink, and really ticks off davis and head coach, then davis will never let him go cheap to us.
remember when we got john gesek and cant think of his name right now, oh yeah dale hellastrae, davis said again, never again, the cowboys will have to pay dearly to get a player from me.
so again, unless its real cheap and a stink, i would say no, because the asking price for him would be too high, especially for the cowboys
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cowboyjoe;1456691 said:
Yea like when we got Coleman for a 6th round pick a real rip off !!
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Here's more on his situation:
Contract contraversy between Burgess, Raiders?
Ray Aspuria/The Times-Standard
Article Launched: 04/14/2007 04:27:00 AM PDT
To be an Oakland Raider you've got to be extremely fast, physically gifted, have a penchant for violence and last, but not least -- you never, ever complain about money.
While the rumor hasn't been substantiated, NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports Derrick Burgess' absence from Oakland's voluntary minicamp was due to a contract issue.
More specifically, Schefter said a holdout is imminent.
Usually news like this would be classified under wild and rampant rumors, but more often than not, Schefter is right on with his reports.
However the minicamps are voluntary and other key notables missing were Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, Sebastian Janikowski and Shane Lechler.
So is there any venom within this viper of a rumor?
If there is, I've got one thing to say to Burgess -- Don't make this thing public.
Raiders' owner Al Davis hates when things get filtered out to the media, especially contract squabbles. The organization likes to keep money issues private, and going public may make it worse.
Case in point: Marcus Allen.
Remember what happened? Well if you don't, here's a quick synopsis.
Oakland offered Allen a contract which they say would have made him the highest paid running back of the
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time. Unfortunately for the Raiders, Allen turned down the contract, talked to a few reporters about it, and bang!
He spent three years of his prime on the bench and was never the same.
Nothing raises the ire of Davis more than seeing one of his players quoted complaining about the money or lack thereof.
If Burgess wants to handle this thing correctly, let your agent speak with the organization privately and when negotiations are finalized, then let the media in on how much you are now making.
There have been only two Raiders who have had success in similar situations -- Rich Gannon and Tim Brown.
Both had contract disputes and while Brown handled it in a more private manner, Gannon held out of mandatory minicamps.
But both got what they wanted. A large part of their success was due to their performance on the field.
Which brings us back to Burgess.
For the past two years, he has collected more sacks than any other defensive end with 27. That is 1 1/2 more than the Dolphin's Jason Taylor.
The contract Burgess signed on arrival to Oakland was lucrative at the time, but with all the money being thrown around this year, he's got a substantial claim to get a pay raise.
Want more proof?
Patrick Kerney recently inked a six-year, $39.5 million deal, which guarantees him $19.5 million with the Seahawks. Burgess on the other hand signed a five-year, $15 million contract, far less than what Kerney, who hasn't had the production Burgess, has. Oakland would be wise to make sure their best pass-rushing defensive lineman gets his pay raise and is locked in for a long time to come.
And Burgess would be equally as wise to keep quiet, if he hopes to see the money.
Extra points: Former Denver offensive lineman Cooper Carlisle agreed to a two year, $4.4 million contract on Friday. While he only started 95 games for the Broncos (he has a penchant for injuries), his knowledge of the cut-blocking scheme Oakland hopes to install bodes well. He may claim a starting spot as a guard. You don't pay someone that kind of money to sit on the bench... There were reports LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell arrived in Alameda on Friday for a pre-draft meeting with Oakland. Schefter said Davis is enamored with Russell while others on the staff are equally in love with Calvin Johnson. Davis always has the final call and barring anything unexpected, Russell appears to be Oakland's No. 1 selection come draft day.
http://www.times-standard.com/sports/ci_5668117
Contract contraversy between Burgess, Raiders?
Ray Aspuria/The Times-Standard
Article Launched: 04/14/2007 04:27:00 AM PDT
To be an Oakland Raider you've got to be extremely fast, physically gifted, have a penchant for violence and last, but not least -- you never, ever complain about money.
While the rumor hasn't been substantiated, NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports Derrick Burgess' absence from Oakland's voluntary minicamp was due to a contract issue.
More specifically, Schefter said a holdout is imminent.
Usually news like this would be classified under wild and rampant rumors, but more often than not, Schefter is right on with his reports.
However the minicamps are voluntary and other key notables missing were Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, Sebastian Janikowski and Shane Lechler.
So is there any venom within this viper of a rumor?
If there is, I've got one thing to say to Burgess -- Don't make this thing public.
Raiders' owner Al Davis hates when things get filtered out to the media, especially contract squabbles. The organization likes to keep money issues private, and going public may make it worse.
Case in point: Marcus Allen.
Remember what happened? Well if you don't, here's a quick synopsis.
Oakland offered Allen a contract which they say would have made him the highest paid running back of the
Advertisement
time. Unfortunately for the Raiders, Allen turned down the contract, talked to a few reporters about it, and bang!
He spent three years of his prime on the bench and was never the same.
Nothing raises the ire of Davis more than seeing one of his players quoted complaining about the money or lack thereof.
If Burgess wants to handle this thing correctly, let your agent speak with the organization privately and when negotiations are finalized, then let the media in on how much you are now making.
There have been only two Raiders who have had success in similar situations -- Rich Gannon and Tim Brown.
Both had contract disputes and while Brown handled it in a more private manner, Gannon held out of mandatory minicamps.
But both got what they wanted. A large part of their success was due to their performance on the field.
Which brings us back to Burgess.
For the past two years, he has collected more sacks than any other defensive end with 27. That is 1 1/2 more than the Dolphin's Jason Taylor.
The contract Burgess signed on arrival to Oakland was lucrative at the time, but with all the money being thrown around this year, he's got a substantial claim to get a pay raise.
Want more proof?
Patrick Kerney recently inked a six-year, $39.5 million deal, which guarantees him $19.5 million with the Seahawks. Burgess on the other hand signed a five-year, $15 million contract, far less than what Kerney, who hasn't had the production Burgess, has. Oakland would be wise to make sure their best pass-rushing defensive lineman gets his pay raise and is locked in for a long time to come.
And Burgess would be equally as wise to keep quiet, if he hopes to see the money.
Extra points: Former Denver offensive lineman Cooper Carlisle agreed to a two year, $4.4 million contract on Friday. While he only started 95 games for the Broncos (he has a penchant for injuries), his knowledge of the cut-blocking scheme Oakland hopes to install bodes well. He may claim a starting spot as a guard. You don't pay someone that kind of money to sit on the bench... There were reports LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell arrived in Alameda on Friday for a pre-draft meeting with Oakland. Schefter said Davis is enamored with Russell while others on the staff are equally in love with Calvin Johnson. Davis always has the final call and barring anything unexpected, Russell appears to be Oakland's No. 1 selection come draft day.
http://www.times-standard.com/sports/ci_5668117
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Future 585;1456600 said:
He is not an OLB for Oakland. I don't even know if Oakland even uses 3-4 formations with any regularity. He had 16 sacks as a backup and starter at defensive end in 2005.
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I'm pretty sure that Ryan used primarily a 4-3 in 2005 as well. I couldn't see Burgess ever being that good in coverage, and he's best used in a 4-3.InmanRoshi;1456521 said:
As far as why Philly let him go - he was always injured and never productive in Philly. Sometimes a change of scenery helps, or a player just comes on suddenly. Kind of like Cornelius Griffin. I think Michael Lewis is going to have a big year in San Fran, but I don't think he would have if he stayed in Philly. Sometimes a player needs to feel slighted in order to be motivated.