Derrick Henry vs Ezekiel Elliott

[quickccc]

You're missing the whole point of this post. NOBODY is saying Zeke is running like he did in 2016. He's not, that's fact, just look at the stats.
What they're complaining about is that he no longer does it, and therefore they're upset at what he's getting paid. But he was paid based MOSTLY on what he had done before the contract extension - 2 rushing titles, average well over 1,200 yards a year (extrapolating his season with the 6 game suspension), blocking skills, etc. and also on what you could expect, based on his previous years, to do the same or similar in the next few years. If you don't think, as Sydia and a few others have, that you NEVER pay that kind of money to a running back, then what he's doing now makes no difference, he was "behind the 9 ball" from the get-go, no matter what he did he shouldn't have been paid.

No he's not doing as well as Henry is, this year, and maybe the year before. But IT DOESN'T MATTER, he got the extension, that's not changing.

If you've given up on Zeke, fine, that's your view. But if he returns to form next year, with Smith and Collins back alone, even if nothing else changes, don't come here lauding him, because you didn't give him a chance. If he doesn't return to form, then I'll be the first to say you were all right. I just choose not to ignore other factors involved in his performance and complain about things that we can't do anything about...

Yes, It does indeed matter that Zeke is Not near up to Henry’s performance or level,-.. because that’s what we drafted him 4th overall for.
yes, It does indeed matter because of what ZKE displayed and demonstrated his impact in the offense and on the entire NFL world… in his first 2 years .

- It does matter about what kind of player he is, can better be, or continues to become because he is much invested into, ..but we’ve seen declining players with mega contracts get cut here
-the latest being Dez Bryant.
We take the big cap hit but we move on to another chapter with the RB, and the move to acquire new one …just as we did with moving on from the chapter of the lead WR, and acquiring
a new one in place.

- The big difference is I believe Zeke can be salvaged, resurrected in the same sense and conditioned that sought to bulk him bigger and re-set him as a bell cow RB.
Vs Dez Bryant who was never a prolific route runner so in terms of footwork and gaining separation, he had nothing else to turn to.

- But as for giving on zeke, that’s when your mistaken again. I’ve long been lobbying issue to not only do I believe what had to happen- for Zeke to have lost his once feared burst.
But I have also been long lobbying to how and what needs to be done to get the improvement and return of 2016 Zeke.
I’m Not into these agendas and biases, and whether some believe a RB is never warranted being drafted that high up in 1st rd, is how they want to view it ….vs what I believe.

 

[charron]

I'll take zeke in the 1st 3 years and henry after. Actually with the Ol that we used to have good back would have looked great.

 

[tyke1doe]

More butthurt in this thread than a proctologists office.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I'm going to take a lot of heat for this.

But aside from the fumbles I'm not disappointed with Zeke. I'm disappointed with how little the Cowboys are using him (ten carries last Thursday!).

If you pay a running back $90 million, get the ball in his hands. How many games has Dallas won the time of possession battle this year? With the defense as horrible as it is; the Cowboys should've played more "keep away" football in 2020. I don't care if Zeke is only getting two or three yards per carry behind a backup line; you still need to make defenses honor the threat of the run. Or else the QB's are toast with this poor pass protection.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Yes, It does indeed matter that Zeke is Not near up to Henry’s performance or level,-.. because that’s what we drafted him 4th overall for.

They're on two different teams, comparing one runner to another isn't something you can do very well, there's blocking, scheme, play calling, etc. all involved.

And why all the griping about Zeke? Can we do anything, anything at all, about it? Nope, I can see where the frustration with losing focuses on players that are very visible, but like I said, Zeke could be running much better, fumbling less, and it's not going to make this team a contender...

 

[quickccc]

They're on two different teams, comparing one runner to another isn't something you can do very well, there's blocking, scheme, play calling, etc. all involved.

And why all the griping about Zeke? Can we do anything, anything at all, about it? Nope, I can see where the frustration with losing focuses on players that are very visible, but like I said, Zeke could be running much better, fumbling less, and it's not going to make this team a contender...

it's not Titans fault that we don't have coaches that place our players in best position to exceed, that's number 3 on the zeke issues. But it's about what is in Zeke's powers that he could
have changed.

and i'll say this again … if you're seeing Pollard pop off 20 and 40+ breakaway runs, with this very same scheme, coaches, OL, play calling as you're mentioning, then we should have been
seeing Zeke having his own share of 20 and 40+ breakaway runs too. That's why we had him so highly rated by draft time, that's why we drafted No.4 overall,. yes that's why we paid him as
highest RB also. Zeke has to handle what is in his control to be.

Since entering the NFL and entrenched into a starting role, Henry hasn't lost any of the burst that enables him the game breaking big plays we're seeing...
Since entering the NFL and entrenched into a starting role, after 2 years , Zeke HAS lost the burst that used to enable him to break big plays that we used to see

" Why all the gripe about Zeke " ?
Zeke is supposed to be a cornerstone part of this franchise ..period. He was supposed to be the lead big time factor that spearheads our success on offense ..in wins.
When you've invested so much in a player and he's not producing on his part- it's gonna make headlines. When you see other big name backs making splash and impacting
changing the games the way a Derrick Henry and Nick Chubb are doing, ..while we see former NFL rush champ struggling and on the decline.

 

[jsb357]

Henry is still hungry...

Zeke be all fatenhappy

 

[CouchCoach]

Henry is running great but I do not believe his style would be great with Moore’s offense.

One thing TEN has figured out, how to get the best out of their talent and put them in win situations. They've proven that with their QB and RB.

Vrabel was a great hire because he understands the concept of "team" as well as his mentor does. And he's able to convey that to his players as well as Belichick does.

 

[starfan1]

One thing TEN has figured out, how to get the best out of their talent and put them in win situations. They've proven that with their QB and RB.

Vrabel was a great hire because he understands the concept of "team" as well as his mentor does. And he's able to convey that to his players as well as Belichick does.

you're not wrong!! good post

 

[Playmaker3128]

I'm going to take a lot of heat for this.

But aside from the fumbles I'm not disappointed with Zeke. I'm disappointed with how little the Cowboys are using him (ten carries last Thursday!).

If you pay a running back $90 million, get the ball in his hands. How many games has Dallas won the time of possession battle this year? With the defense as horrible as it is; the Cowboys should've played more "keep away" football in 2020. I don't care if Zeke is only getting two or three yards per carry behind a backup line; you still need to make defenses honor the threat of the run. Or else the QB's are toast with this poor pass protection.

I also don’t get it. He’s coming off a game where he had 20 plus carries against minnesota. First half in a close game against the skins you give him 5? Why?

That’s the same thing garret used to do.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

What a L this is becoming for us. Against one of the best defenses in the league too...

The biggest diff is that Henry is a stud. Elliott is a dud.

 

[8FOR!3]

If every team wasn't somewhat wrong about Derrick Henry, he wouldn't have fallen to the 2nd round. It's not like Zeke has been a career bust. Zeke's 5th season in he's having the first bad year of his career. Far too many turnovers and inconsistencies this year, for sure. But he'll still rush for 1,000+ yards and between 5-10 TDs.

 

[Bullflop]

I'd trade Ezekiel Elliott for Derrick Henry in a New York minute. Zeke lacks both the power and the speed of Henry. It's a no-brainer.

 

[Big_D]

I'd trade Ezekiel Elliott for Derrick Henry in a New York minute. Zeke lacks both the power and the speed of Henry. It's a no-brainer.

There is no straight up trade here which tells you all you need to know. Zeke for Henry .. Tennessee would laugh at that. You can’t even take that trade scenario seriously at this point.

 

[G2]

I'm going to take a lot of heat for this.

But aside from the fumbles I'm not disappointed with Zeke. I'm disappointed with how little the Cowboys are using him (ten carries last Thursday!).

If you pay a running back $90 million, get the ball in his hands. How many games has Dallas won the time of possession battle this year? With the defense as horrible as it is; the Cowboys should've played more "keep away" football in 2020. I don't care if Zeke is only getting two or three yards per carry behind a backup line; you still need to make defenses honor the threat of the run. Or else the QB's are toast with this poor pass protection.

10 carries is ridiculous.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Unpopular opinion by me.. Even as someone who was anti pay Zeke.. I still think Zeke is better than Henry even though currently Henry is clearly better.

Here's an honest question. How do We...with our eyes...OR stats...decide who is "better".

Our eyes lie.; Some thought Zeke fumbled from thin air last week. Until it was show the ball punched out. Not excusing it....gotta hold the rock.

Stats? Pure stats don't say. Some "haters" say Zeke was never the best because he had more carries. (those same people give Dak the win with his injury...how ironic).

How to stay "objective"...yet still be a supportive "fan". IS there any such thing? Seems to me there's a pretty fine "zone" in between and most either can't or decide not to. Pick which is the most healthy.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

There is no straight up trade here which tells you all you need to know. Zeke for Henry .. Tennessee would laugh at that. You can’t even take that trade scenario seriously at this point.

So "even trades" are SO popular in the NFL. Come on man.

I bet Derrick would get blasted and injured HERE. So much for a trade.

 

[Big_D]

So "even trades" are SO popular in the NFL. Come on man.

I bet Derrick would get blasted and injured HERE. So much for a trade.

the popularity of the trade doesn’t matter. These 2 players are not equal.

 

[CATCH17]

Here's an honest question. How do We...with our eyes...OR stats...decide who is "better".

Our eyes lie.; Some thought Zeke fumbled from thin air last week. Until it was show the ball punched out. Not excusing it....gotta hold the rock.

Stats? Pure stats don't say. Some "haters" say Zeke was never the best because he had more carries. (those same people give Dak the win with his injury...how ironic).

How to stay "objective"...yet still be a supportive "fan". IS there any such thing? Seems to me there's a pretty fine "zone" in between and most either can't or decide not to. Pick which is the most healthy.

For me.. Zeke has more dynamics to his game.. He has agility.. He can move around between the tackles.. He can run with power. Zeke’s just a more talented runner by a lot.

Henry has very little agility.. He’s not making great cuts or jukes or anything like that.. When he put his foot in the dirt and cuts up field is when he is great. But you gotta get his big arse up to top speed.


Henry is better right now from a production standpoint and Zeke’s best days may be behind him.

We’ve gone almost 2 years now without seeing Zeke hit a homerun.

 

[Big_D]

For me.. Zeke has more dynamics to his game.. He has agility.. He can move around between the tackles.. He can run with power. Zeke’s just a more talented runner by a lot.

Henry has very little agility.. He’s not making great cuts or jukes or anything like that.. When he put his foot in the dirt and cuts up field is when he is great. But you gotta get his big arse up to top speed.


Henry is better right now from a production standpoint and Zeke’s best days may be behind him.

We’ve gone almost 2 years now without seeing Zeke hit a homerun.

he doesn’t hit home runs and Henry hits them all the time. Saying zeke is better or more talented by a lot at anything is ridiculous. Just searching. Never seen a player more overrated than Elliott. He was drafted to be great. He’s not, never will be. Meanwhile in Tennessee that’s what a great RB looks like in year 5 Not peaking in year 1 and still waiting to match it. The more they force feed a guy with zero home run ability, the worse this team will be until they actually wise up to it. He has to go!