Desean Jackson...

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AMERICAS_FAN;3039766 said:
Crayton is better in the slot.

Dude, Crayton is excellent in the slot but Desean would have given this team a healthy Felix Jones at the WR position.

I'm sorry but the guy is a freak. He's unreal.
 

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Biggems;3039764 said:
the kid has superb talent and ability, no doubt....unfortunately he is a "LOOK AT ME" type of player. no thank you.

Oh, and I doubt he changes...he was that way in HS, at the Army All-America Game, at Cal, and now in Philly.

Oh I have no doubt he has talent. But i'm not sure what's going on in his head.
 

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Biggems;3039749 said:
the same Jackson who prematurely celebrated a TD against us last season and placed the ball at the one yard line.....almost costing his team 7 points. Lucky for him, both our safeties were too stupid to merely go pick up the ball and start running.

Pacman picked it up. Best play he made as a Cowboy. Too bad it didnt matter it was blown dead.
 

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If Jenkins turns into the corner that it looks like he's turning into, I'd take him any day of the week over a Jackson. A small fast wideout or a top notch corner? I'd imagine most GMs would choose the corner.
 

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RainMan;3039745 said:
True, but you also need to draft players that fit the system you run. For instance, the last thing we would ever draft is a defensive end shaped like Dwight Freeney (granted, a guy like him can switch positions in our scheme, but hopefully my point isn't lost). I don't think it's wrong for teams to draft players whose skill sets fit what they do.

Does a DeSean Jackson type do what we want out of our receivers? I can't see why he couldn't, especially since Terry Glenn once played here, but maybe there's a reason we want a certain body type?

This is exactly the WR we will draft next year. Look out for Golden Tate, Mardy Gilyard, and Jacoby Ford
 

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Ozzu;3039774 said:
If Jenkins turns into the corner that it looks like he's turning into, I'd take him any day of the week over a Jackson. A small fast wideout or a top notch corner? I'd imagine most GMs would choose the corner.
Post of the day.
 

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RainMan;3039707 said:
Well, RB was a pretty huge need this time last year. There was no way we could enter a season with only Choice behind Barber. We didn't know if Choice would be any good, and we didn't really know what Barber was either. We absolutely needed a pick like Felix.

And I think the same argument could be made at corner. There's a reason we stockpiled corners last offseason (Jenkins, Scandrick, Pacman). We needed them badly.

Yes, we needed a receiver like what DeSean Jackson has turned out to be. We could also used any number of other players, too. A safety, an offensive lineman, maybe another pass rusher.

Unfortuantely, we didn't have three or four first round picks. All in all, no complains on my end -- even though, yes, Jackson is a much better player than I imagined.

Felix (1st round) and Tashard (4th round) were BOTH taken by the Cowboys in the same 2008 draft. So, if anything, Tashard (not Felix) would have been 'Plan B'.

Now, if Felix can just stay off the trainers table for an extended period - the Cowboys may well have the most potent backfield in the league. He brings a certain 'fear factor' for D coordinators that kinda opens things up for the rest of our offense. But I love elements of Tashard's game, too - plus he appears to be a durable workhorse type but with more 'shimmy' than the bruising (and lately oft-bruised) Barbarian.
 

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Ozzu;3039774 said:
If Jenkins turns into the corner that it looks like he's turning into, I'd take him any day of the week over a Jackson. A small fast wideout or a top notch corner? I'd imagine most GMs would choose the corner.

IMO, a real good corner is almost as valuable as a quarterback. And WRs as light as Jackson usually encounter durability issues - I like the aggressive way Jenkins is responding at this point in his sophomore season. You can just see his confidence growing with each game. He could be a good one for years.
 

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SuspectCorner;3039797 said:
IMO, a real good corner is almost as valuable as a quarterback. And WRs as light as Jackson usually encounter durability issues - I like the aggressive way Jenkins is responding at this point in his sophomore season. You can just see his confidence growing with each game. He could be a good one for years.

I agree. Im no John Glenn w/ psychology, but the look on his face was like "Yea, Im having fun kicking *** right now".

No reason he cant be a top 5 CB.
 

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Jenkins a top 5 corner in this league..

That would be awesome and I would take that over Desean all day.

We'll just draft a fast shifty WR this year.
 

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SLATEmosphere;3039802 said:
Jenkins a top 5 corner in this league..

That would be awesome and I would take that over Desean all day.

We'll just draft a fast shifty WR this year.

Miles Austin is making a believer outta me - and that young man looks surprisingly strong for his size (not that he's slight at 6'3") when in contact with DBs, usually swatting them away like mosquitoes. So I'm more concerned about finally drafting a good tackle prospect instead of having to shop free agency. We just seem cursed when it comes to drafting O-lineman the better part of the last decade (Andre aside). Flo flat sucks half the time... and half sucks the rest.
 

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When the eagles are on our 5 yard line on 4th and goal to win the game and Jackson practically gets jammed out of bounds by our stronger taller corners then out hopped for the ball McFlabb throws up, they'll probably realize that the ability to outrun defenders doesn't mean much, especially when playing physical teams that can play zone coverage well.
 

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SuspectCorner;3039811 said:
Miles Austin is making a believer outta me - and that young man looks surprisingly strong for his size (not that he's slight at 6'3") when in contact with DBs, usually swatting them away like mosquitoes. So I'm more concerned about finally drafting a good tackle prospect instead of having to shop free agency. We just seem cursed when it comes to drafting O-lineman the better part of the last decade (Andre aside). Flo flat sucks half the time... and half sucks the rest.

I wouldn't lose any sleep if we drafted a LT in the first next year. It's a deep class. Hopefully we can get a Gilyard(Desean clone) in the 2nd.
 

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SLATEmosphere;3039819 said:
I wouldn't lose any sleep if we drafted a LT in the first next year. It's a deep class. Hopefully we can get a Gilyard(Desean clone) in the 2nd.

Those proven LTs sure can be expensive in FA... it's probly easier to draft a good WR. But speed guys who can run crisp routes and actually catch the ball are no piece of cake either.

IMO, the lion's share of 'fliers' don't seem willing to work hard to improve and just figure they'll make it on natural ability. 'You can't coach speed' is a truism - unfortunately it takes more than speed alone and most burners either aren't willing to commit to develop the other tools - or just flat don't have them.
 

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SuspectCorner;3039836 said:
Those proven LTs sure can be expensive in FA... it's probly easier to draft a good WR. But speed guys who can run crisp routes and actually catch the ball are no piece of cake either.

IMO, the lion's share of 'fliers' don't seem willing to work hard to improve and just figure they'll make it on natural ability. 'You can't coach speed' is a truism - unfortunately it takes more than speed alone and most burners either aren't willing to commit to develop the other tools - or just flat don't have them.

Mardy Gilyard is way more polished than Desean Jackson at receiver coming out of college...the thing with Jackson was always his home run hitting and that's all he's been doing and kudos. Gilyard is way more of a savvy receiver but honestly probably not quite the home runner that Jackson is...but he's still pretty damn fast and would be an unbelievable pickup for us, i'm convinced Gilyard is the real deal.
 

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speedkilz88;3039688 said:
Dude, the Cowboys drafted Felix Jones and Mike Jenkins in the first round that year. Then got Martellus Bennett in the second after all the wrs went.

I really liked Jackson a lot coming out in the Draft, but it is hard to complain with what Dallas got with the picks. It is obvious that all three of those players are going to pan out as great picks. I wouldn't have been upset if DeSean were drafted here, but I am certainly not upset with what we got over DeSean either.
 

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Actually, I don't believe that you can make a past-tense comparison with D-Jax and what transpired in the draft. Take Reggie Bush for example ...and how he practically slept through last year ...but look at him now, contributing to his 6-0 team's winning way. Sometimes it may take a while for some player to matuyrate into what we call play-makers ...and sometimes they hit the ground running!

Depending upon the team's playbook and whether the team is running the wildcat or Westcoast offense, etc., a player could be hard pressed to show his full potential. Even D-Jax came to the Eagles as more of a running back than a wide receiver. Coaching staff has a lot to do with finding the full potential of a rookie as he develops into a bonifide legitimate "play-maker!"

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SLATEmosphere;3039819 said:
I wouldn't lose any sleep if we drafted a LT in the first next year. It's a deep class. Hopefully we can get a Gilyard(Desean clone) in the 2nd.

...works out for us I would have to put a heavy weight in the LT basket. If not, there are plenty of other needs and lot's of best players available.

First on the shopping list would be a LT IMO.
 

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dadymat;3039756 said:
just another fast moron playing football....i wouldnt want him on our team...he is too small.....he is too stupid ...and he is an Eagle so get off his jock
I certainly hope this is jealousy talking. Djax showed his skills on MNF and I'm sure every mouth was gaping wide open watching that first TD. Say what you will...I'm grateful he's an Eagle.

Biggems;3039764 said:
the kid has superb talent and ability, no doubt....unfortunately he is a "LOOK AT ME" type of player. no thank you.

Oh, and I doubt he changes...he was that way in HS, at the Army All-America Game, at Cal, and now in Philly.
Not really. He's a very excitable player...he loves playing football and gets overly excited when he makes a big play. I see nothing wrong in that. In fact, I LOVED the TD flip into a split move LOL. And last year, after he scored a TD, he chest-bumped Reid on the sideline cause he was that excited...Reid wasn't too happy about it but it cracked me up! Reid paid some nice compliments to Djax after the game Monday...it seems he is finally embracing the kids enthusiasm.

Hoofbite;3039768 said:
Dude, Crayton is excellent in the slot but Desean would have given this team a healthy Felix Jones at the WR position.

I'm sorry but the guy is a freak. He's unreal.
LMAO! I feel the same way!!
 

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amuze;3039699 said:
I hear you and completely agree that The Cat and Jenx were good 1st round pickups. But in terms of needs, I think the great route running WR + punt returner combo was a bigger need for us than another RB. Yes, 84 ran a punt back for a TD yesterday, but anyone in the stands like myself could taken that to the house with the opening he had. Kudos to the ST... Crayton was gifted that TD.

Is he a great route runner? He is a dynamic player. I don't think he is a finished product as a receiver. He has room to develop as far as a receiver as do most 1st and 2nd year wide receivers do. He will really become a threat when he picks up all the nuances of the receiver position, which will come with time.

I would not call him a freak. There have been plenty of guys with his combination of small stature, quickness and speed that made big plays in the NFL. A good thing for any team to have, but to me a freak to me is someone who is much bigger and still has really good speed and quickness. There have been fewer of those types of guys in the NFL.

Jackson would have been a good addition to Dallas, but it is not as if they completely missed on their first two picks.
 
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