Detroit's passing offense | 2004 - 2007

[DallasEast]

Stat haters beware. The following snapshots illustrates both Roy Williams' and his teammates' productivity in the Lions' offense during his first four seasons in Detroit:

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* Missed two games

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* Missed three games

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* Missed four games

 

[Whiskey Cowboy]

Looks good to me. The guy is gonna be a TD machine

 

[masomenos]

So, just going off of averages here, it wouldn't be unheard of for Roy to catch 18.5% of Romo's completions, 25.25% of his yards and 38.5% of his TDs.

Based on Romo's career per game averages, and assuming both players stay healthy, that would put Roy's stats somewhere around...

63 catches
1094 yards
17.4 YPC
12-13 TDs

That actually seems fairly reasonable.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Good job DallasEast, thanks for the info.


I think Roy is really going to have a good season this year!!!

 

[AKATheRake]

So, just going off of averages here, it wouldn't be unheard of for Roy to catch 18.5% of Romo's completions, 25.25% of his yards and 38.5% of his TDs.

Based on Romo's career per game averages, and assuming both players stay healthy, that would put Roy's stats somewhere around...

63 catches
1094 yards
17.4 YPC
12-13 TDs

That actually seems fairly reasonable.

Awesome post!!! The OP was awesome too!!!

 

[tunahelper]

Check out #11 first down %'s. He looks like a chain mover.

 

[adbutcher]

So, just going off of averages here, it wouldn't be unheard of for Roy to catch 18.5% of Romo's completions, 25.25% of his yards and 38.5% of his TDs.

Based on Romo's career per game averages, and assuming both players stay healthy, that would put Roy's stats somewhere around...

63 catches
1094 yards
17.4 YPC
12-13 TDs

That actually seems fairly reasonable.

I hope your assumptions holds true. If it does that would give us the perfect receiving threat to compliment our new focus on the run game.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Great OP DallasEast.

 

[Apollo Creed]

So, just going off of averages here, it wouldn't be unheard of for Roy to catch 18.5% of Romo's completions, 25.25% of his yards and 38.5% of his TDs.

Based on Romo's career per game averages, and assuming both players stay healthy, that would put Roy's stats somewhere around...

63 catches
1094 yards
17.4 YPC
12-13 TDs

That actually seems fairly reasonable.

Thats pretty lofty expectations for a guy that had 10 catches for 189 yards and 1 TD in 10 games last year.

 

[THUMPER]

Thats pretty lofty expectations for a guy that had 10 catches for 189 yards and 1 TD in 10 games last year.

If that had been his only season in the league, or typical for him then I might agree. With Owens gone Roy will be targeted much more often and his production will increase accordingly.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

So, just going off of averages here, it wouldn't be unheard of for Roy to catch 18.5% of Romo's completions, 25.25% of his yards and 38.5% of his TDs.

Based on Romo's career per game averages, and assuming both players stay healthy, that would put Roy's stats somewhere around...

63 catches
1094 yards
17.4 YPC
12-13 TDs

That actually seems fairly reasonable.

HA HA! It does? Apparently you weren't one of the dudes who just complained that Owens was losing a step, and wasn't a threat anymore, cause he only had 69 catches for a little over 1,000 yards and 10 TDs.

Roy could average those numbers for the next 8 years in Dallas and I'll bet anything there will be a huge group of people coming around here saying he isn't productive and that he sucks.


That said I'd be quite happy with those stats to go along with what Witten, Jones, Bennett, Crayton, Choice, and Barber will add ot the passing game as well. Not to mention what Miles might add as well.

 

[DallasEast]

What I wanted to do with this thread was show that, even though the offense lost a Hall of Fame bound number one wide receiver, his replacement is a very good wide receiver also. With the other weapons in this offense's arsenal, that's really all he has to be.

As shown in previous seasons, the only really legitimate concern to have about Roy Williams as a player and teammate is the greater likelihood that he will miss several games during to injury. That's it.

Regardless of what naysayers wish to imply or outright state, he didn't suddenly become a washed out bum overnight after his trade from Detroit. He had to become accustomed to a brand new playbook at midseason. At some point, he was playing with an injury and trying to compensate for it. He didn't get a lot of work in with his equally injured quarterback.

Are these all excuses? Of course they are. Are they valid ones? Yep, but only for 2008.

This season, he will have ample time to learn the playbook. There isn't any reason to believe that he won't, since he's already proven that he can in Detroit. Likewise, he should have plenty of time to get on the same page with his quarterback, so the timing will be much better between the two than last season when the opportunities for improvement between both players were more limited. Again, the only true question mark is an injury which takes him out of the lineup.

The bottom line? If Roy Williams is healthy, Dallas plugged the number one receiver position well-enough that offensive success will not drain out of that one hole. Or, in other words, good enough.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

What I wanted to do with this thread was show that, even though the offense lost a Hall of Fame bound number one wide receiver, his replacement is a very good wide receiver also. With the other weapons in this offense's arsenal, that's really all he has to be.

As shown in previous seasons, the only really legitimate concern to have about Roy Williams as a player and teammate is the greater likelihood that he will miss several games during to injury. That's it.

Regardless of what naysayers wish to imply or outright state, he didn't suddenly become a washed out bum overnight after his trade from Detroit. He had to become accustomed to a brand new playbook at midseason. At some point, he was playing with an injury and trying to compensate for it. He didn't get a lot of work in with his equally injured quarterback.

Are these all excuses? Of course they are. Are they valid ones? Yep, but only for 2008.

This season, he will have ample time to learn the playbook. There isn't any reason to believe that he won't, since he's already proven that he can in Detroit. Likewise, he should have plenty of time to get on the same page with his quarterback, so the timing will be much better between the two than last season when the opportunities for improvement between both players were more limited. Again, the only true question mark is an injury which takes him out of the lineup.

The bottom line? If Roy Williams is healthy, Dallas plugged the number one receiver position well-enough that offensive success will not drain out of that one hole. Or, in other words, good enough.

Don't let good enough be good enough. Just joking, DallasEast. Great post.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Thread is full of the same old excuses. He will be healthy next year, he will know the playbook next year, he will have time to work with Romo, he will get more looks now that Owens is gone, he catches everything, etc.

Everything I've seen out of Roy Williams since Texas has suggested to me three things. He can't stay healthy, he isn't a very hard worker, and he isn't that bright. Our offense may be complicated if you're a RB, and you have to worry about picking up the blitz. But he is a WR, and he looked lost all season long.

I would love to be proven wrong, but people usually back Roy up with 'stats'. But we've said this before, anything he did in Detroit is a product of a wide-open passing system, that was always playing from behind - and throwing the ball vertically down the field. His stats are inflated and if you go pop up one of his 'highlight' videos, look at the scores in all those games.

The best games he has had in his career, ironically - were against us. When we decided to try to cover him with Aaron Glenn in the red zone.

 

[DallasEast]

Thread is full of the same old excuses. He will be healthy next year, he will know the playbook next year, he will have time to work with Romo, he will get more looks now that Owens is gone, he catches everything, etc.

Everything I've seen out of Roy Williams since Texas has suggested to me three things. He can't stay healthy, he isn't a very hard worker, and he isn't that bright. Our offense may be complicated if you're a RB, and you have to worry about picking up the blitz. But he is a WR, and he looked lost all season long.

I would love to be proven wrong, but people usually back Roy up with 'stats'. But we've said this before, anything he did in Detroit is a product of a wide-open passing system, that was always playing from behind - and throwing the ball vertically down the field. His stats are inflated and if you go pop up one of his 'highlight' videos, look at the scores in all those games.

The best games he has had in his career, ironically - were against us. When we decided to try to cover him with Aaron Glenn in the red zone.

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[Boyzmamacita]

Thread is full of the same old excuses. He will be healthy next year, he will know the playbook next year, he will have time to work with Romo, he will get more looks now that Owens is gone, he catches everything, etc.

Everything I've seen out of Roy Williams since Texas has suggested to me three things. He can't stay healthy, he isn't a very hard worker, and he isn't that bright. Our offense may be complicated if you're a RB, and you have to worry about picking up the blitz. But he is a WR, and he looked lost all season long.

I would love to be proven wrong, but people usually back Roy up with 'stats'. But we've said this before, anything he did in Detroit is a product of a wide-open passing system, that was always playing from behind - and throwing the ball vertically down the field. His stats are inflated and if you go pop up one of his 'highlight' videos, look at the scores in all those games.

The best games he has had in his career, ironically - were against us. When we decided to try to cover him with Aaron Glenn in the red zone.

I agree Detroit was behind all the time when Roy was there. But why does Calvin Johnson get a pass in all this? Weren't the Lions behind when he was making plays too? Hell, they were 0-16, but Calvin gets his props (like Roy used to). This isn't to put Calvin Johnson down, just to shed the light on the logic people use when discussing Roy's production.

 

[viman96]

Many seem to focus on Roy's numbers last year and do not look at the entire picture. IMO Romo coming off injury to his throwing hand was a huge factor in Roy not producing. Romo needs to trust himself and the person he is throwing to. When he first came back there was not a lot of zip on the ball and sometimes inaccurate throws to TO and company, which required them to make adjustments to make the catch. Add in Roy's injury and all the other hoopla from last year and you get a QB and WR not on the same page.

 

[DallasFanSince86]

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Hee Haw was great.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I agree Detroit was behind all the time when Roy was there. But why does Calvin Johnson get a pass in all this? Weren't the Lions behind when he was making plays too? Hell, they were 0-16, but Calvin gets his props (like Roy used to). This isn't to put Calvin Johnson down, just to shed the light on the logic people use when discussing Roy's production.

IMHO Calvin Johnson is light years ahead of Roy Williams. He is an absolutely freakish athlete that will only get better with time, shame he went to an awful organization.

With that said, its hard to measure 'production' in a place like Detroit. But I look at it in terms of raw talent. There aren't more than 5 guys I'd rather have than Calvin. Moss, Fitz, Johnson, Smith, Plax maybe, Owens has fallen out that group.

I can name 20 that I'd rather have over Roy.

 

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