Detroit's passing offense | 2004 - 2007

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DallasEast;2725450 said:
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Really? With the amount of pissing and moaning that goes on this board, over possibly the stupidest fodder. My post wins the award of, I guess witty, youtube video about complaining?

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Apollo Creed;2725480 said:
Really? With the amount of pissing and moaning that goes on this board, over possibly the stupidest fodder. My post wins the award of, I guess witty, youtube video about complaining?

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DallasEast;2725491 said:
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A really obvious metaphor for the majority of this board.
 

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Apollo Creed;2725498 said:
[youtube]48hOl3PjcsI[/youtube]

A really obvious metaphor for the majority of this board.
"Majority"? Based upon what?

Honestly, this repeated method by posters to apply "percentages" to the board's membership fascinates me. In truth, the vast majority of the board's members rarely post, so their opinions on all issues is unknown. In proportion to the sheer numbers of registered members, a tiny segment of board actually make any of their opinions known to their fellow posters about football, politics, etc.

Yet, it doesn't stop some from stating their "personal observations" that "the majority" or "the minority" of the board believes this or that topic or viewpoint. Maybe some could reference a conducted poll as an example of a probable sampling of the entire board's thoughts about a particular subject as the basis, but nope. Doesn't happen. Just amazes me.

My apologies. Just rambling...
 

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Roy Williams is a top-notch WR, but it's difficult to win anything or excel when you have a GM that drafts skill positions every single year...they never drafted or built their team from the inside-out...OL/DL first...

He'll do just fine here in Dallas. One thing I like more than anything is he catches the ball with his hands, not in the bread-basket.
 

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DallasEast;2725131 said:
Stat haters beware. The following snapshots illustrates both Roy Williams' and his teammates' productivity in the Lions' offense during his first four seasons in Detroit:

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* Missed two games

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* Missed three games

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* Missed four games
I'm not impressed.

Being a top receiver for the Detriot Lions is like ...being a top receiver for the Detriot Lions.
 

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EPL0c0;2725520 said:
I'm not impressed.

Being a top receiver for the Detriot Lions is like ...being a top receiver for the Detriot Lions.

:laugh2:

And thus, if he should translate his production within a better offense, it won't have any positive effect as the top receiver within the better offense.

Duly noted. :)
 

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Apollo Creed;2725469 said:
IMHO Calvin Johnson is light years ahead of Roy Williams. He is an absolutely freakish athlete that will only get better with time, shame he went to an awful organization.

With that said, its hard to measure 'production' in a place like Detroit. But I look at it in terms of raw talent. There aren't more than 5 guys I'd rather have than Calvin. Moss, Fitz, Johnson, Smith, Plax maybe, Owens has fallen out that group.

I can name 20 that I'd rather have over Roy.

At least you admit that it's hard to measure production for a receiver on a team that's always behind. The rest of the Roy criticizers use Detroit's ineptitude against Roy while crediting Calvin Johnson's success in the same environment. Before we got Roy, everybody talked about how Detroit's receivers were BOTH sick. Now that Roy is a Cowboy, all of a sudden, the only sick receiver was Calvin. Funny how that works.
 

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EPL0c0;2725520 said:
I'm not impressed.

Being a top receiver for the Detriot Lions is like ...being a top receiver for the Detriot Lions.
Getting the best players off of teams, even the bad, seems like a pretty smart thing to do.
 

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DallasEast;2725420 said:
What I wanted to do with this thread was show that, even though the offense lost a Hall of Fame bound number one wide receiver, his replacement is a very good wide receiver also. With the other weapons in this offense's arsenal, that's really all he has to be.

As shown in previous seasons, the only really legitimate concern to have about Roy Williams as a player and teammate is the greater likelihood that he will miss several games during to injury. That's it.

Regardless of what naysayers wish to imply or outright state, he didn't suddenly become a washed out bum overnight after his trade from Detroit. He had to become accustomed to a brand new playbook at midseason. At some point, he was playing with an injury and trying to compensate for it. He didn't get a lot of work in with his equally injured quarterback.

Are these all excuses? Of course they are. Are they valid ones? Yep, but only for 2008.

This season, he will have ample time to learn the playbook. There isn't any reason to believe that he won't, since he's already proven that he can in Detroit. Likewise, he should have plenty of time to get on the same page with his quarterback, so the timing will be much better between the two than last season when the opportunities for improvement between both players were more limited. Again, the only true question mark is an injury which takes him out of the lineup.

The bottom line? If Roy Williams is healthy, Dallas plugged the number one receiver position well-enough that offensive success will not drain out of that one hole. Or, in other words, good enough.


So when is it Garrett's fault for Roy's lack of production? Roy was playing in pretty much the same offense in Detroit, so learning the new offense wasn't that big of a deal. Further, it isn't that difficult to use a WR in the end-zone on a fade route, which Garrett only did once. Running a slant isn't that complicated and that is Roy's bread-and-butter. People forget theta:

1. Roy denied for the first 4 weeks or so, before the injury, that learning the playbook was an issue. Look how long it took the Red Genius to insert Montrae Holland into the line-up, under the premise he was 'learning the playbook'.

2. Roy claimed that the injury never really impacted his lack of production.

3. Roy played with Mike Martz, so it isn't a surprise the WRs put up big numbers. It was a pass-happy offense, without an emphasis on the run. The problem is, we have Garrett.
 

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adbutcher;2725346 said:
I hope your assumptions holds true. If it does that would give us the perfect receiving threat to compliment our new focus on the run game.
I'm hoping like heck, running the ball will be the focus of the offense.
 

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khiladi;2725721 said:
So when is it Garrett's fault for Roy's lack of production?
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khiladi;2725721 said:
Roy was playing in pretty much the same offense in Detroit, so learning the new offense wasn't that big of a deal. Further, it isn't that difficult to use a WR in the end-zone on a fade route,
Playbooks are not identical from team to team.
khiladi;2725721 said:
which Garrett only did once.
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khiladi;2725721 said:
Running a slant isn't that complicated and that is Roy's bread-and-butter.
Agree.
khiladi;2725721 said:
People forget theta:

1. Roy denied for the first 4 weeks or so, before the injury, that learning the playbook was an issue.
Yep. He instantly understood every play and he demonstrated that for his coaches and they had him playing opposite of Terrell Owens from day one on every single down.

Or maybe not.
khiladi;2725721 said:
Look how long it took the Red Genius
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khiladi;2725721 said:
to insert Montrae Holland into the line-up, under the premise he was 'learning the playbook'.
He may further piss you off by splitting Holland out wide on a few plays. That guy's evil.
khiladi;2725721 said:
2. Roy claimed that the injury never really impacted his lack of production.
And yet, anyone watching the games noticed that he would not plant his feet firmly when making his cuts while running routes.

Could he have been fibbing? Maybe just a little?

nah.
khiladi;2725721 said:
3. Roy played with Mike Martz, so it isn't a surprise the WRs put up big numbers. It was a pass-happy offense, without an emphasis on the run.
A pass happy offense is one which has not been seen in Dallas during the last few seasons.

Waitasec...

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khiladi;2725721 said:
The problem is, we have Garrett.
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DallasEast;2725533 said:
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And thus, if he should translate his production within a better offense, it won't have any positive effect as the top receiver within the better offense.

Duly noted. :)
Impulsive post...should have said "I'm not impressed yet"

But the good thing is that, if Garrett has any brains, this team will lean on the run game in 2009 to take pressure off the passing game/Romo/oline, so Williams may not have to step up and have Owens' numbers.
 

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EPL0c0;2725886 said:
Impulsive post...should have said "I'm not impressed yet"

But the good thing is that, if Garrett has any brains, this team will lean on the run game in 2009 to take pressure off the passing game/Romo/oline, so Williams may not have to step up and have Owens' numbers.
I could be wrong, but I believe that the plan from day one is to have a more balanced offense which depends equally on both the run and pass. It would not surprise me if there are fewer big play attempts per game this season. That'll turn off some fans, but I feel that it will benefit a team with a good quarterback, protected by a sometimes suspect offensive line, supported by a stable of solid running backs, security at tight end, and a good wide receiving core.
 
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