Deuce Vaughn Will Have to be RB2 to be Successful

[kskboys]

This is the point you simply aren't comprehending. His game IS his size. You cant separate his running ability from his 5'5 177lb body. Its a package deal.

I cant take it seriously that somehow this is an advantage or a strength. Ask him if hed rather be bigger.

I know everyone has watched the hilights of his big runs. Great. Most of those runs he was untouched. How many NFL running backs have runs where the go untouched for 65 yards? Its rare. And as been posted previously, those chunk plays are what offset his losses and zero gain carries. Thats why his ypc was only 5.5. Robinson was 6.3. Nearly a yard difference. May not seem like much, but it is if you really breakdown all of their runs.

Its not easy and very time consuming trying to find and watch each of his touches per game. I watched the first half of the Sugar Bowl. And a couple others.

He gets stopped a lot. No power. And defenders are literally picking him up off the ground and slamming him down. And those are college players.

RAC is a big deal in the NFL. Players are so fast and so smart scheme wise that they are almost always around the ball. There is usually always contact a RB needs to fight through. Even just getting bumped, pushed, arm tackle attempts. Let alone full on collisions.

I just dont see him being successful navigating any of that. He struggled in college doing it. Not to mention that he is a complete liability as a blocker.

He is a slippery, jump cut type with really good vision and ok speed. Add a very good oline, and that leads to a very good college career.

That style of running won't work in the NFL. He dances way to much. He has to. He cant put his head down and make a whole so he hops around trying to find one.

He is no Barry Sanders. Not even close. Barry was 205 and had 4.43 speed. And he even got criticized for taking a lot of losses on runs.

All we can do is wait until we can watch him play. Tape dont lie, at least the full tape doesn't.

And freaky quickness.

Can't leave out his best traits.

 

[Pass2Run]

1. Deuce won’t play special teams at all, so he will need significant utility to remain on the field

2. He won’t come in on 3rd and long because he’s too small to block.

2. He NEEDS a mixture of both regular carries AND gadget plays. If he only gets used as a gadget guy, they’ll know it’s a screen or sweep every time. To get there he needs to be RB2 eventually

They need to use him in the slot like San Fran...as a slot WR and RB.

Duece can run routes and catch.

 

[BlindFaith]

You are the one that doesn't comprehend how his size helps him.

I fully comprehend why you think it does. Thinking its an adventage because you think the defense wont be able to see him is just comical.

Hes small, but not smaller than a football. Defenses rarely have any problem locating the ball.

 

[CATCH17]

I fully comprehend why you think it does. Thinking its an adventage because you think the defense wont be able to see him is just comical.

Hes small, but not smaller than a football. Defenses rarely have any problem locating the ball.

Problem is he has elite vision and quickness while not needing a whole lot of space to make something happen.

I have no doubt that if he and Zeke had 230 Carrie’s he would out produce Zeke.

 

[BlindFaith]

You're making the mistake of thinking we are going to make him a bell cow back. Evaluate him as more of an open field threat, possibly a returner. Maybe 6-10 touches per game.

Im not making that mistake. Several posters are.

Again, how does he make the roster?

Backup? No. If Pollard goes down we need someone capable of more than maybe 6-10 touches.

Third RB? Usually required to play special teams. Which he cant. Unless its reurner. Davis plays special teams and I personally really like what he brings.

Returner? Never did it in college except for a few KO. Can he beat out Turpin?

Other options.
1. Cut Jones or Davis
2. Carry 4 RBs. That means going lite somewhere else.

I dont see option 1. happening. If option 2 happens it will be for Luepke. He offers more snaps. ST, little fullback, little short yardage, maybe a little TE.

Now if they really like Luepke, they could go with only 3 TEs and him as a hybrid type. Tough call.

Math and physics are not in Dueces favor.

 

[DandyDon52]

I think he needs to excel in PS , then maybe he gets used more in reg season?

 

[BlindFaith]

They need to use him in the slot like San Fran...as a slot WR and RB.

Duece can run routes and catch.

Slot reciever may actual be a better chance for him. But he still has zero catch radius.

But could he be a Cole Beasley?

But then it still comes to roster spots. We keep him as the fourth or fifth reciever?

If he can beat out Turpin as returner and show more on offense than Turpin, Im sold.

Big, big ifs.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

If he can't be the #2 RB than the organization failed in it's duty to help Dak and make this more of a running team. I hope he can do it.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think we stole a player. I really do.

 

[CATCH17]

If he can't be the #2 RB than the organization failed in it's duty to help Dak and make this more of a running team. I hope he can do it.

Out of all of our RBs who besides Pollard would D Coordinators worry about?

The rest will just be as good as the Oline. Vaughn is the one guy who can create and make plays.

 

[DandyDon52]

I agree with op that he needs plenty of snaps to show what he can do. Just a few a game wont cut it.

 

[CWR]

Yeah, after a person trashes the same draft pick 20 times in one thread before the player has even shown up for rookie camp, let alone put on an actual uniform, it's pretty obvious he stole his girlfriend or something (I kid, I kid) and isn't worth arguing with on the topic. Deuce may very well be electric and a difference maker like some think or he may never play a regular season game. I guess we will find out in a few months. I for one am excited to see how he does as his upside for a 6th rounder seems like a good risk and I'm glad we are the team that drafted him.

Exactly, thank you. I'm in the same camp. The odds are against him, but it's premature to rule him out. I'm gonna let him go to work and hope to be suprised.

 

[CWR]

Im not making that mistake. Several posters are.

Again, how does he make the roster?

Backup? No. If Pollard goes down we need someone capable of more than maybe 6-10 touches.

Third RB? Usually required to play special teams. Which he cant. Unless its reurner. Davis plays special teams and I personally really like what he brings.

Returner? Never did it in college except for a few KO. Can he beat out Turpin?

Other options.
1. Cut Jones or Davis
2. Carry 4 RBs. That means going lite somewhere else.

I dont see option 1. happening. If option 2 happens it will be for Luepke. He offers more snaps. ST, little fullback, little short yardage, maybe a little TE.

Now if they really like Luepke, they could go with only 3 TEs and him as a hybrid type. Tough call.

Math and physics are not in Dueces favor.

I think the competition is between Davis and Deuce. Ideally Duece is the 3rd back and Luepke can be used at TE in a pinch. It's his position flex that allows them to keep 4rbs and go lighter at TE. Rojo is the primary back up.

I'm guessing that is the FOs plan if the rookies impress at camp/preseason. It's a big if, but they've gone over Luepkes utility role extensively.

I also think Luepke has better odds of making the team, based simply on need. We have to have a big back, and if it's anywhere near close he's going to get the spot.

 

[charron]

Just fyi you do not have to be a power back to be the #1 back. Davis and or the FB will be the short yardage options. They'll figure a lot of this out in camp but that's probably how they'll draw it up to start.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Out of all of our RBs who besides Pollard would D Coordinators worry about?

The rest will just be as good as the Oline. Vaughn is the one guy who can create and make plays.

We'll have to see. Hope he can do it. I'm rooting for him.

 

[kskboys]

Im not making that mistake. Several posters are.

Again, how does he make the roster?

Backup? No. If Pollard goes down we need someone capable of more than maybe 6-10 touches.

Third RB? Usually required to play special teams. Which he cant. Unless its reurner. Davis plays special teams and I personally really like what he brings.

Returner? Never did it in college except for a few KO. Can he beat out Turpin?

Other options.
1. Cut Jones or Davis
2. Carry 4 RBs. That means going lite somewhere else.

I dont see option 1. happening. If option 2 happens it will be for Luepke. He offers more snaps. ST, little fullback, little short yardage, maybe a little TE.

Now if they really like Luepke, they could go with only 3 TEs and him as a hybrid type. Tough call.

Math and physics are not in Dueces favor.

Well done.

I simply disagree w/ 1. I don't believe Davis has all that much value, and I believe that Jones was signed as insurance in case we couldn't find anyone else.

Deuce must be a good returner/open field runner. That's the only way he makes the team. Think Darren Sproles, Danny Woodhead type.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Yep, him and turpin can battle it out for the jets sweep and screens. whaaa hoo. shrugs

 

[speedkilz88]

“All you got to do is put on the tape and watch the kid play to let you know that he belonged and he belongs in the NFL,” McClay said. “He deserved to get picked and we had the opportunity to pick the value that was good for us and it was the best football player on the board.”

“You can run your offense with him,” McClay said. “He ran between the tackles in high school and ran between the tackles in college. he was very productive in that. He can make plays in space. He can do a number of different things for you. There’s a lot of specially pieces in the NFL outside your typical the old school football. The game is changing and evolving and you have to change and evolve with it. And this is a player that’s had success at a very high level.

Reel Analytics, which used by a number of colleges in recruiting, including TCU, measures space position players like running backs, receivers, tight ends, linebackers and defensive backs. It give them a proprietary IGA Score derived from position-specific athleticism metrics extracted by video tracking technology. Each metric is weighted, contextualized by percentile rankings, and scored.


And not only was Vaughn’s score of 96.7 tops among all Cowboys drafted players, it was third among running backs, behind only Bijan Robinson (98.3) and Tank Bigsby (97.2), who were drafted in the first and third rounds by the Atlanta Falcons and Jacksonville Jaguars, respectively.

He was four spots ahead of Jahmyr Gibbs (92.1), who picked in the first round by the Detroit Lions.


“Deuce Vaughn is unique in two ways,” Yates said. “First, he has elite change of direction. His average change of direction time is under 0.3 seconds which is top 1% of 3,900 running backs in our database and the best in the 2023 draft class. Second, Vaughn has high-end breakaway speed. We clocked him at a max speed of nearly 22 mph in week 9 vs Oklahoma State.”

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[DandyDon52]

Slot reciever may actual be a better chance for him. But he still has zero catch radius.

But could he be a Cole Beasley?

But then it still comes to roster spots. We keep him as the fourth or fifth reciever?

If he can beat out Turpin as returner and show more on offense than Turpin, Im sold.

Big, big ifs.

yes good point , his catch radius is small and lower, while dak tends to throw high or low to ground lol.
The first thing i thought of , was D being so short dak will overthrow him quite often. or behind him, too low etc.
Dak will have to be on target with duece for it to work.

 

[big dog cowboy]

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