Deuce Vaughn Will Have to be RB2 to be Successful

[BlindFaith]

You can't see the forrest for the trees.

Ok Plato

 

[BlindFaith]

It wasn't me saying it. NFL professional scouts. I just posted what I heard.

Good to know.

Broddus was a scout too. WAS.

Mayock thought he knew talent too. THOUGHT.

Jerry thinks he can GM a team back to the SuperBowl. THINKS.

Be you.

 

[rambo2]

Good to know.

Broddus was a scout too. WAS.

Mayock thought he knew talent too. THOUGHT.

Jerry thinks he can GM a team back to the SuperBowl. THINKS.

Be you.

Are you better than those professionals?

 

[BlindFaith]

Are you better than those professionals?

Short answer is that regardless of, if I am or not, they dont get paid enough for me to even want to try.

 

[rambo2]

Short answer is that regardless of, if I am or not, they dont get paid enough for me to even want to try.

If you are or not? lol

 

[BlindFaith]

If you are or not? lol

Yeah, you're right. Its just I am.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Good to know.

Broddus was a scout too. WAS.

Mayock thought he knew talent too. THOUGHT.

Jerry thinks he can GM a team back to the SuperBowl. THINKS.

Be you.

I love it. You lay out all these people that thought they knew but hubris got in the way without once considering yourself.

 

[blueblood70]

Agree. Saw him several times last year. He looks much bigger than his actual size. He is a threat every time he touches the ball.

correct im not announcing hes going to take the NFL by fire and be star but some here underestimating this kid are going to be surprised.. he will be nice fit in the RBBC rotation. Moore is no longer here and hopefully now more of our weapons can be used all season in many situations like working Turpin more into the offense etc and using Vaughn correctly.

 

[Jarntt]

Calm down. We get it, you don't like him. I don't care.

Yeah, after a person trashes the same draft pick 20 times in one thread before the player has even shown up for rookie camp, let alone put on an actual uniform, it's pretty obvious he stole his girlfriend or something (I kid, I kid) and isn't worth arguing with on the topic. Deuce may very well be electric and a difference maker like some think or he may never play a regular season game. I guess we will find out in a few months. I for one am excited to see how he does as his upside for a 6th rounder seems like a good risk and I'm glad we are the team that drafted him.

 

[BlindFaith]

I love it. You lay out all these people that thought they knew but hubris got in the way without once considering yourself.

I've never gone on TV, or radio or published anything. They did. And failed. Just proving the point that there are current scouts/experts that probably arent very good either.

Do I think I could do it? Yes. Just being honest.

 

[Techsass]

Yeah, after a person trashes the same draft pick 20 times in one thread before the player has even shown up for rookie camp, let alone put on an actual uniform, it's pretty obvious he stole his girlfriend or something (I kid, I kid) and isn't worth arguing with on the topic. Deuce may very well be electric and a difference maker like some think or he may never play a regular season game. I guess we will find out in a few months. I for one am excited to see how he does as his upside for a 6th rounder seems like a good risk and I'm glad we are the team that drafted him.

Even if he only has a couple of splash plays, Jerry will be milking it for all he can get.

 

[BlindFaith]

Yeah, after a person trashes the same draft pick 20 times in one thread before the player has even shown up for rookie camp, let alone put on an actual uniform, it's pretty obvious he stole his girlfriend or something (I kid, I kid) and isn't worth arguing with on the topic. Deuce may very well be electric and a difference maker like some think or he may never play a regular season game. I guess we will find out in a few months. I for one am excited to see how he does as his upside for a 6th rounder seems like a good risk and I'm glad we are the team that drafted him.

I never trashed him or even the pick. If he was the best guy on their board, then the pick was fine. And it was a story that made headlines. Cool.

He was very productive in college. Awesome.

All Ive said is that he and his game does not translate to the NFL. And if he cant find a place being a returner, then he wont make the 53.

Im clearly in the minority, at least of those posting on the subject. I have no problem with that. I'll have no problem admitting Im wrong if he ends up being a productive contributor to the team.

Im not rooting against the kid. Im just being realistic.

 

[CATCH17]

I never trashed him or even the pick. If he was the best guy on their board, then the pick was fine. And it was a story that made headlines. Cool.

He was very productive in college. Awesome.

All Ive said is that he and his game does not translate to the NFL. And if he cant find a place being a returner, then he wont make the 53.

Im clearly in the minority, at least of those posting on the subject. I have no problem with that. I'll have no problem admitting Im wrong if he ends up being a productive contributor to the team.

Im not rooting against the kid. Im just being realistic.

His game 100% translates to the NFL.

Everyone is betting against his size which has always been what makes him a special player.

People are betting that his biggest strength will now be his biggest weakness.

I think we stole a player. I really do.

 

[McKDaddy]

lll

But I think RB2 is gonna be Jones or Davis.

 

[McKDaddy]

Even though Pollard will now be the starter, I don't really see him getting a lot more carries. There should be plenty of carries to go around.

But how many can you carry on game days?

 

[rambo2]

But how many can you carry on game days?

4 with Luepke.

 

[BlindFaith]

His game 100% translates to the NFL.

Everyone is betting against his size which has always been what makes him a special player.

People are betting that his biggest strength will now be his biggest weakness.

I think we stole a player. I really do.

This is the point you simply aren't comprehending. His game IS his size. You cant separate his running ability from his 5'5 177lb body. Its a package deal.

I cant take it seriously that somehow this is an advantage or a strength. Ask him if hed rather be bigger.

I know everyone has watched the hilights of his big runs. Great. Most of those runs he was untouched. How many NFL running backs have runs where the go untouched for 65 yards? Its rare. And as been posted previously, those chunk plays are what offset his losses and zero gain carries. Thats why his ypc was only 5.5. Robinson was 6.3. Nearly a yard difference. May not seem like much, but it is if you really breakdown all of their runs.

Its not easy and very time consuming trying to find and watch each of his touches per game. I watched the first half of the Sugar Bowl. And a couple others.

He gets stopped a lot. No power. And defenders are literally picking him up off the ground and slamming him down. And those are college players.

RAC is a big deal in the NFL. Players are so fast and so smart scheme wise that they are almost always around the ball. There is usually always contact a RB needs to fight through. Even just getting bumped, pushed, arm tackle attempts. Let alone full on collisions.

I just dont see him being successful navigating any of that. He struggled in college doing it. Not to mention that he is a complete liability as a blocker.

He is a slippery, jump cut type with really good vision and ok speed. Add a very good oline, and that leads to a very good college career.

That style of running won't work in the NFL. He dances way to much. He has to. He cant put his head down and make a whole so he hops around trying to find one.

He is no Barry Sanders. Not even close. Barry was 205 and had 4.43 speed. And he even got criticized for taking a lot of losses on runs.

All we can do is wait until we can watch him play. Tape dont lie, at least the full tape doesn't.

 

[rambo2]

This is the point you simply aren't comprehending. His game IS his size. You cant separate his running ability from his 5'5 177lb body. Its a package deal.

I cant take it seriously that somehow this is an advantage or a strength. Ask him if hed rather be bigger.

I know everyone has watched the hilights of his big runs. Great. Most of those runs he was untouched. How many NFL running backs have runs where the go untouched for 65 yards? Its rare. And as been posted previously, those chunk plays are what offset his losses and zero gain carries. Thats why his ypc was only 5.5. Robinson was 6.3. Nearly a yard difference. May not seem like much, but it is if you really breakdown all of their runs.

Its not easy and very time consuming trying to find and watch each of his touches per game. I watched the first half of the Sugar Bowl. And a couple others.

He gets stopped a lot. No power. And defenders are literally picking him up off the ground and slamming him down. And those are college players.

RAC is a big deal in the NFL. Players are so fast and so smart scheme wise that they are almost always around the ball. There is usually always contact a RB needs to fight through. Even just getting bumped, pushed, arm tackle attempts. Let alone full on collisions.

I just dont see him being successful navigating any of that. He struggled in college doing it. Not to mention that he is a complete liability as a blocker.

He is a slippery, jump cut type with really good vision and ok speed. Add a very good oline, and that leads to a very good college career.

That style of running won't work in the NFL. He dances way to much. He has to. He cant put his head down and make a whole so he hops around trying to find one.

He is no Barry Sanders. Not even close. Barry was 205 and had 4.43 speed. And he even got criticized for taking a lot of losses on runs.

All we can do is wait until we can watch him play. Tape dont lie, at least the full tape doesn't.

You are the one that doesn't comprehend how his size helps him.

 

[kskboys]

This is the point you simply aren't comprehending. His game IS his size. You cant separate his running ability from his 5'5 177lb body. Its a package deal.

I cant take it seriously that somehow this is an advantage or a strength. Ask him if hed rather be bigger.

I know everyone has watched the hilights of his big runs. Great. Most of those runs he was untouched. How many NFL running backs have runs where the go untouched for 65 yards? Its rare. And as been posted previously, those chunk plays are what offset his losses and zero gain carries. Thats why his ypc was only 5.5. Robinson was 6.3. Nearly a yard difference. May not seem like much, but it is if you really breakdown all of their runs.

Its not easy and very time consuming trying to find and watch each of his touches per game. I watched the first half of the Sugar Bowl. And a couple others.

He gets stopped a lot. No power. And defenders are literally picking him up off the ground and slamming him down. And those are college players.

RAC is a big deal in the NFL. Players are so fast and so smart scheme wise that they are almost always around the ball. There is usually always contact a RB needs to fight through. Even just getting bumped, pushed, arm tackle attempts. Let alone full on collisions.

I just dont see him being successful navigating any of that. He struggled in college doing it. Not to mention that he is a complete liability as a blocker.

He is a slippery, jump cut type with really good vision and ok speed. Add a very good oline, and that leads to a very good college career.

That style of running won't work in the NFL. He dances way to much. He has to. He cant put his head down and make a whole so he hops around trying to find one.

He is no Barry Sanders. Not even close. Barry was 205 and had 4.43 speed. And he even got criticized for taking a lot of losses on runs.

All we can do is wait until we can watch him play. Tape dont lie, at least the full tape doesn't.

You're making the mistake of thinking we are going to make him a bell cow back. Evaluate him as more of an open field threat, possibly a returner. Maybe 6-10 touches per game.

 

[Jarntt]

I never trashed him or even the pick. If he was the best guy on their board, then the pick was fine. And it was a story that made headlines. Cool.

He was very productive in college. Awesome.

All Ive said is that he and his game does not translate to the NFL. And if he cant find a place being a returner, then he wont make the 53.

Im clearly in the minority, at least of those posting on the subject. I have no problem with that. I'll have no problem admitting Im wrong if he ends up being a productive contributor to the team.

Im not rooting against the kid. Im just being realistic.

Saying he will be "extremely lucky to just make the team" is a little like trashing and the relentless comments as well, but OK. Maybe just interpretation on my part as I can't pretend to know your thoughts.

As long as the bolded is true I have no issues with your stance. We all have players we like more/less than the average fan. There is nothing wrong with not being as high on a player as the majority