Devante Parker a better value than Cooper?

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

A 4th for Parker is clearly a better deal for Dallas, but that is not the same as saying Parker is better than Cooper. I am not sure which player is better but we will find out about Cooper in time. I think the point is a 1st round pick was too much to give up for Cooper. I would not give up a 1st round for anyone other than a QB. Its not a question of which WRs will be available in the draft next year. Its a question of which players will be available at any position when Dallas picks. This team has more than 1 need. Also, there is no guarantee Cooper works out. Everyone quotes his stats from his 1st two seasons. But what about last year and this year? They want to ignore recent history because it doesn't favor their argument. The point is, when to offer compensation it should be for CURRENT value not past value that Dallas may never see from Cooper. Look at Cooper's stats from this year. 6 games and 3 games under 20 yards. in those 3 games he had 4 catches! He had two games over 100 yards. That's better than anyone on the Cowboys but no one on the Cowboys could fetch a 3rd round pick except Beasely, maybe. Maybe Gallup gets a 5th. For Cooper to be worth a 1st and $14 million next year, he cannot disappear for 50% of his games.

Given Cooper's 2018 performance numbers, someone explain why he is worth a 1st round pick and arguing he is better than anyone in the 2019 draft is not an explanation. The question is why is Cooper worth a 1st round pick, not why is everyone in the 2019 draft class not. Also, who will be the WR free agents next season? Isn;t it possible Dallas could keep their #1 pick and still sign a top WR free agent?

You nailed it my man! But to some we have first rounders to burn. If you are one player away from the SB this year then you can use next years first to get there. But this team is not one player away and needs first rounders to get over the hump.

 

[Verdict]

Here's food for thought. If we win about 9 games with Cooper we will be drafting in the 20 to 25 range. That's Taco Charlton territory.

I would take Cooper over Charlton right now. The cap hit is a different issue.

 

[Rockport]

Both offer different skillsets but I believe Parker's style is a better fit for this team. He is as sure handed as they come and as good as anyone coming down with contested catches. He also has a knack for getting open after plays break down.

He has been inconsistent throughout his career mainly from injury but he's a part of one of the few organizations more incompetent than the Boys. Dallas probably could've negotiated a 4th rounder and some change to get him for that reason. Trading a 3rd for him is better value than a 1st for Cooper, IMHO.

If you watched the game last night you can see just how talented this kid is.

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Why does it matter? We signed Cooper not Parker.

 

[Rockport]

Parker looked pretty good last night.

Someone mentioned another issue with Cooper. Before we got him, a lot of the Dak defenders were suggesting he's being let down by a WR group that won't make a play for him. In other words, won't get that ball in traffic, or make that tough catch with a defender draped all over him or snatch that ball that isn't thrown perfectly.

Cooper might not be that guy. At best, he has average hands. His strength, which we can use, is run nice routes and use athleticism to get open. But is he a guy that's going to make that tough catch in traffic when we need it?

Parker seems more like that type. I am not suggesting he's the better WR. Just a different one.

SMH The GM has spoken.

 

[PUSHfold]

Given Cooper's 2018 performance numbers, someone explain why he is worth a 1st round pick and arguing he is better than anyone in the 2019 draft is not an explanation. The question is why is Cooper worth a 1st round pick, not why is everyone in the 2019 draft class not. Also, who will be the WR free agents next season? Isn;t it possible Dallas could keep their #1 pick and still sign a top WR free agent?

WHAT FA WR? Amari is better than all the FA WRs this next year. I initially absolutely hated and despised this trade but the more I've thought about it the more I've began to like it and actually think it could be a good move for us. Obviously only time will tell but WRs with Amari's talent don't grow on trees and trying to get one from another team is always going to be expensive. Tell me who from the Raiders in the past 2 years has actually had better stats than the years prior? It's not JUST Amari whose numbers have fallen off a cliff the entire organization is up in flames. I'm one of the people who think a change of scenery for this kid may do him wonders. He's young, he seems to be intelligent, and apparently he's got a good work ethic, and on top of this he's rarely injured. So it's a gamble sure but look at the 1st round pick WRs the past 5 years, they've been horrid for the most part...I would rather have Amari Cooper than Calvin Ridley at this point they're basically the same age as well, the only issue with that is their contracts and Amari will have to be payed soon but if he plays well then that's fine. Pay the man.

 

[John813]

Parker is softer than baby ****.

I really wanted to like him, but he isn't long for the NFL unless he get serious and can stay healthy.

 

[DandyDon52]

And I would say the same in the Romo threads...and it's not an attack on you, it's just that i don't get why we would spend time on a hypothetical scenario that now isn't even possible

It is simple, dont go into threads you dont get or care for !

 

[Jake]

Based on the Dolphins having lost Albert Wilson for the season, I don't think Parker is available anymore.

He was off the market as quickly as he went on it. Kenny Stills was out last night too, but he's expected to return at some point.

 

[buybuydandavis]

People are creating threads about Romo coming back. I don't think discussing this is irrelevant.

We had like 24 hours to even discuss Dallas trading a 1st for Cooper before it even happened

Parker: Not a Cowboy before, now, or in the future.

We could have a thread like this for every WR in the league.

I'm against thread squashing. Let people talk about what they want to talk about. But this pinged my "this is irrelevant to the Cowboys" alarm.

 

[cowboyskid29]

Parker: Not a Cowboy before, now, or in the future.

We could have a thread like this for every WR in the league.

I'm against thread squashing. Let people talk about what they want to talk about. But this pinged my "this is irrelevant to the Cowboys" alarm.

Parker and Cooper are the only 2 receivers that I’m aware of being publicly shopped. Posting about Parker wasn’t some arbitrary hand picked receiver I like.

As far as discussing topics like this, the Randy Moss vs Greg Ellis 10+ year discussion must’ve been really triggering along with current Jalen Ramsey vs. Eze E debate

 

[SoupcanSam]

Both offer different skillsets but I believe Parker's style is a better fit for this team. He is as sure handed as they come and as good as anyone coming down with contested catches. He also has a knack for getting open after plays break down.

He has been inconsistent throughout his career mainly from injury but he's a part of one of the few organizations more incompetent than the Boys. Dallas probably could've negotiated a 4th rounder and some change to get him for that reason. Trading a 3rd for him is better value than a 1st for Cooper, IMHO.

If you watched the game last night you can see just how talented this kid is.

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Dallas paying up for cooper and parker having a 100+ game raised his value. Miami would be stupid to let him go sitting at 500 with no other decent wideouts besides amendola.

Grant had a chance to shine with reps but he flopped. Miami will as for a 2nd at most.

 

[acer941]

A 4th for Parker is clearly a better deal for Dallas, but that is not the same as saying Parker is better than Cooper. I am not sure which player is better but we will find out about Cooper in time. I think the point is a 1st round pick was too much to give up for Cooper. I would not give up a 1st round for anyone other than a QB. Its not a question of which WRs will be available in the draft next year. Its a question of which players will be available at any position when Dallas picks. This team has more than 1 need. Also, there is no guarantee Cooper works out. Everyone quotes his stats from his 1st two seasons. But what about last year and this year? They want to ignore recent history because it doesn't favor their argument. The point is, when to offer compensation it should be for CURRENT value not past value that Dallas may never see from Cooper. Look at Cooper's stats from this year. 6 games and 3 games under 20 yards. in those 3 games he had 4 catches! He had two games over 100 yards. That's better than anyone on the Cowboys but no one on the Cowboys could fetch a 3rd round pick except Beasely, maybe. Maybe Gallup gets a 5th. For Cooper to be worth a 1st and $14 million next year, he cannot disappear for 50% of his games.

Given Cooper's 2018 performance numbers, someone explain why he is worth a 1st round pick and arguing he is better than anyone in the 2019 draft is not an explanation. The question is why is Cooper worth a 1st round pick, not why is everyone in the 2019 draft class not. Also, who will be the WR free agents next season? Isn;t it possible Dallas could keep their #1 pick and still sign a top WR free agent?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/wide-receiver/

Devin Funchess
Kelvin Benjamin
Randall Cobb...

Just to name a few FA WR’s..

I approve of the trade for Amari. I’d rather them spend the FA money on safety in the upcoming Free Agency. As this is the best year for FA Safety’s in the past Decade in my opinion if none of them get resigned.

Landon Collins
Earl Thomas
Tyran(sp?) Mathieu...
And plenty more good ones.

 

[bcavi]

You nailed it my man! But to some we have first rounders to burn. If you are one player away from the SB this year then you can use next years first to get there. But this team is not one player away and needs first rounders to get over the hump.

 

[Zekeats]

why debate this now? Its done, the 1st is gone, cooper is here and nothing is changing.

You are on a website that is a message board for sports.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Parker and Cooper are the only 2 receivers that I’m aware of being publicly shopped. Posting about Parker wasn’t some arbitrary hand picked receiver I like.

Fair enough.

 

[cowboyec]

I'll stay with Cooper.

 

[SportsGuru80]

NO

 

[Risen Star]

why debate this now? Its done, the 1st is gone, cooper is here and nothing is changing.

Well nothing will ever change based off of the talk here so let's just close up the joint.

Oh, I think you mean please don't criticize my team it upsets me.

 

[Risen Star]

I definitely would have preferred Parker.

I still can't believe they made this trade.

 

[Zman5]

Parker looked pretty good last night.

Someone mentioned another issue with Cooper. Before we got him, a lot of the Dak defenders were suggesting he's being let down by a WR group that won't make a play for him. In other words, won't get that ball in traffic, or make that tough catch with a defender draped all over him or snatch that ball that isn't thrown perfectly.

Cooper might not be that guy. At best, he has average hands. His strength, which we can use, is run nice routes and use athleticism to get open. But is he a guy that's going to make that tough catch in traffic when we need it?

Parker seems more like that type. I am not suggesting he's the better WR. Just a different one.

He makes plenty of tough contested catches. His drops are usually the easy catches. I watched lot of his games because I had him on my FF team for last three years.