Dez and Cooper in Communication

[CowboysExchange]

Wow, you seem incredibly upset..

Well who wants to watch a bunch a scrub tes do nothing every week in the 11 and 12 passing formations. The offense is completely inept at passing and scoring against winners. Thats why they are losers and inept. It will be the same #82 led cowboys next year. Mark my word. I just dont want him to be the all time td leader for the Cowboys. He is undeserving of that legacy. His td highlights are a flat footed wide open checkdown pass for 3 yards when the defense blew the zone coverage in a blowout game. He doesnt draw any coverage so its all hype. He was never a dominant receiver after 6-7 years. Ive been tired of this for almost 10 yrs. When the season starts and there is a skilled player or 2 dominating 100% of the passing snaps at any skilled position and they got no talent as a receiver then you know youre #@$&'d. I follow and i listen on the radio and if a new te gets a nod like gathers i will watch him block his 3 plays and go back to the radio cus its all hype. They got no scorers to carry the scoring averges. Not at te they dont. And especially at the playoff level. Youre only as strong as the guys who can sore agaist good teams.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

If by "dog house," you mean continually praised by the staff for his toughness in playing through injury, then yes, he was in the dog house.

If you mean by continually **** on by the fans for playing through injury but having reduced production, then yes, he was in the dog house.

 

[big dog cowboy]

TYLER CLUTTS HAS AS MANY PLAYOFF TDS AS #82 LMAO. ITS PATHETIC THAT A 1 PLAYOFF TD WONDER CAN EVEN GET INTO THE HOF. THAT SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR THE TOP RECEIVING AND SCORING TES WHO DRAW DOUBLE AND TRIPLE COVERAGE

First of all, what in the heck are you yelling about?

Now a few facts about this future first ballot HOFer:

JWit is #4 on the NFL Receptions Career Leaders list
JWit is #2 in all-time career receptions and receiving yards by an NFL tight end, trailing only Tony Gonzalez
JWit is #5 for scoring TD's by a TE
JWit is #9 on this list - https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-greatest-tight-ends-nfl-history
JWit is #8 on this list - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...the-highest-peak-ever-heres-how-he-stacks-up/
2012 NFL Man Of The Year winner
2013 Bart Starr Award winner
11 time Pro Bowler

 

[CowboysExchange]

First of all, what in the heck are you yelling about?

Now a few facts about this future first ballot HOFer:

JWit is #4 on the NFL Receptions Career Leaders list
JWit is #2 in all-time career receptions and receiving yards by an NFL tight end, trailing only Tony Gonzalez
JWit is #5 for scoring TD's by a TE
JWit is #9 on this list - https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-greatest-tight-ends-nfl-history
JWit is #8 on this list - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...the-highest-peak-ever-heres-how-he-stacks-up/
2012 NFL Man Of The Year winner
2013 Bart Starr Award winner
11 time Pro Bowler

AND 1 PLAYOFF TD, AND 2 PLAYOFF WINS, Drawing NO TOP DEFENDERS OR DOUBLE TEAMS almost his entire career. Hes perfect when hes playing our division rivals but outside our local division hes a scrub who has piled up a bunch of longevity stats but has never caught a gamechanging pass in 10 years. Hes never won jack cuz hes scoreless against the best teams in football in the regular season. Outside of our local division and against winning teams he is subpar. I dont care if he caught a hundred passes a game the team around him cant win anything because he cant draw a top defender on a do or die play and he still cant produce beans. His stats are meaningless because they only came in non winning fashion. If he makes the hof its cuz he caught a bunch of flat footed passes that lost the game lol. Shoulda been throwing it to a guy who could win something.

The best tes in football could draw double and triple teams and score against anybody. Witten racks up all his stats against losing teams drawing the sorriest defenders every week and is usually just being contained not covered lmao. Great guy but not a superstar

 

[CowboysExchange]

Hes just a posession receiving te. I know there is more to the hof as a te than just being a receiver but how can he be a first ballot hof who doesnt even have the skillset to go up and get a ball and be a dominant scoring threat in the red zone(which is what the position should be about) he had a checkdown passing skilllset and a seam route skillset and very little deep ball abilities but yet is in on all the 3rd and 20s and prolly 1/2 of the hail marys. And then comes the OLD 3 yard completion on 3rd and 15. You take away all of that MULARKY and he couldnt hold a candle to Aaron Hernandez statwise. He should get in based upon character but not because he was a great receiver cuz he never could make any gamechanging plays that were in a winning fashion. It was always somebody elses responsibility to score to win the game. Cuz he NEVER HAD THE 50/50 SKILLSET TO BEAT TOP DEFENSERS OR DRAW DOUBLE OR TRIPLE COVERAGE AND THESE AWESOME STATS COST US 16 STRAIGHT YEARS WITHOUT A SUPERBOWL.

100% OF PASSING SNAPS
NO DEEP BALL SKILLSETS
NO SCORING ABILITY AGAINST GOOD TEAMS
SUBPAR RED ZONE RECEIVER
NO 50/50 GO UP AND GET A BALL SKILLS

I DONT THINK THOSE ARE COMPLETE RECEIVER SKILLSETS JUST A BUNCH OF CHECKDOWN PASSES AND AN OCCASIONAL SEAM ROUTE CATCH IN SOME BLOWOUR GAME AT HOME AGAINST OUR DIVISION

THE 4TH WR AND 2ND RB WERE BETTER OPTIONS EVERY YEAR ON 3RD DOWN AND LONG AND IN THE RED ZONE. HED GET HIS 4-5 TDS AGAINST SCRUBS WHILE THE DOMINATE TES WOULD GET 15 Drawing top defenders and double and triple teams. Lmao.
How many guys were covering you is the mark of a top receiver. He was defensed by containment half of the time and the scrub defender would make a mistake. Watch his tds last year. Does that look superstarish like a gronk kittle gates, or any top 10-15 te. Is produces a bunch of yards and completions in LOSING FASHION . very good but not even close to being a top receiver for his era never ever never. His checkdown style of receiving is trash because it doesnt win ya nothing and is subpar cuz theres no racs and losing ypc averages and scoring avgs

If you enjoy losing hes a 1st balloy hof for sure. Every time he played really well we'd lose cus he had no gamechanging abilitiesas a receiver

 

[JoeKing]

I saw this on another post and thought it was interesting that Dez and Cooper text each other. Dez has been rumored to the Saints and Cooper has been rumored to the Saints if not resigned by the Cowboys.

However, more important, they both have been rumored to sign with the Cowboys. It was interesting that Dez felled in the Garrett dog house just like Cooper felled in the Garrett dog house.

With the Clapper gone, could we see Dak throwing to Dez, Cooper, and Gallup eliminating any need for allowing Dallas to go into a different direction with locker room culture (see the hiring of Rob Davis)?

With the invention of social media, the whole civilized world is in communication. The rumor assumes Garrett was the barrier preventing Dez from returning to the team when in truth, it was the team captains like Sean Lee and Jason Witten who had issues with Dez's effect on the rest of the locker room that got Dez cut with Jerry's approval. We don't know yet if Lee or Witten will be back but Jerry is going nowhere and remembers the cancer he caused in the locker room. For that reason alone, Dez has no hope of ever being on this roster again. Cooper may very well be talking to Dez about returning to the Cowboys. You know Dez would be very responsive to that kind of talk. However, Cooper may not know the whole story of what got Dez cut. Obviously, many of the posters here don't remember this salient fact either or they would keep talking about it.

 

[JoeKing]

Cooper was never in a doghouse.

Neither was Dez. Dez’ play dropped off before his salary did. Which is why he’s out of work.

True but that ignores what really got Dez cut. The captains of the team where approached by Jerry about Dez because he was hearing rumors of Dez causing trouble in the locker room. Sean Lee and Jason Witten did not recommend he be retained. Romo may have been in that group too. But it was the locker room issues that were the final straw with Jerry's decision making to cut Dez. So Dez did get in the doghouse.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Dez spoke out about playing te over witten cuz he knows hes got those 50/50 skills and he was a dominant scoring threat against top defenders and had the racs plus he was the all time td leader and witten and him are battling that accolade.

He is prolly talking to cooper and both see this offense is too inept and predictable w #82 running that same y route that only drew containment cus he had no deep ball capabilities. Dez put up superstar #s and was a beast with ball in hand. And had he had a more talented te that could actually drawn some real coverage and had some great scoring ability in the red zone we may have won something.

 

[JoeKing]

Dez spoke out about playing te over witten cuz he knows hes got those 50/50 skills and he was a dominant scoring threat against top defenders and had the racs plus he was the all time td leader and witten and him are battling that accolade.

He is prolly talking to cooper and both see this offense is too inept and predictable w #82 running that same y route that only drew containment cus he had no deep ball capabilities

Yeah, I can see these players thinking outside their lanes like this. Dez still being a bad influence on other WRs and leading to their demise on this roster. Cooper would be wise to stay away from Dez. He's a cancerous personality that can get others fired if they start thinking as he does.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Yeah, I can see these players thinking outside their lanes like this. Dez still being a bad influence on other WRs and leading to their demise on this roster. Cooper would be wise to stay away from Dez. He's a cancerous personality that can get others fired if they start thinking as he does.

I dont think he was a bad influence. He just knows he was a superstar who was the top scoring threat in cowboys history and the one that voted him off the island is not worthy of that accolade. I feel sorry for Dez Bryant. He could outscore this whole receiving core just being spot played as a 4th wr in the red zone lol. Hes got the 50/50 skillsets and yacs that are missing at te every year. He knows he couldnt win with our 11&12 passing scheme with these tes

 

[gjkoeppen]

I saw this on another post and thought it was interesting that Dez and Cooper text each other. Dez has been rumored to the Saints and Cooper has been rumored to the Saints if not resigned by the Cowboys.

However, more important, they both have been rumored to sign with the Cowboys. It was interesting that Dez felled in the Garrett dog house just like Cooper felled in the Garrett dog house.

With the Clapper gone, could we see Dak throwing to Dez, Cooper, and Gallup eliminating any need for allowing Dallas to go into a different direction with locker room culture (see the hiring of Rob Davis)?

My first question is when did Cooper fall into a Garrett dog house? Second other than some fans here and some sportswriter who regularly during the off season write speculative articles to get clicks, have said that the Cowboys were thinking about signing Bryant in reality the only thing that the Cowboys have said is that Bryant contacted the Cowboys about coming back to the Cowboys. Lastly that locker room you mentioned now isn't a strong point for Bryant who the last couple of years in Dallas became a problem in the locker room. Oh ya there are a couple more things like Bryant's 2nd from his last season in Dallas he was a single drop away from leading the league in drops and his last season he DID lead the league in drops. He was never considered a fast receiver and at age 31 after an achilles injury has to be even slower. Also not having played for 2 complete seasons and after his last couple of seasons he did play was nothing but a one trick pony which that too must be in question after that acilles injury and his ability to still out jump corners. He is a completly free agent and could be signed by any team who would want him at any time yet there has been zero teams to even contact him. Why do you think that is? Because it doesn't matter what Bryant thinks he is or fans here thinks he still is, but what actual teams think of his value and right now it looks like just about zero. If those rumors about the saints wanting to sign Bryant were true they could sign him today if they really wanted him. Oh and the ONLY reason Bryant was with the saint in 2018 was because of injuries to their receivers and Bryant had been sitting unwanted until that week 10 of the 2018 season. Do you really think they are that interested in signing their emergency last resort receiver of 2018?
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[black label]

Too much info

 

[JoeKing]

I dont think he was a bad influence. He just knows he was a superstar who was the top scoring threat in cowboys history and the one that voted him off the island is not worthy of that accolade. I feel sorry for Dez Bryant. He could outscore this whole receiving core just being spot played as a 4th wr in the red zone lol. Hes got the 50/50 skillsets and yacs that are missing at te every year. He knows he couldnt win with our 11&12 passing scheme with these tes

It does not matter what you "think" his influence was or wasn't. The facts of course of events that got Dez cut have slowly leaked out over the years through interviews with the Joneses and several players. It's clear listening to you as a Dez sympathizer you want to ignore these facts that have leaked out and instead talk about how Dez thinks and feels and how you think and feel. Let's be honest here, In his prime, he was a good receiver but that's not the present Dez Bryant. And more importantly, his performance is not what got him cut. It was his negative influence in the locker room as reported to Jerry by the captains of the team that got him cut. Jerry is never going to reverse that decision.

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

First of all, what in the heck are you yelling about?

Now a few facts about this future first ballot HOFer:

JWit is #4 on the NFL Receptions Career Leaders list
JWit is #2 in all-time career receptions and receiving yards by an NFL tight end, trailing only Tony Gonzalez
JWit is #5 for scoring TD's by a TE
JWit is #9 on this list - https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-greatest-tight-ends-nfl-history
JWit is #8 on this list - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...the-highest-peak-ever-heres-how-he-stacks-up/
2012 NFL Man Of The Year winner
2013 Bart Starr Award winner
11 time Pro Bowler

You could say lot of his stats where in garbage time like Dak’s according many forum members.

 

[G2]

Dez spoke out about playing te over witten cuz he knows hes got those 50/50 skills and he was a dominant scoring threat against top defenders and had the racs plus he was the all time td leader and witten and him are battling that accolade.

He is prolly talking to cooper and both see this offense is too inept and predictable w #82 running that same y route that only drew containment cus he had no deep ball capabilities. Dez put up superstar #s and was a beast with ball in hand. And had he had a more talented te that could actually drawn some real coverage and had some great scoring ability in the red zone we may have won something.

That's NOT what he said, he said he could have a roll like Witten. Which means limited snaps and as a leader. Neither would happen.

 

[OmerV]

He didnt play 15 games cuz he got hurt and he had one 2 Yard td all season when the defender fell down. The entire te core had 1 td in 15 games. It was 2 seasons ago. The 11 AND 12 PERSONELL PASSING FORMATIONS ARE TRASH GOING ON 6 YEARS W THE HANNAS ESCOBARS SWAIMS AND WITTENS

Witten hasnt scored a td against a good defender, non division rival, or playoff caliber team in 5 plus years. He just takes what hes given. His 1 playoff td in 16 years with a top wr and rb is pathetic. He dominates passing snaps like a dominant receiving te but pitches a shutout when the game is on the line or the competition is above avg. Some act like he is serviceable but these tes need to be benched on every 3rd down passing play and in the red zone because they are inept at making game winning scores and all of their tds come in blowout games that have no IMPACT

Do you think capitalizing makes a better point?

In any case, you said "We left Swaim out there on every passing play and the Te core had 1 td in 15 games", so the wording suggested Swaim was part of all 15 games. In any case, you're right that the lack of quality at TE hurt that season, and as Witten aged the lack of quality depth hurt. We went into that 2018 season with a TE group that collectively had a total of 9 NFL receptions among them, all by Swaim. Of course, Jarwin got some experience and playing time late in the season, and he ended 2018 with 3 TD's. This In 2019 we had a more experience at TE and the TE group had 7 TDs. I suspect with Jarwin hopefully getting more playing time this coming season, and if we can add another solid TE, that number could go higher.

As for Dez, I don't see him as having the discipline to work within the confines of the TE position. From what I've read he really just wants to play a TE that splits out wide, which is really more of the kind of TE Jarwin is. What we need to compliment Jarwin is a TE who can function both as a receiver and an in line blocker.

 

[eromeopolk]

OK Dez communicates with Cooper and then gets the Super Bowl MVP and former league MVP to throw him passes.

Sammy Watkins was no.1 on the Cowboys free agent wish list 2 years ago. He signs with the Chiefs and all rumors point to his release or free agency. The Cowboys settle at WR 2 years ago after releasing Dez and eventually trade a no.1 pick for a no.1 WR in Amari Cooper who is a free agent like Dez.

Too many things are lining up. Cooper biggest game as a Raider was against the Chiefs (11-210 yds 2 TDs). Dez has Mahomes throwing him passes in a workout. The Chiefs have the biggest collection of ex Cowboys starting on defense.

Something is up.

 

[Redball Express]

Was Cooper really in the doghouse last season?

At the end of the year..yes.

He was on the sideline late in the game against Philly for our spot in the playoffs..

he was coming up belly-side up in away games..

appeared to have numerous injuries all year and never appeared healthy to me.

Bow wow.

Any sane fan should be wondering if bumping his salary to $16-18 mil/yr is worth it.

I am leery myself.

Between Dak and him, we are saying if we pay them, are we going to win SBs?

I think not, not if you pay both. History has said that top QBs do not need exclusively paid WRs to succeed. What usually happens is a great QB will elevate his WRs to elite performances via their play.

So if we pay Dak, let Amari get his money from someplace else.

Just my feeling.

 

[CowboysExchange]

You could say lot of his stats where in garbage time like Dak’s according many forum members.

The only tds he ever scored were against scrub teams in blowout games when the defender slipped on a banana peel. He should go into the hall of shame because he wouldnt come off the field on critical downs and those 3 yard checkdown passes on 3rd and 10 and non scoring ability in the red zone in losing fashion stats equate to why the Cowboys have gone nowhere in the 10 years under Garrett. He always came up short as a receiver in ypc and yacs and scoring and game changing plays. When the game or season was on the line he couldnt make any plays and we lost the games while he was on the field winning nothing. The only receptions he made were in LOSING FASHION. WHEN WE NEEDED A PLAY TO WIN THE GAME HED GO INTO HIBERNATION MODE. WHERE ARE ALL THOSE GAME WINNING PLAYS AND TD HIGHLIGHTS REELS AT? HE WAS A GOOD TE BUT NEVER A GREAT RECEIVER CUZ HE HAD NO DEEP BALL OR SCORING ABILITY WHEN THE GAME OR SEASON WAS ON THE LINE

 

[dstew60105]

I saw this on another post and thought it was interesting that Dez and Cooper text each other. Dez has been rumored to the Saints and Cooper has been rumored to the Saints if not resigned by the Cowboys.

However, more important, they both have been rumored to sign with the Cowboys. It was interesting that Dez felled in the Garrett dog house just like Cooper felled in the Garrett dog house.

With the Clapper gone, could we see Dak throwing to Dez, Cooper, and Gallup eliminating any need for allowing Dallas to go into a different direction with locker room culture (see the hiring of Rob Davis)?

Cooper isn't going to the Saints.