Dez - I looked Jerry right in his eyes and told him we won't ever win with coach Garrett

I won’t knock him for trying to make a play especially in the playoffs where this team lacked. He tried to score the touchdown because he didn’t have any faith we would. The read was good, the throw was good the catch was good. My issue was the timing of that throw. Yes Dez was single covered but he was single covered for most of that game. If I’m not mistaken it was 4th and 2 or 4th and 3. I’d prefer a less riskier throw and an easier catch then that on that down.

My point was Dez didn’t throw up on himself. He caught it.
The further I got away from "The non-Catch" play...a few things bother me:

- Did Romo really need to roll the dice on 4th and 2 with an erratic Dez? People call Dak "slow" but quite frankly, the best QBs have a TON of things to process before they throw the ball: Matchups, defensive, post-snap adjustments and...who should I trust in that moment. All of that in 2.3 seconds...only the best of the best can do this. For those who say, "Romo could process...blah, blah, blah..."...OK...then why throw a 30 yard ball on 4th and 2?

- Did Dez really need to try and score? This is what I meant in my earlier post about Dez thinking about making ESPN highlights instead of making the play. He did "too much". In that moment at that part of the game he needed to secure the ball most importantly...he already made a spectacular grab with a guy draped on him...a mature WR secures that ball.

So both the QB and WR were risk-takers who threw caution to the wind...and we got what we got.
 
I remain uncertain whether that team would have won or appeared in the Super Bowl that season with Bill Parcells. What I am almost totally certain is that:
  • Eli Manning would not have eviscerated the defense during that final drive of the first half--which proved to be the primary difference in the final score
  • Parcells would have done something before or even during the game that would have prevented Jacques Reeves from looking like the poster child of burnt toast.
Dallas should have reached the NFC Championship that season. The Giants proved to be legitimate Super Bowl contenders but that 47 second nonsense to close out the first half of the divisional game was utterly embarrassing for any defense. And that is something Parcells would have not tolerated.
Strahan said after the season - after playing us 3x that year and playing the Patriots 2x - that we were actually the tougher matchup. Even when factoring in the "division opponent" thing...the eye test - IMO - backs up your post.
 
The players know when a coach doesnt know his rear end from his elbow.

Not trying to get into a big debate on that play in this thread, but GB focused on taking away the "less risky" options, leaving the jump ball, 50/50 specialist receiver singled up. It was absolutely the right read and throw.

It is interesting that you won't knock Dez for trying to make a play, but you are in the same breath knocking Romo for trying to make a play.

BTW . Wouldn't it have been first and goal? With the best RB and second best rushing game in the league? An opportunity to deplete the clock on the way to taking the lead?

Dez had a clear history of always trying to squeeze every last inch out of every play. It is part of what made him great within his skillset, although it sometimes cost him. I guarantee you that was far more Dez being Dez than it was Dez thinking on the fly and deciding "I need to score here", as the play unfolded.
Is me saying I don’t like the timing of that throw knocking Romo? Romo didn’t call the play did he?
 
The further I got away from "The non-Catch" play...a few things bother me:

- Did Romo really need to roll the dice on 4th and 2 with an erratic Dez? People call Dak "slow" but quite frankly, the best QBs have a TON of things to process before they throw the ball: Matchups, defensive, post-snap adjustments and...who should I trust in that moment. All of that in 2.3 seconds...only the best of the best can do this. For those who say, "Romo could process...blah, blah, blah..."...OK...then why throw a 30 yard ball on 4th and 2?

- Did Dez really need to try and score? This is what I meant in my earlier post about Dez thinking about making ESPN highlights instead of making the play. He did "too much". In that moment at that part of the game he needed to secure the ball most importantly...he already made a spectacular grab with a guy draped on him...a mature WR secures that ball.

So both the QB and WR were risk-takers who threw caution to the wind...and we got what we got.
I agree. As time passes I don’t know why that throw happened or why Dez did what he did. Just too much risk.
 
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I don't fault Dez for trying to score either but at the same time you have to know the situation. 4th and 3, just secure the ball. It'd be one thing if this was some obscure rule never in the press before like the tuck rule, but he himself had been snared by this rule the season before at the Giants. Did he need to be reminded by Romo in the huddle that he needed to just grab the ball and go down? I get the competitive spirit but this team has never been good in high drama, heat of the moment type situations. This is why Detroit tried what they tried a few seasons ago because we have a reputation for folding in high pressure situations.
I agree. Dez should’ve played that much safer than he did. Worry about the catch.
 
I remain uncertain whether that team would have won or appeared in the Super Bowl that season with Bill Parcells. What I am almost totally certain is that:
  • Eli Manning would not have eviscerated the defense during that final drive of the first half--which proved to be the primary difference in the final score
  • Parcells would have done something before or even during the game that would have prevented Jacques Reeves from looking like the poster child of burnt toast.
Dallas should have reached the NFC Championship that season. The Giants proved to be legitimate Super Bowl contenders but that 47 second nonsense to close out the first half of the divisional game was utterly embarrassing for any defense. And that is something Parcells would have not tolerated.
Agreed. I think at the very least , they would have been more disciplined. Which I believe is part of your point. 4 plays that could/ would have changed the game:

Fasano not dropping the TD pass
Reeves as you mentioned
Crayton dropping that huge 3rd down pass at the end of the 3rd
Crayton hesitated on the second to last play of the game

And a bonus 5th, I don’t think aware was offside on n the beginning of the game that gave them a 3rd down. I believe they scored on that drive. They would have punted. But that was in the beginning, so
 
The further I got away from "The non-Catch" play...a few things bother me:

- Did Romo really need to roll the dice on 4th and 2 with an erratic Dez? People call Dak "slow" but quite frankly, the best QBs have a TON of things to process before they throw the ball: Matchups, defensive, post-snap adjustments and...who should I trust in that moment. All of that in 2.3 seconds...only the best of the best can do this. For those who say, "Romo could process...blah, blah, blah..."...OK...then why throw a 30 yard ball on 4th and 2?

- Did Dez really need to try and score? This is what I meant in my earlier post about Dez thinking about making ESPN highlights instead of making the play. He did "too much". In that moment at that part of the game he needed to secure the ball most importantly...he already made a spectacular grab with a guy draped on him...a mature WR secures that ball.

So both the QB and WR were risk-takers who threw caution to the wind...and we got what we got.
you have to be kidding right?

That play was Romo/Dez bread and butter.

What your definition of when it's "right" to "take a risk".

Let me guess...wrong when it fails.
 
I recall Garrett going to bat for Dez a few times but Dez seems to have a problem with Garrett. He’s taken a number of shots at him over the years. Maybe Garrett was the reason the Cowboys moved on from Dez.
 
Is me saying I don’t like the timing of that throw knocking Romo? Romo didn’t call the play did he?
Ya see?

I am not trying to start anything with you but damn, man. You're pulling the same old tricks.

You actually very clearly are using a double standard. You "don't like the timing of that throw" which is just another way to say you don't like that Romo tried to make something happen, or in other words, you are knocking him for "trying to make a play, especially in the playoffs". That is a direct quote from you.

The play was obviously sent in, but Dez wasn't the primary. Romo read the coverage and made the call to go against the intended design and hit the guy on the outside who was primarily intended to decoy coverage away from the safer short/middle routes.

That's not an opinion. Came straight from the horses mouth.

My goodness.
 
Ya see?

I am not trying to start anything with you but damn, man. You're pulling the same old tricks.

You actually very clearly are using a double standard. You "don't like the timing of that throw" which is just another way to say you don't like that Romo tried to make something happen, or in other words, you are knocking him for "trying to make a play, especially in the playoffs". That is a direct quote from you.

The play was obviously sent in, but Dez wasn't the primary. Romo read the coverage and made the call to go against the intended design and hit the guy on the outside who was primarily intended to decoy coverage away from the safer short/middle routes.

That's not an opinion. Came straight from the horses mouth.

My goodness.
You took it however you want to. I don’t like the timing of that throw. I don’t like that play call on 4th and 3. If you take that as a slight towards Romo so be it. I don’t like Dez’s attempt at a touchdown over trying to seal the first down either.
 
I recall Garrett going to bat for Dez a few times but Dez seems to have a problem with Garrett. He’s taken a number of shots at him over the years. Maybe Garrett was the reason the Cowboys moved on from Dez.
I think it’s misplaced anger honestly but that’s just based on what’s been reported. Dez probably knows more than us of course but I think ultimately Jerry caused him more turbulence then anyone but he loves him.
 
Ya see?

I am not trying to start anything with you but damn, man. You're pulling the same old tricks.

You actually very clearly are using a double standard. You "don't like the timing of that throw" which is just another way to say you don't like that Romo tried to make something happen, or in other words, you are knocking him for "trying to make a play, especially in the playoffs". That is a direct quote from you.

The play was obviously sent in, but Dez wasn't the primary. Romo read the coverage and made the call to go against the intended design and hit the guy on the outside who was primarily intended to decoy coverage away from the safer short/middle routes.

That's not an opinion. Came straight from the horses mouth.

My goodness.
Good luck with that one. lol. Don't forget to bring some carrots.
 
I remain uncertain whether that team would have won or appeared in the Super Bowl that season with Bill Parcells. What I am almost totally certain is that:
  • Eli Manning would not have eviscerated the defense during that final drive of the first half--which proved to be the primary difference in the final score
  • Parcells would have done something before or even during the game that would have prevented Jacques Reeves from looking like the poster child of burnt toast.
Dallas should have reached the NFC Championship that season. The Giants proved to be legitimate Super Bowl contenders but that 47 second nonsense to close out the first half of the divisional game was utterly embarrassing for any defense. And that is something Parcells would have not tolerated.
Im convinced that if BP stays 3 more years we at least appear in a SB

Romo had the talent he just needed someone to push him hard enough and not allow him to settle
 
And I looked the Chiefs owner right in his eyes, through my laptop, and I told him he would never win with Marty Schottenheimer.
 
You took it however you want to. I don’t like the timing of that throw. I don’t like that play call on 4th and 3. If you take that as a slight towards Romo so be it.
You didn't say the following?
Romo should’ve never threw it to begin with.

I won’t knock him (Dez) for trying to make a play especially in the playoffs where this team lacked.
Who on earth is not going to interpret those comments as contradictory in their overall sentiment? You literally didn't blame Dez for trying to make a play then blamed Romo for trying to make a play. It's right there in black and white.

And I never said anything about slighting Romo. That's just you and your tricks. There is a name for that you know.

Fascinating how you chose to ignore all the other relevant points about the play call.

I took it the way you stated it. If you didn't mean to say what you said you shouldn't have said it.
 
You didn't say the following?



Who on earth is not going to interpret those comments as contradictory in their overall sentiment? You literally didn't blame Dez for trying to make a play then blamed Romo for trying to make a play. It's right there in black and white.

And I never said anything about slighting Romo. That's just you and your tricks. There is a name for that you know.

Fascinating how you chose to ignore all the other relevant points about the play call.

I took it the way you stated it. If you didn't mean to say what you said you shouldn't have said it.
I remember Romo saying that to him, that was the best throw of his career. Weather the decision to go to Dez was right or wrong, it was a catch and should have counted, then the narrative would be totally different. But, I consider who you are chatting with.
 
You didn't say the following?



Who on earth is not going to interpret those comments as contradictory in their overall sentiment? You literally didn't blame Dez for trying to make a play then blamed Romo for trying to make a play. It's right there in black and white.

And I never said anything about slighting Romo. That's just you and your tricks. There is a name for that you know.

Fascinating how you chose to ignore all the other relevant points about the play call.

I took it the way you stated it. If you didn't mean to say what you said you shouldn't have said it.
I don’t think he should’ve threw a deep pass to Dez on 4th and 3,
 

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