Dez Specific or Primary Read Specific?

[PhillySpecial]

I see a lot of posts saying that with Dez gone, Dak will have the choice of throwing to the open WR. But, there's a but.

And here it is:

Dez was the best WR on the Cowboys. So it seems logical that he would be the primary on a lot of plays.

Was Dak throwing (or wanting to throw) to the primary target on the play?
If Dak was targeting the primary, it wouldn't have mattered if it was Dez or somebody else. If it would have been John Doe playing the X position, then John Doe would have been highly targeted.

Are the coaches strict about going through progressions according to play design?

Was Dak allowed to determine the primary based on what the defense was showing?

Dak could help a receiver get a little more separation by not making the primary his first look. He could give his first look to another receiver, pump fake, and then look to the primary read.




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[big dog cowboy]

I see a lot of posts saying that with Dez gone, Dak will have the choice of throwing to the open WR. But, there's a but.

And here it is:

Dez was the best WR on the Cowboys.

There is no but about it. With his dimished skills and terrible route running I'm not completely sold that Dez was the best WR on the team. Cowboy Nation was getting sick and tired of watching the forced passes to Dez. Now there is WR corp of route running specialists. That alone makes Dak a better QB.

 

[PhillySpecial]

There is no but about it. With his dimished skills and terrible route running I'm not completely sold that Dez was the best WR on the team. Cowboy Nation was getting sick and tired of watching the forced passes to Dez. Now there is WR corp of route running specialists. That alone makes Dak a better QB.

Was Dez being targeted so often because:

He was Dez Bryant?
or
Because he was the primary for a lot of plays?

 

[ESisback]

There is no but about it. With his dimished skills and terrible route running I'm not completely sold that Dez was the best WR on the team. Cowboy Nation was getting sick and tired of watching the forced passes to Dez. Now there is WR corp of route running specialists. That alone makes Dak a better QB.

I agree, especially the last two sentences.

 

[ESisback]

Was Dez being targeted so often because:

He was Dez Bryant?
or
Because he was the primary for a lot of plays?

Probably a little of both!

 

[Jipper]

I think it was a mental thing for dak....knowing if he didn't throw it to dez enough he was going to have to hear it....

 

[Proximo]

Was Dez being targeted so often because:

He was Dez Bryant?
or
Because he was the primary for a lot of plays?

A little from column A and a little from column B.

I’ve heard the phrase “Dez is open even when he’s “not” open”. I’m sure Dak heard it more.

Dez has not been “Dez” for awhile. 2014 was his moment. 2015 we had sketchy QB play.

2016 (near the end) he seemed to be catching on with Dak.

2017- he’s not who he once was.

2018- unemployed with no suitors.


And I’ve always been a Dez supporter. But we gotta be real. Dak was throwing to Dez in 2017 thinking it was 2014 Dez. 2014 Dez doesn’t exist.

 

[cern]

Garrett was placating dez by ensuring he was thrown to often. No doubt dak had to go along with it. The coddling failed. Stephen saw enough and removed the tumor with surgical precision.

 

[jazzcat22]

I see a lot of posts saying that with Dez gone, Dak will have the choice of throwing to the open WR. But, there's a but.

And here it is:

Dez was the best WR on the Cowboys. So it seems logical that he would be the primary on a lot of plays.

Was Dak throwing (or wanting to throw) to the primary target on the play?
If Dak was targeting the primary, it wouldn't have mattered if it was Dez or somebody else. If it would have been John Doe playing the X position, then John Doe would have been highly targeted.

Are the coaches strict about going through progressions according to play design?

Was Dak allowed to determine the primary based on what the defense was showing?

Dak could help a receiver get a little more separation by not making the primary his first look. He could give his first look to another receiver, pump fake, and then look to the primary read.




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Thanks a lot for setting off all the Dez haters again, so they can spout their angst over and over in another, like the 50th 20 page thread.

And my take, it was more a combination on Dak and the play calling. As well a banged up OL and the entire Zeke fiasco and bogus suspension. That was a huge distraction. More so than it was on Dez. And if he was forcing passes to Dez, then it was Dak’s own fault for doing so. Dez morning the coaches ask him or told him to do so.

And why was he forcing them this past season, when he didn’t the year before. No one was whining the year before, so it seemed.

We have fans that whine about how a player farts.

 

[jazzcat22]

There is no but about it. With his dimished skills and terrible route running I'm not completely sold that Dez was the best WR on the team. Cowboy Nation was getting sick and tired of watching the forced passes to Dez. Now there is WR corp of route running specialists. That alone makes Dak a better QB.

Then is is Dak’s fault he was throwing the passes. He is the decision maker, as the ball is in on hands. It is not on Dez.

And it is yet to be seen if these new WR’s are route running specialists. Have to be seen on the field, I am not taking any posters or mediot word for it.

But if they truly are great at route running, and It doesn’t work, then maybe it really is Dak.
What will be the excuses then, who will be the whipping boy then?

 

[jazzcat22]

Garrett was placating dez by ensuring he was thrown to often. No doubt dak had to go along with it. The coddling failed. Stephen saw enough and removed the tumor with surgical precision.

Again it is Dak’s decision, I don’t think he was throwing it to him to appease Garrett. And Garrett doesn’t have the balls to over ride playing calling when Dak is throwing it 8 times inside the 5, to run Zeke instead. Then why would he tell Dak to throw it to Dez.

This to me, is all on Dak to decide.
If Garrett was placating Dez, then he really needs to be fired.

 

[cern]

Again it is Dak’s decision, I don’t think he was throwing it to him to appease Garrett. And Garrett doesn’t have the balls to over ride playing calling when Dak is throwing it 8 times inside the 5, to run Zeke instead. Then why would he tell Dak to throw it to Dez.

This to me, is all on Dak to decide.
If Garrett was placating Dez, then he really needs to be fired.

I agree on Garrett.

 

[MWH1967]

this is a case of DRKG's

 

[xwalker]

I see a lot of posts saying that with Dez gone, Dak will have the choice of throwing to the open WR. But, there's a but.

And here it is:

Dez was the best WR on the Cowboys. So it seems logical that he would be the primary on a lot of plays.

Was Dak throwing (or wanting to throw) to the primary target on the play?
If Dak was targeting the primary, it wouldn't have mattered if it was Dez or somebody else. If it would have been John Doe playing the X position, then John Doe would have been highly targeted.

Are the coaches strict about going through progressions according to play design?

Was Dak allowed to determine the primary based on what the defense was showing?

Dak could help a receiver get a little more separation by not making the primary his first look. He could give his first look to another receiver, pump fake, and then look to the primary read.
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Good question.

I've posted before that they forced the primary read onto Dak and that just by letting him determine the primary read, they could have had more success.

The biggest issue is that they coached Dak to wait longer on Dez to come open than he waited on other WRs before moving to the next read. On many plays that meant he waited on Dez and eventually had to just throw the ball away.

It is not always good for the QB to change the primary target, but based on defensive alignment/match-ups is should be an option. There is a reason a specific receiver is the 1st read in a play design. The routes are organized such that the 2nd read should be getting open at about the time the QB should have progressed to that read.

 

[G2]

Dez is no longer coveted. The excuses and finger pointing can finally stop. We were fine without Dez in the past and will be fine moving forward.
He simply wasn't worth the salary amount in relation to his performance.
And I'm not talking about all of the QB excuses. Enough of the timing of release excuses. I'm talking about the opportunities Dez had and failed to perform. Drops, turnovers and overall attitude are why he's unemployed.

 

[Tangle_Foot]

At this point Dez is just a boring read

 

[jazzcat22]

At this point Dez is just a boring read

Dez is gone, but some on here can’t let it go. I think it was a mistake. But I am ready to move forward, and I am a Dez fan.
Just wish TC would get here. However, I bet the anti Dez crowd will try to compare and still won’t let it go.

 

[Quickdraw]

There is no but about it. With his dimished skills and terrible route running I'm not completely sold that Dez was the best WR on the team. Cowboy Nation was getting sick and tired of watching the forced passes to Dez. Now there is WR corp of route running specialists. That alone makes Dak a better QB.

I wasn't completely sold on Dez when he got that huge contract. In fact, I felt the Cowboys should have let him go. However, there is another problem that may have hurt Dez and that is the fact that I do not feel this coaching staff coaches to the strengths of many of the players. Dez may have been able to learn how to be a slot receiver, but many of his routes were on the outside.

I still don't think he was worth the money but he may have been more productive running different routes.

 

[glimmerman]

His rookie year Dak threw to the open WR. When asked why he wasn’t going to Dez as much he said if he gets open then he will throw it to him.

Last year it looked like he was forcing the ball to him. I think it was the staff wanting to get the ball to Dez. Likely to get him in the game. Once he gets the ball he is hard to bring down.

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

Was Dez being targeted so often because:

He was Dez Bryant?
or
Because he was the primary for a lot of plays?

Because he was making a deal about getting the ball. He wanted to be targeted and I think the coaches had directed Dak to give it to him (he was supposedly our #1 and best talent) . Whatever the case the chemistry was terrible. All one had to do was watch the games and see the ball was being forced to him. With him gone and no specific #1 then I think Dak gets to go through his reads / get the ball to the open guy.

Make sense?