Did Sunday night change your opinion of Romo?

[JBond]

Am I the only one that believes Romo would be damn near unstoppable in a west coast style offense?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I really, really hate it when someone puts words in my mouth. I am quite capable of articulating my thoughts without using nuisance.

Let's start with one amazing thing you just wrote. You said, "Again, his individual stats do point to individual greatness. However, as the dastardly NFL measures things, the Super Bowl is the prize."

You observation just shows the bias toward the Cowboys, and Romo, like Danny White before him suffers from that bias. How else would an average WR like Chris Carter, with no SB win, be in the HOF and an All Decade of the 70's player, Drew Pearson, with a SB ring, not be? It Cowboy hatred, pure and simple.

Then there is this type of insanity:

Romo was criticized in this seasons Detroit game the Cowboys lost 31-30. Romo's defense allowed 24 points in the 4th quarter. Tony led the offense to 17 points in that 4th quarter. In a point of fact, Dallas had a 10 point lead with 11 minutes to go in the game, scored another 10 points and still lost. What we heard is how Tony missed some pass or held the ball too long. Mostly in the 1st or 2nd quarter. I guess you answer is they lost so Tony sucks? It also points our something I have been saying for years. Until the Cowboy's defense is fixed, they will never win another playoff game.

Think about the above. Romo's defense allowed 24 points in the 4th quarter. Now contrast that to this: Eli Manning and the Giants won a SB in 2011. They played 4 playoff/SB games in their run. The Giants defense allowed 2-20-17-17 points in those games. Now tell me again that stats don't tell a story?

Mein gott! Don't get your hedgerow in a bustle!
My premise is this: Romo's stats point to an often great level of play. In the real world, individual stats fall way behind an actual playoff win or the Super Bowl. At least in my universe.

Of course, Romo's stats, sans playoff success, might mean ever thing to others.

 

[perrykemp]

How else would an average WR like Chris Carter, with no SB win, be in the HOF and an All Decade of the 70's player, Drew Pearson, with a SB ring, not be? It Cowboy hatred, pure and simple.

I think I get the point you were trying to make, however, calling Chris Carter an average WR doesn't compute for me.

 

[beevomav]

I think I get the point you were trying to make, however, calling Chris Carter an average WR doesn't compute for me.

He played a long time and had OK numbers but the point was he never played on a championship team and yet he gets in and Drew doesn't? That doesn't compute with me..

 

[CT Dal Fan]

He played a long time and had OK numbers but the point was he never played on a championship team and yet he gets in and Drew doesn't? That doesn't compute with me..

Cris Carter had outstanding numbers, not just OK numbers. Championships can't be considered when you put WR's in the Hall. If so, we can make a case for Alvin Harper. I DO agree with you that Drew Pearson had a HOF worthy career, but with less than 8,000 career receiving yards and less than 50 TD's, the stat guys won't factor in he played in a different era.

 

[beevomav]

Mein gott! Don't get your hedgerow in a bustle!
My premise is this: Romo's stats point to an often great level of play. In the real world, individual stats fall way behind an actual playoff win or the Super Bowl. At least in my universe.

Of course, Romo's stats, sans playoff success, might mean ever thing to others.

Romo has had a couple of rough outings..but he is not alone..That is what matters. Yet we continue to focus on Tony and ignore everything else. It's like everyone has given up on the defense and expects Tony to put up games like Denver every week. The opposition has figured out this offense. Double Witten and Dez and pressure Romo. One would think, sooner or later, the OC would figure this out..

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Romo has had a couple of rough outings..but he is not alone..That is what matters. Yet we continue to focus on Tony and ignore everything else. It's like everyone has given up on the defense and expects Tony to put up games like Denver every week. The opposition has figured out this offense. Double Witten and Dez and pressure Romo. One would think, sooner or later, the OC would figure this out..

There is a lot in what you say Me I think it is a confluence of several factors: Romo's gunslingin style, poor game strategy, injuries, an O line that is a work in progress and yes, double coverage on Dez and even Witten.

Forgive me and my fellow forumites in being rough on Tony because the QB is the leader, the field general. If he does good he gets the glory and not the O line and receivers. If he does poorly he get the blame. All of it. Been like that for a long time. Sorry romo gets the brunt of criticism but he is the leader.

 

[mrmojo]

He played a long time and had OK numbers but the point was he never played on a championship team and yet he gets in and Drew doesn't? That doesn't compute with me..

I agree with you, during that era you had Jerry Rice, Michael Irvin, Tim Brown, Shannon Sharpe, James Lofton, Art Monk.....just dont see Cris Carter in that group. Drew has made some of the most memorable plays in NFL history and is the definition of clutch....it's a shame he is not even considered.

 

[Redball Express]

Same opinion, good QB but has never proven to me he is a BIG game QB who could consistently get you into the playoffs and win you championships. I was hoping he could have made a statement last night and change my opinion because I so want him to shut up his critics, including me. But again it didn't happen and I don't know if it ever will, his window is staring to close and without any post season success his legacy will be just below Danny White..... IMO.

This.

 

[big dog cowboy]

First time ever I thought about drafting a qb.

A lot of chatter about that last April after the draft. The feeling was a 2nd round QB wouldn't be a shocker.

 

[beevomav]

There is a lot in what you say Me I think it is a confluence of several factors: Romo's gunslingin style, poor game strategy, injuries, an O line that is a work in progress and yes, double coverage on Dez and even Witten.

Forgive me and my fellow forumites in being rough on Tony because the QB is the leader, the field general. If he does good he gets the glory and not the O line and receivers. If he does poorly he get the blame. All of it. Been like that for a long time. Sorry romo gets the brunt of criticism but he is the leader.

Can't remember the last time Romo got glory..Seems there is an asterisk to everything he does?

 

[beevomav]

Cris Carter had outstanding numbers, not just OK numbers. Championships can't be considered when you put WR's in the Hall. If so, we can make a case for Alvin Harper. I DO agree with you that Drew Pearson had a HOF worthy career, but with less than 8,000 career receiving yards and less than 50 TD's, the stat guys won't factor in he played in a different era.

Only guy on the All Decade team of the '70 was Drew Pearson. He played on a team that just didn't throw the ball much, but he was as clutch as it gets.

 

[dupree89]

Forgive me and my fellow forumites in being rough on Tony because the QB is the leader, the field general. If he does good he gets the glory and not the O line and receivers. If he does poorly he get the blame. All of it. Been like that for a long time. Sorry romo gets the brunt of criticism but he is the leader.

Thats correct! I have seen some references to "the entire 46 man active roster had a bad game". Well, when the entire roster starts spreading around Jerry's money equally, then the blame will be spread around.

 

[DuceizBak]

why they don't move dez to the slot more is just silly..I know i'm not trying to be off topic..but it's really ridiculous.

 

[Frozen700]

A lot of chatter about that last April after the draft. The feeling was a 2nd round QB wouldn't be a shocker.

Yeah I think it's time we pick one up.....Romo has maybe 2 more years if that.

would be great if we hit big on a guy like case keenum type.

I wouldn't even mind using a 1st on a qb, especially if we miss the playoffs

 

[odog422]

Romo is not the problem. He has been let down in a big way by a directionless, mismanaged team and plugged into a crap offense by an unqualified OC/HC who has done nothing to support his QB, including blaming him (and anyone but himself) when things go wrong. Which for a perenially 500 team is all the time. I so miss the slim, coached up, ball out quick Romo that Parcells brought on the scene. Romo's current offense doesn't allow this type of play. So much emphasis on pre-snap reads and shifts to try to get the perfect play because the offense is such crap, that most of the successful plays in the passing game are the result of Romo's extending the play. Now he's been beat up because the offense is such crap there is no routine ability to get a pass out quickly because the p*** poor design does not regularly get our receivers open, so Romo holds and holds... Get your ribs broken enough and your back busted and you will start to either force things or shrink when perhaps you don't need to.

Romo plays a role in the problems, no doubt. Everybody bears some responsibility for their on-field performance. But Parcells said you have to coach him through the game. All that means is what it says. For what he brings, you accept that and go forward. Unfortunately, with garrett as his OC/HC, hasn't, doesn't and won't happen. But garrett will adjust his headset, clap like hell and spit. It's the crap offense, and has been since garrett took sole ownership of it.

 

[ufcrules1]

Romo has had a couple of rough outings..but he is not alone..That is what matters. Yet we continue to focus on Tony and ignore everything else.

This is nonsense. Fans have blasted this team in every way possible. Putting blame on the defense, coaching staff, Jerry, offense, and Romo. Fans aren't just blaming Romo. I'm easily Romo's biggest critic here and even I don't just blame him. Never have and never will... But you better believe he deserves "SOME" of the blame for our offense looking like crap. Lets all just be honest with ourselves about that.

 

[waving monkey]

Just curious.

To the Romo lovers, did it change your opinion of him as a top-tier QB?

To the Romo critics: Did it make you more convinced he's an up and down QB, i.e. inconsistent or even overrated when facing cupcakes?

To those inbetween: Did the game sway you one way or ther other?

As a sun shine pumper it has put me in a tail spin about the entire organization

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

As a sun shine pumper it has put me in a tail spin about the entire organization

Exactly. You nailed it as well: the entire organization.
Callahan with bone-headed game plans, Jason with is mellow leadership, Romo the inconsistent (does he half more control or doesn't he? If he does, he is failing in his new role) and players around him who seem to be on cruise control. That's not even mentioning the NFL's worst defense.

Tony is not the main reason we are mediocre but he is a big part of it.