Didn't know if this had been posted (Terry Glenn Watch)

[Gryphon]

Terry Glenn Watch --
Wed Jun 25, 2008 --from FFMastermind.com

Dallas Morning News' Jean-Jacques Taylor believes Cowboys WR Terry Glenn has played his last game for the team and doesn't believe he'll play this season for anyone.

 

[TheSport78]

Terry Glenn Watch --
Wed Jun 25, 2008 --from FFMastermind.com

Dallas Morning News' Jean-Jacques Taylor believes Cowboys WR Terry Glenn has played his last game for the team and doesn't believe he'll play this season for anyone.

And I believe in the Easter Bunny...who cares what JJT thinks because more than half the time he turns out to be wrong anyway lol.

 

[sago1]

And superstar sports writer JJTaylor makes that statement based on exactly what.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Sorry guys--but, I believe JJT is right on this one........based on what I have read in the Zone!

 

[CATCH17]

I think JJT is pretty well liked around Valley Ranch.

If he comes out and says something like that I wouldn't totally dismiss it.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Way to out there on a limb JJT.

Like I stated in the other TG thread, I'd rather go with one of the young guys.

 

[Doomsday101]

I hope Glenn can make it but I would not be surprised if he can't go. It is a degenerative condition and it is not going to get better if anything the wear and tear of a training camp and 16 game reg seasons is going to be hard for him to overcome.

 

[BigDave95]

If this were really true, he'd sign that new offer sheet in a heartbeat. If he can't play because of the knee, he'd get $500K.

If he can't play anywhere and doesn't sign the contract, he'll get cut and get nothing from anyone.

 

[Doomsday101]

If this were really true, he'd sign that new offer sheet in a heartbeat. If he can't play because of the knee, he'd get $500K.

If he can't play anywhere and doesn't sign the contract, he'll get cut and get nothing from anyone.

That is the dilemma here: Because Glenn had torn articular cartilage from behind the right kneecap removed during last summer's second arthroscopic surgery and because he has been playing with the torn PCL suffered while in Green Bay - a bad combination, I'm told - you just never know.

Could be playing today, retired tomorrow.

And here is why, as simply explained as my medically-limited mind allows: When torn articular cartilage is removed, that means something that should be there is missing. That means there is a divot in what should be the cushion between your leg bones joining behind the kneecap. Well, the more activity you have the higher percentage the friction in there will cause the existing divot to enlarge, which definitely is not good, or possibly cause another piece of the cartilage to break off, which would be terrible.

Glenn can run all he wants. He can further strengthen his quad all he can. The Cowboys can limit his participation to the bare minimum for the remainder of the off-season, during training camp and even if they get him into the season, all helping to increase his odds of playing at least another season.

But one misstep, one hard plant, possibly even just a normal stride on a go-route, and all can go for naught. That's how delicate this situation is and will continue to be.

Only microfracture surgery has a chance of helping Glenn's degenerative knee, but he rolled the dice last year, hoping that prolonging his potential availability would land him in a Super Bowl. That didn't work out quite so well, and why you probably saw the postgame scene of Glenn lingering on the bench at Texas Stadium long after the Giants eliminated the Cowboys in that playoff game, 21-17. Ah, the best-laid plans.

But to have the surgery now, which he likely needs anyway if he is to have a chance at having a sound knee for the remainder of his life, would certainly end this season and possibly his career. Remember, rehab on a micrcofracture is a year's time. That means this season is out and that he would be trying to restart his career in 2009, at nearly 35 years old, without any guarantees. What are the odds?

Now this outlook will certainly continue to frustrate most, because you guys have been looking for a cut-and-dried answer: Yes Glenn will play, no Glenn will not play, and as you can see either is a rather impossible declaration, not now and who knows, maybe not even until the end of training camp after Glenn has actually played some football.

Even at that, good the first of September doesn't necessarily guarantee good through November. The situation is that fragile.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

JJT has been right more than wrong when it's involving player dealings. I think Glenn might be gone as well.

 

[jobberone]

Does TG have a torn PCL or is it completely disrupted? If not destroyed what is the amount of damage to it if any? How much cartilage was removed? Has he been on anything to help with cartilage loss? What does his knee look like now? Is he having pain? Swelling? Redness? Heat? Is he running without discomfort? What is his exam like? How much weight is he lifting with that leg? What kind of numbers do you get in PT? What did his last arthroscopy look like? How much meds is he on, what kind, and how's that going?

We don't know much except he's running and cutting at full speed without problems. If you can believe that. Which I do for what that's worth. We have almost no data to make any prognosis.

For the umpteenth time we are going to have to wait and see. He will sign the contract sooner or later IMO. Jerry may do a little more but at some point it will be sign or don't sign. And TG will sign unless he can get a trade somewhere which is highly unlikely. He's too competitive and has worked too hard to get to where he is for him to stop. JMO. And the possibility of playing for a SB ring should tilt him if he's thinking about retiring. Unless of course his knee is bad enough to make him retire.

Patience Grasshopper.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Terry Glenn Watch --
Wed Jun 25, 2008 --from FFMastermind.com

Dallas Morning News' Jean-Jacques Taylor believes Cowboys WR Terry Glenn has played his last game for the team and doesn't believe he'll play this season for anyone.

Not exactly predicting the Dow on 8-19-2008 is he?

 

[Doomsday101]

Does TG have a torn PCL or is it completely disrupted? If not destroyed what is the amount of damage to it if any? How much cartilage was removed? Has he been on anything to help with cartilage loss? What does his knee look like now? Is he having pain? Swelling? Redness? Heat? Is he running without discomfort? What is his exam like? How much weight is he lifting with that leg? What kind of numbers do you get in PT? What did his last arthroscopy look like? How much meds is he on, what kind, and how's that going?

We don't know much except he's running and cutting at full speed without problems. If you can believe that. Which I do for what that's worth. We have almost no data to make any prognosis.

For the umpteenth time we are going to have to wait and see. He will sign the contract sooner or later IMO. Jerry may do a little more but at some point it will be sign or don't sign. And TG will sign unless he can get a trade somewhere which is highly unlikely. He's too competitive and has worked too hard to get to where he is for him to stop. JMO. And the possibility of playing for a SB ring should tilt him if he's thinking about retiring. Unless of course his knee is bad enough to make him retire.

Patience Grasshopper.

We do know from last years that Glenn was given the option of the microfracture surgery and he opted not to (I understand his reason) so the problem he has is not corrected and is not going to get better. He may be able to run on it but it is a long season and that type of injury will continue to give him problems. I hope the best for Glenn but the odds are not great that even if he plays that he can do so at the same effectiveness and over the course of the season.

 

[Stash]

I think he's right and I think the team needs to look for another option.

Even waiting and hoping for something that's not going to happen.

Time to move on.

 

[Cowboys2008]

Ha, I thought we came on this "watch" all the way back in last season around the 10-11 game straight he had missed after us giving him $5m bonus last summer.

And if we didn't, we sure should have. We are the Dallas Cowboys afterall, not a charity. We don't run the Broken-Lagged Kids of Parcells Charity Fund.

 

[jobberone]

We do know from last years that Glenn was given the option of the microfracture surgery and he opted not to (I understand his reason) so the problem he has is not corrected and is not going to get better. He may be able to run on it but it is a long season and that type of injury will continue to give him problems. I hope the best for Glenn but the odds are not great that even if he plays that he can do so at the same effectiveness and over the course of the season.

That's not entirely true about not getting better but you'd be right much more often than wrong. Can't argue about the cartilage problem. But as I've said before, the problem is just not cartilage. With a problem you're going to get a proliferative synovitis. Unless you've scoped a knee or at least seen it you wouldn't believe how much synovium there can be in there. So one problem creates more problems.

The bottom line is this is not a problem of stability. He isn't going to worsen any ligamentous problems or tear any more cartilage (probably) by running and cutting on it. So then it becomes a matter of being able to perform. As long as there is not so much inflammation and concomitant swelling and pain then he should be able to play. If it swells enough to affect performance or gets too painful, then he won't play at a high enough level. Until then he should be the same ole TG and that is an assumption based on hearing he is running and cutting well at the moment.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's not entirely true about not getting better but you'd be right much more often than wrong. Can't argue about the cartilage problem. But as I've said before, the problem is just not cartilage. With a problem you're going to get a proliferative synovitis. Unless you've scoped a knee or at least seen it you wouldn't believe how much synovium there can be in there. So one problem creates more problems.

The bottom line is this is not a problem of stability. He isn't going to worsen any ligamentous problems or tear any more cartilage (probably) by running and cutting on it. So then it becomes a matter of being able to perform. As long as there is not so much inflammation and concomitant swelling and pain then he should be able to play. If it swells enough to affect performance or gets too painful, then he won't play at a high enough level. Until then he should be the same ole TG and that is an assumption based on hearing he is running and cutting well at the moment.

It is a long season and guys put a lot of wear and tear on their kness especially at the WR position. What I showed was the option the doctors gave him and he passed on the microfracture surgery and they said at the time that the problem would presist without it. Training camp, Pre-season and 16 weeks of reg season game is going to be a tough thing for Glenn to get through if he can at all. I love the guy and hope things work out but the odds do not look great, I'm not going to hide my head in the sand as act as if everything is just fine with him when that is not the case.

 

[khiladi]

It is a long season and guys put a lot of wear and tear on their kness especially at the WR position. What I showed was the option the doctors gave him and he passed on the microfracture surgery and they said at the time that the problem would presist without it.

Even witjh micro-fracture surgery their was very little guarantee, especially considering how bad TG's knees are. What this means is thateven if TG had the surgery last year, he may not have been able to play this year.

The bottom line is this is not a problem of stability. He isn't going to worsen any ligamentous problems or tear any more cartilage (probably) by running and cutting on it.

Two bones rubbing together without a protective layer distributes the force more between the two bones, resulting in a greater chance of breakage.

Further, with the cartilage in Glenn's knee practically gone, your talking about consistent rubbing on bone which not only will cause increased pain in the knee, but may cause pain in different areas. Cartilage is a shock absorber and the impact from running of the legs will be felt throughout the leg. If Glenn plays, there is no doubt that the pain and swelling will keep increasingI don't care what anybody says, includign Glenn, it is inevitable. There is no way Glenn can play a full season barring some miracle.

 

[Idgit]

Every article I've seen has put TG's chances of contributing this year at around 50%. His QB comes out and says he's a unique player and can play at a probowl level. Most of this board thinks we need options at WR. I don't understand why everyone seems to be against rolling the dice on TG if he's willing to give it a shot. Even the downside, where he contributes for half a season and gets hurt, could mean the difference between home field advantage or no. The value of experience for the younger guys and that roster spot at the bottom of the roster are negligible in comparison.

 

[Stash]

Every article I've seen has put TG's chances of contributing this year at around 50%.

Sounds like a weatherman's forecast - "it might rain, and it might not."

His QB comes out and says he's a unique player and can play at a probowl level.

I remember the same lines from last season too. He looked 'great' then and was supposed to add another dimension to the offense. And then....................nothing.

Most of this board thinks we need options at WR. I don't understand why everyone seems to be against rolling the dice on TG if he's willing to give it a shot. Even the downside, where he contributes for half a season and gets hurt, could mean the difference between home field advantage or no. The value of experience for the younger guys and that roster spot at the bottom of the roster are negligible in comparison.

The 'downside' I see is another season wasted waiting for something that simply doesn't exist anymore.

I don't see 'part-time'.

I don't see 'half the season'.

I see wasted time.

And wasted hopes.