Didn't know if this had been posted (Terry Glenn Watch)

[Doomsday101]

Every article I've seen has put TG's chances of contributing this year at around 50%. His QB comes out and says he's a unique player and can play at a probowl level. Most of this board thinks we need options at WR. I don't understand why everyone seems to be against rolling the dice on TG if he's willing to give it a shot. Even the downside, where he contributes for half a season and gets hurt, could mean the difference between home field advantage or no. The value of experience for the younger guys and that roster spot at the bottom of the roster are negligible in comparison.

Not against it but if I'm Jerry I am keeping my eyes and ears open on WR that may be out there as we hit training camp and throughout the pre-season as teams are forced to cut down rosters. Chances are we will go into the season with Glenn and I hope he can come in and continue to play at a high level if not then hopefully guys like Hurd and Austin continue to improve and pick up the slack

 

[khiladi]

Every article I've seen has put TG's chances of contributing this year at around 50%. His QB comes out and says he's a unique player and can play at a probowl level. Most of this board thinks we need options at WR. I don't understand why everyone seems to be against rolling the dice on TG if he's willing to give it a shot. Even the downside, where he contributes for half a season and gets hurt, could mean the difference between home field advantage or no. The value of experience for the younger guys and that roster spot at the bottom of the roster are negligible in comparison.

I believe 50 percent is just a way of being optimistic because it is Terry Glenn, though you really know there is no chance. I don't think he would pass any physical of any team. This type of a problem causes severe pain and playing on it, being exposed to major hits, is going to make it worse. Heck we are talking about an issue where it is bone-on-bone, which implies severe deterioration.

Teams also have a responsibility of knowing when to say 'no' to a player. For example, there is the issue of concussions that the NFL has taken a harsh stance on, even if the player wants to play. I see this as being no different.

Terry Glenn should seriously just retire.

 

[Hostile]

If he doesn't ever play again will anyone really be surprised?

I'd love to have him back healthy. I just think he and Jerry are at an impasse and it's over.

Talk about a great trade. He gave us way more than we gave up to get him.

 

[Idgit]

...I remember the same lines from last season too. He looked 'great' then and was supposed to add another dimension to the offense. And then....................nothing.

I wasn't thrilled with the results last season either, especially after all the talk, but he had been inactive for the entire season at that point. Maybe it wasn't all that realistic to expect him to come in and replace a hobbled TO.

The 'downside' I see is another season wasted waiting for something that simply doesn't exist anymore.

I don't see 'part-time'.

I don't see 'half the season'.

I see wasted time.

And wasted hopes.

This is what the issue really is. People don't want their expectations disappointed. If the team's better for half a season with TG in the lineup, then that last roster spot is really not too high a price to pay to have him here. If he can't cut it through TC, he won't make the team and it's a non-issue.

I believe 50 percent is just a way of being optimistic because it is Terry Glenn, though you really know there is no chance. I don't think he would pass any physical of any team. This type of a problem causes severe pain and playing on it, being exposed to major hits, is going to make it worse. Heck we are talking about an issue where it is bone-on-bone, which implies severe deterioration.

Teams also have a responsibility of knowing when to say 'no' to a player. For example, there is the issue of concussions that the NFL has taken a harsh stance on, even if the player wants to play. I see this as being no different.

Terry Glenn should seriously just retire.

If 50% is really just a nice way of saying 0%, then I'd agree with you. But how do you get around his QB coming out and saying the guy could be a probowl player for us this year? I see no reason why Romo would say anything to that effect just to be nice. It only makes him look foolish if the guy can't even make a team.

Players like a healthy TG aren't just laying around. If you can't swing a trade for another one, and we could use one now, and he's willing to risk it, how can we afford not to take a chance on him? If he can go, we're back to being one of the deepest teams at WR in the league for next season, with good young talent underneath our starters.

As to the league's responsibility to players, I've got a condition similar to TGs condition in my right leg. I'd gladly trade my healthy left leg for a chance at a Superbowl. It's not like he's facing the risk of paralysis. Ronnie Lott would just cut the leg off at the knee and get back on the field.

 

[Stash]

I wasn't thrilled with the results last season either, especially after all the talk, but he had been inactive for the entire season at that point. Maybe it wasn't all that realistic to expect him to come in and replace a hobbled TO.

I wasn't expecting him to replace TO, but I was expecting a contribution on some level.

Glenn really showed me nothing when he came back. Despite all that time to rehab and get back on the field, and all of the team's talk about how great he looked, he came back and did nothing - after the team waited an entire season for his return.

This is what the issue really is. People don't want their expectations disappointed. If the team's better for half a season with TG in the lineup, then that last roster spot is really not too high a price to pay to have him here. If he can't cut it through TC, he won't make the team and it's a non-issue.

It would be an issue if the team spends all of training camp waiting for Glenn rather than looking for other options. If this situation isn't resolved prior to the start of trining camp, it's past time to cut him and move on.

If 50% is really just a nice way of saying 0%, then I'd agree with you. But how do you get around his QB coming out and saying the guy could be a probowl player for us this year? I see no reason why Romo would say anything to that effect just to be nice. It only makes him look foolish if the guy can't even make a team.

Romo said what he did, but that doesn't make it true. Just like Jerry saying what he did last year didn't make it true then either.

Players like a healthy TG aren't just laying around. If you can't swing a trade for another one, and we could use one now, and he's willing to risk it, how can we afford not to take a chance on him? If he can go, we're back to being one of the deepest teams at WR in the league for next season, with good young talent underneath our starters.

In my opinion, a 'healthy Terry Glenn' doesn't exist anymore. It's a dream that people continue to keep alive.

His condition isn't one that's going to improve or get better.

 

[JonJon]

If 50% is really just a nice way of saying 0%, then I'd agree with you. But how do you get around his QB coming out and saying the guy could be a probowl player for us this year? I see no reason why Romo would say anything to that effect just to be nice. It only makes him look foolish if the guy can't even make a team.

I am pretty sure that Glenn does look like the old Glenn right now. I am sure that he is running well and his speed is still top-tier. I am positive that he is making cuts and showing everyone, including Romo, that he still has the ability to play at a probowl level.

But that isn't the issue. The issue is whether Glenn will be able to sustain that for the entire season without injuring that knee. Like others have said, one false step, one bad cut, one bad tackle, and Glenn is gone for good. this is why the Cowboys want him to sign the waiver. Jerry wants him to be there. Romo wants him to be there. But the Cowboys organization has to protect their own interest by not tying up too much money in a degenerate knee.

It is too much of a gamble where the odds are in favor of you losing.

As for me, I would rather keep Amendola.

 

[Idgit]

I am pretty sure that Glenn does look like the old Glenn right now. I am sure that he is running well and his speed is still top-tier. I am positive that he is making cuts and showing everyone, including Romo, that he still has the ability to play at a probowl level.

But that isn't the issue. The issue is whether Glenn will be able to sustain that for the entire season without injuring that knee. Like others have said, one false step, one bad cut, one bad tackle, and Glenn is gone for good. this is why the Cowboys want him to sign the waiver. Jerry wants him to be there. Romo wants him to be there. But the Cowboys organization has to protect their own interest by not tying up too much money in a degenerate knee.

It is too much of a gamble where the odds are in favor of you losing.

As for me, I would rather keep Amendola.

I'm with you up to the 'too much of a gamble' part. If TG can go and play at a high level, the team risks nothing more than a WR spot on its roster. Amendola (if he actually does end up as the bubble WR) might end up a good player, but so could a practice-squad WR from any other team in the league. Maybe it's Mike Jefferson who ends up being the keeper. Long-shots with potential are a dime/dozen. Players with the ability to come in and change a game or two for you are a rare commodity.

 

[Idgit]

...It would be an issue if the team spends all of training camp waiting for Glenn rather than looking for other options. If this situation isn't resolved prior to the start of trining camp, it's past time to cut him and move on.

This presupposes that there are other options available that could match Glenn's upside. If I considered Matt Jones (or name your soon-to-be street FA) a viable player, I might feel differently, but there's nobody out there in a healthy TG's class right now.

TG may or may not be able to come back for even part of a season at his regular level of play, but it's a mistake to think he can't do it just because he wasn't able to hit the ground running last year. The additional time to rehab and the benefit of a full TC and no multi-month layoff is important. The Washington game wasn't a fair indicator of anything for our offense. I agree that he was disappointing in the playoff loss.

Romo said what he did, but that doesn't make it true. Just like Jerry saying what he did last year didn't make it true then either.

It does make it his opinion, though. And note that what he says about Glenn is significantly more than he's willing to say about the young WRs on this roster. There's a big difference between Romo saying this pre-season and what Jerry Jones says publicly prior to a playoff game where TO is hobbled. Both Jerry and Wade were pumping TG hard that week, and it was pretty clearly smoke.

In my opinion, a 'healthy Terry Glenn' doesn't exist anymore. It's a dream that people continue to keep alive.

His condition isn't one that's going to improve or get better.

Every person who's actually seen TG play recently that I've heard quoted in the media says he looks impressive. The question isn't 'whether or not he can still play,' it's 'can he make it through a full season.' If he can contribute to the team at a high level all season, he's just what we need. Even if he can't, he's got a better chance to contribute early than any bubble or street FA WR available.

 

[Stash]

This presupposes that there are other options available that could match Glenn's upside. If I considered Matt Jones (or name your soon-to-be street FA) a viable player, I might feel differently, but there's nobody out there in a healthy TG's class right now.

That's part of my point, I don't think Terry Glenn is in a 'healthy TG's class right now'. I don't think that exists any longer. He could not and can not pass a physical, despite being nearly a year removed from injury/surgery. That doesn't figure to change.

TG may or may not be able to come back for even part of a season at his regular level of play, but it's a mistake to think he can't do it just because he wasn't able to hit the ground running last year. The additional time to rehab and the benefit of a full TC and no multi-month layoff is important. The Washington game wasn't a fair indicator of anything for our offense. I agree that he was disappointing in the playoff loss.

While some would disagree, I don't believe 'rust' was a significant factor. And I don't see why he couldn't get up to speed in practice but he could in training camp. I think age and injury have robbed him of the speed and skills he once had.

And I consider the Washington game a more significant indicator than others might. Those struggles served as a precursor to the struggles the team had against the Giants and make me worry about what might happen if Owens were to miss time again.

Despite the talent some feel this team has at receiver, the one time they were called on to show that talent, they failed.

I hope guys like Hurd and Austin have improved as much as some reports indicate, but I would hate to be shown otherwise once the season begins and it's too late to do anything about it.

That's what makes me hope that the team finds another option at receiver. You'll never replace Owens, but having another option is never a bad thing.

It does make it his opinion, though. And note that what he says about Glenn is significantly more than he's willing to say about the young WRs on this roster. There's a big difference between Romo saying this pre-season and what Jerry Jones says publicly prior to a playoff game where TO is hobbled. Both Jerry and Wade were pumping TG hard that week, and it was pretty clearly smoke.

I would also question what Romo is using as the basis for his claims? When has Glenn worked out with him? Obviously, the team hasn't given Glenn permission to work out at the facility. So when did Romo work with him? When did Glenn show what he couldd do on the field? Best I can tell, that was in the playoff game vs the Giants - and he didn't show much then.

Every person who's actually seen TG play recently that I've heard quoted in the media says he looks impressive. The question isn't 'whether or not he can still play,' it's 'can he make it through a full season.' If he can contribute to the team at a high level all season, he's just what we need. Even if he can't, he's got a better chance to contribute early than any bubble or street FA WR available.

Who has seen him play recently? And where?

I think he's got a better 'chance' of stringing the team along again and not contributing anything.

I think Glenn's stance clearly shows where his priorities lie.

 

[Redball Express]

He's done.

Too much delay in this is counter-productive to the team and too much distraction.

Jerry Jones and Dallas has already won this public relations battle with Glenn by giving him the $5mil bonus last year plus his full salary.

They didn't have to do that. They could have just declared him unable to perform and cut him right after the season was over since he had gone thru rehab and still couldn't pass a physical.

This is nuts.

Sign or clean out the locker, TG.

Dallas is not going to let this go on much more, guarranteed.

Maybe that is what Glenn wants. For them to cut him so he can go to the NFLPA and sue.

And this is a 'team player'..?

I'm done with TG. I could care less about the pipedream about him returning to help us win a World Championship.

It's all about him getting his last paycheck guarranteed.

There are no guarrantees, TG.

We are certainly seeing a new side of you the more this drags out.

The Cowboys have been infinently patient and opened their checkbooks so far.

TG has the gun to his head..and no way in the world the team is looking bad here.

The sooner TG sees this, the quicker we move on whatever.

Frankly, he's destroyed his image as a team leader on this team from here out because of all this and I think he just has to go.

I don't think it goes any further without now becoming a real problem with getting the team ready for the season.

And I guarrantee, the Cowboys don't want this lingering into TC with HBO filming everything and leaving open the possibility that HBO and the media gets ahold of this and ends up twisting this whole issue to make Dallas look bad.

That's all we need is letting the rest of the NFL and the fans sit and watch while we look like Scrouges over TG's last year in the league.

He's already had his last year.

Last year.

Let him go..now.

:starspin ReDBaLL ExPreSS :starspin

 

[Idgit]

...I would also question what Romo is using as the basis for his claims? When has Glenn worked out with him? Obviously, the team hasn't given Glenn permission to work out at the facility. So when did Romo work with him? When did Glenn show what he couldd do on the field? Best I can tell, that was in the playoff game vs the Giants - and he didn't show much then.

Who has seen him play recently? And where?

I think he's got a better 'chance' of stringing the team along again and not contributing anything.

I think Glenn's stance clearly shows where his priorities lie.

Romo's quote was from the OTAs. It's not clear what he was basing it off of.

Silly to put too much emphasis on the Washington game, since we didn't really install a gameplan there. NY is another story. Not sure why you don't credit rust as an issue. Or the possibility that the coaching staff was fluffing TG's productivity intentionally prior to the playoff game. It's not like the team designed its gameplan around getting TG the ball.

The crack about Glenn's stance re: an injury waiver is below the belt in my book. No reason to question the guy's commitment to the team. Quite the opposite, actually.

If you haven't already, Mosey over to the TNew ESPN recap thread. He had lots of nice things to say about both Matt Jones and Terry Glenn.

 

[Stash]

Romo's quote was from the OTAs. It's not clear what he was basing it off of.

Silly to put too much emphasis on the Washington game, since we didn't really install a gameplan there. NY is another story. Not sure why you don't credit rust as an issue. Or the possibility that the coaching staff was fluffing TG's productivity intentionally prior to the playoff game. It's not like the team designed its gameplan around getting TG the ball.

The crack about Glenn's stance re: an injury waiver is below the belt in my book. No reason to question the guy's commitment to the team. Quite the opposite, actually.

If you haven't already, Mosey over to the TNew ESPN recap thread. He had lots of nice things to say about both Matt Jones and Terry Glenn.

I will, thanks for the tip - and the conversation!

:toast:

 

[Stash]

Which thread has the mention of Jones?

 

[Idgit]

Which thread has the mention of Jones?

I was lying. Newman gushed a bit about TG, so I wanted to make sure you read the thread.

 

[Stash]

I was lying. Newman gushed a bit about TG, so I wanted to make sure you read the thread.

:yousuck:


I did read the part about Glenn.

And I don't factor Glenn's golf game into whether his knee is healthy.

A certain golfer won some tournament with a bum knee too. Can't remember his name........

 

[Woods]

I was lying. Newman gushed a bit about TG, so I wanted to make sure you read the thread.

:laugh2:

That got a chuckle out of me.

 

[Idgit]

:yousuck:


I did read the part about Glenn.

And I don't factor Glenn's golf game into whether his knee is healthy.

A certain golfer won some tournament with a bum knee too. Can't remember his name........

In the other TNew interview thread, he says that Matt Jones is too lazy to play golf.

Not sure what Terrence was getting at when he says he golfs with Glenn and knows he's ready to go. I took it to mean that he has spent some time with him and that TG is telling him he's ready. Who knows, though.

 

[Stash]

In the other TNew interview thread, he says that Matt Jones is too lazy to play golf.

Apparently, Jones prefers fishing to golf.

Not sure what Terrence was getting at when he says he golfs with Glenn and knows he's ready to go. I took it to mean that he has spent some time with him and that TG is telling him he's ready. Who knows, though.

Either way, it doesn't seem to carry much weight, at least from my perspective.

About as much as Romo's hopeful comments did.

 

[Idgit]

Apparently, Jones prefers fishing to golf.



Either way, it doesn't seem to carry much weight, at least from my perspective.

About as much as Romo's hopeful comments did.

There's no telling until and if we get him out on the field, but I'm glad to hear them saying publicly that they think he's still capable of performing at a high level. It's higher praise than they've got for the other WRs on the roster not named TO, and it's a lot better than saying nothing at all or that they think he can't make it back.

 

[Stash]

There's no telling until and if we get him out on the field, but I'm glad to hear them saying publicly that they think he's still capable of performing at a high level. It's higher praise than they've got for the other WRs on the roster not named TO, and it's a lot better than saying nothing at all or that they think he can't make it back.

Given the talk last year, and the ultimately disappointing results, it's making me take the 'once bitten, twice shy' stance.