Differences between 3-4 defenses.

[sureletsrace]

Anyone care to elaborate or have a link that shows the differences between say the Phillips 3-4 and the Parcells 3-4?

How many variations of the 3-4 are there?

 

[the truth of it all]

its how they line up . Parcells brought a different looking defense from his old one IMO when he was here. Maybe alot of that had to do with our dl not being nearly as good as his Giants or a young demarcus.

Philips is known for blitzing more than parcells. To give you a very simple answer .

And there are as many variations as there are coaches who deploy the scheme.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

its how they line up . Parcells brought a different looking defense from his old one IMO when he was here. Maybe alot of that had to do with our dl not being nearly as good as his Giants or a young demarcus.

Philips is known for blitzing more than parcells. To give you a very simple answer .

And there are as many variations as there are coaches who deploy the scheme.

Parcells was more the "hold the point of attack" read and react 3-4. Wade wants his men into the lines, through the lines, and wreaking havoc in the enemy's backfield.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Like every defense, what you do well depends on personnel and scheme.

 

[the truth of it all]

For the record i love our style more than any other style of the 3-4 even Pittsburgh

Parcells Giants was really a unique deal, because of the talent he had on the field .

 

[CowboyMike]

The Phillips 3-4 is a one gap defense, meaning each player in the front seven is responsible for only one gap. The scheme is based on penetration, speed, and attacking the passer. The only positions that really hold up blockers are the DEs, which are supposed to occupy space and blockers to give the OLBs a free shot at the quarterback. Think of them as the OLB's "fullback".

Parcells' 3-4 is a two gap defense, which means each d-lineman is responsible for holding up two gaps and not penetrate. The only real pass rushers in a Parcells 3-4 are the OLB, where Wade's can come from anywhere. Like someone said before, Parcells is read and react, play it safe, hold position. Wade likes to take risks and attack.

Both can be successful if played with the right players, but as we saw in 2006, Parcells' scheme was way too vanilla and had become easily figured out. Other coaches that run the same type of 3-4, like Belichek at one time and what they run down in Miami, have adapted to the times with the same scheme.

 

[CowboyMike]

For the record i love our style more than any other style of the 3-4 even Pittsburgh

Parcells Giants was really unique because of the talent he had on the field .

I'm the same way. Part of it is the Phillips scheme and part of it is the fact that Wade is one of the best d-coordinators out there. He's a defensive genius and we're lucky to have him calling our defense.

 

[the truth of it all]

The Phillips 3-4 is a one gap defense, meaning each player in the front seven is responsible for only one gap. The scheme is based on penetration, speed, and attacking the passer. The only positions that really hold up blockers are the DEs, which are supposed to occupy space and blockers to give the OLBs a free shot at the quarterback. Think of them as the OLB's "fullback".

Parcells' 3-4 is a two gap defense, which means each d-lineman is responsible for holding up two gaps and not penetrate. The only real pass rushers in a Parcells 3-4 are the OLB, where Wade's can come from anywhere. Like someone said before, Parcells is read and react, play it safe, hold position. Wade likes to take risks and attack.

Both can be successful if played with the right players, but as we saw in 2006, Parcells' scheme was way too vanilla and had become easily figured out. Other coaches that run the same type of 3-4, like Belichek at one time and what they run down in Miami, have adapted to the times with the same scheme.

The man knew how to attack but i was baffled as to why he didnt that year. If anyone remembers the colts game.

 

[CowboyMike]

The man knew how to attack but i was baffled as to why he didnt that year. If anyone remembers the colts game.

He was being stubborn.

I think the Colts game was more Zimmer than it was Parcells. I remember hearing whispers about that.

 

[Rampage]

For the record i love our style more than any other style of the 3-4 even Pittsburgh

Parcells Giants was really a unique deal, because of the talent he had on the field .

I like Baltimore's or also known as Rex Ryan's 3-4 the best.

 

[theogt]

I would like to know about the Parcells nickel/dime package.

Does this apparition exist?

 

[LeonDixson]

The man knew how to attack but i was baffled as to why he didnt that year. If anyone remembers the colts game.

He was being stubborn.

I think the Colts game was more Zimmer than it was Parcells. I remember hearing whispers about that.

IIRC the players had been begging for a chance to be more aggressive on defense and the coaches let them do it in the Colts game. But it went out the window in the next game or two after losing one. I have a bad memory though, so this may not be right.

 

[CowboyMike]

I would like to know about the Parcells nickel/dime package.

Does this apparition exist?

Parcells' and Phillips' nickel packages are actually very similar.

IIRC the players had been begging for a chance to be more aggressive on defense and the coaches let them do it in the Colts game. But it went out the window in the next game or two after losing one. I have a bad memory though, so this may not be right.

I think you're correct, but the scheme against the Colts, I believe, was largely attributed to Zimmer. Towards the end of the year he was basically saying his hands were tied from doing anything different, and he bolted before anyone knew whether Parcells was going to stay or not.

 

[theogt]

Parcells' and Phillips' nickel packages are actually very similar.

It was a trick question. Parcells didn't use a nickel package.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Parcells' version did not work in Dallas because Lwrence Taylow wasn't playing it and Bill Bellicheck wasn't coaching it. Wade Phillips is a TRUE 3-4 defnsive coach, and that's a big difference.

 

[BAT]

Parcells' and Phillips' nickel packages are actually very similar.

You're joking right?

 

[CoachHodnett]

http://yfrog.com/03parcellsvsphillipsj

That's a VERY basic comparison of a "Base" look between the two.

In Parcells' scheme, the Ends and Nose were required to "Two-Gap" and play "through" the man they aligned over head up (Tackles & Center). They were responsible for each Gap on each side of those players, thus "freeing" up our Inside LBs.

In Phillips' look, however, you could argue it gives you a 4-3 Under look, but as we all know, our DL slants on just about every play. The cool thing is, depending on who we are brining as the 4th & 5th rushers, Offenses have a hard time figuring out where we are slanting. One play Ratliff may just play the Gap he's aligned in (Strongside or Weakside A Gap), but the next we may bring Brooking through the SS or WS A Gap and Rat slants into the other A Gap or even loops into B Gap.


Obviously Parcells' defense is the more "safe" approach. Bend, Don't break. Unfortunately it broke far too often.

Phillips' scheme, while more agressive, has been a much more fundamentally sound defense here moreso than in San Diego, where his defense was known for Sacks and Turnovers but giving up tons of big plays.

 

[dbair1967]

Anyone care to elaborate or have a link that shows the differences between say the Phillips 3-4 and the Parcells 3-4?

How many variations of the 3-4 are there?

Yeah, Phillips 3-4 >>> Parcells 3-4

 

[proline]

It was a trick question. Parcells didn't use a nickel package.

Yes he did .... he broke it out whenever there was a likelihood of seeing a 30 yd slant.

 

[HoosierCowboy]

I hate Parcell's and anything he does--I'm thankful that we are not having Ratliff sit at the line and hold his gaps