Divorcing Dak and MM

[DuncanIso]

Trey is the X factor. Has he flashed in practice and shown potential in the film room? Do they know something the rest of the world doesn’t?

If he has— then their current stance with Dak makes a ton of sense.

Guess we will find out at TC — but all eyes will be on Lance and any possible QB controversy.

I would guess the minute after they made the Lance trade, Daks days as a starter in Dallas were numbered.

As for Lance, the kid can play QB.

He’s the reason JimmyG lost the starting job in 2022.

 

[jazzcat22]

at the conspiracy theory.

The team was to tank, they want to use that as an excuse and reason to move on from Dak and MM. Really?

Dak is not horrible. Anything can happen in the playoffs, even with QB's such as Dak. We seen it happen before with lesser QB's.
They still have a very good core team.

Not saying to keep them, as I been saying, I would prefer a change. But this FO is not setting up the team to fail.

 

[Hawkeye19]

Sorry bud is this a joke?
Last time out he was 1-4 and losing to the Giants at home when that injury and the Pity factor gave him that contract?
Nothing is saving him now...............NADA............The fraud is up and the King is Naked.

Someone will pay him on “potential” and regular season wins. This is a QB poor league. Dak may not be worth 60 mil— but he is definitely in the 35 mil range and someone will take a chance and pay him

 

[Hawkeye19]

I don’t think Trey is that big of a factor long-term, as they aren’t exercising his option year. If he sucks, they will draft QB next year.

All the FO needs from him is enough of a showing from Trey to appear to be competent.

That will be enough to create the pressure on Dak to force a change

 

[NDGAEDE]

It's such a cynical and manipulative approach, not just to Dak and Mike but to fans.

They think so little of us that they will tank an entire season to save money. They'll still sell to us. They'll still get us in the stadiums, watching all the games. But behind the scenes, they want this season to fail because they truly hate the idea of paying a guy (arguably) what he is worth.

From Dak's perspective, the team that you put it all on the line for (with varying success) would rather make it harder for you to perform (and easier to get injured) by intentionally fielding an incomplete team. How cynical is that? Regardless of your feelings for his performance, Dak is a good person who deserves respect (as we all do) from employers. Their behavior is so vindictive they should be punished. But they won't ever face consequences.

And for Mike. You've done everything to improve the team but get further in the playoffs. It's a big hurdle but fair expectation. That said, the front office is literally telling you the team has to go further than before while having less quality players. What kind of BS set up is that? Is not tossing someone in shallow water to sink or swim. It's dumping someone in the middle of the ocean. They are simply to cheap or cowardly to fire him, which he would probably prefer to getting set up like this.

They are setting these people up to fail because they are rich, and they are getting progressively cheaper to get progressively richer. They have zero concern, clearly, about how fans feel and don't care that we have to endure the results. Because they know we will.

 

[Blackrain]

It's such a cynical and manipulative approach, not just to Dak and Mike but to fans.

They think so little of us that they will tank an entire season to save money. They'll still sell to us. They'll still get us in the stadiums, watching all the games. But behind the scenes, they want this season to fail because they truly hate the idea of paying a guy (arguably) what he is worth.

From Dak's perspective, the team that you put it all on the line for (with varying success) would rather make it harder for you to perform (and easier to get injured) by intentionally fielding an incomplete team. How cynical is that? Regardless of your feelings for his performance, Dak is a good person who deserves respect (as we all do) from employers. Their behavior is so vindictive they should be punished. But they won't ever face consequences.

And for Mike. You've done everything to improve the team but get further in the playoffs. It's a big hurdle but fair expectation. That said, the front office is literally telling you the team has to go further than before while having less quality players. What kind of BS set up is that? Is not tossing someone in shallow water to sink or swim. It's dumping someone in the middle of the ocean. They are simply to cheap or cowardly to fire him, which he would probably prefer to getting set up like this.

They are setting these people up to fail because they are rich, and they are getting progressively cheaper to get progressively richer. They have zero concern, clearly, about how fans feel and don't care that we have to endure the results. Because they know we will.

I kind of have to agree Jerry has had time to sit and stew over this for a while and I think he puts a lot of blame on Dak and McCarthy.

At this point and we're still kind of early in it looks like he's going to make them suffer through a whole season like he had to sit and suffer through that Green Bay game.

And it's a win-win situation at the end because he will get a high draft pick draft a quarterback move on with a clean slate and a bunch of young players on rookie contracts and that is when it's easiest to win because you can compile the most talent.

I think at this point almost everybody has learned unless you have Patrick mahomes or Tom Brady it's way easier to win when your quarterback is on his rookie contract and you can surround him with all kinds of talent.

 

[khiladi]

It really began with Dak "betting on himself ", his whole approach was selfish. Refusing to sign for 5 years, which would have given the team more flexibility with the cap, why so they would have to renew him sooner than later? He put his team over a barrel. He ain't that dude he overestimated his value. Bro, you are the QB of the Dallas Cowboys. You are getting revenue from all sorts of endorsements because of that fact. Hell, even your after football career is cemented if you would want to go into broadcasting. You should be doing all you could to free up money to keep/bring in as much talent as you can get around you, because once again, you ain't that dude. Make no mistake, this is equivalent to the Amari Cooper (not taking covid vaccinations)situation, not following protocol, that is going to get your bags packed. Difference is they can't trade you, so they are going to smoke you out. Others didn't see it, but I noticed first with Stephen barked about the team wanting the five year deal vs four. Then they aggressively traded for Lance when the opportunity came. Now things have shifted they now have the leverage to let you walk, even if Lance is a bust they already are showing they are pursuing avenues to replace you. But you made a bunch of money you will be alright.

The last sentence says it all. Dak is in no way a victim. He was a back-up that walked into an ideal scenario and got paid, despite sucking it up really bad for long stretches of play. Despite this fact, the Cowboys stuck by him and tinkered and tinkered and allowed him to develop his skill-set, but he constantly sucked it up when the real time came to perform.

He made a lot of money for mediocrity and average. No need to shed tears over this man. No need to shed tears over Jerry and Stephen either.

 

[khiladi]

Why would they exercise that fifth year right now especially at that price. He is still an unknown commodity (even if he is tearing it up behind the scenes) plus you can still offer him a long term deal at a lower cap hit after next season.

I agree, why would they?

The point is, Dak fans are acting like there is only two options, neither of which are the Cowboys are simply done with Dak, irrespective of Trey. They traded for Trey before the choke-job against GB and they had expectations of a deep play-off run and before Micah’s brother and Lamb’s mother called out Dak. If it’s a rebuild, Trey’s play is ultimately irrelevant, unless he shows some miraculous turnaround.

What the whole world knows now is Dak is a pretender.

 

[NDGAEDE]

The last sentence says it all. Dak is in no way a victim. He was a back-up that walked into an ideal scenario and got paid, despite sucking it up really bad for long stretches of play. Despite this fact, the Cowboys stuck by him and tinkered and tinkered and allowed him to develop his skill-set, but he constantly sucked it up when the real time came to perform.

He made a lot of money for mediocrity and average. No need to shed tears over this man. No need to shed tears over Jerry and Stephen either.

You really need some perspective on what mediocrity is from a QB.

Dak is obviously not Mahomes, but quit pretending he's Derek Carr. People could take you more seriously if you didn't have such pure, blinding hatred for one player.

Most fans are realistic. Dak has had success as a QB, this is incontrovertible and literally proven, and this is a good thing because we like when our team is winning. Dak hasn't had the success that we want--and rightly expect--from the most important player on our favorite team, and this is maddening, because we have seen what he is capable of and yet he doesn't always deliver, especially in the games that matter. That is fair and accurate.

 

[jazzcat22]

I agree, why would they?

The point is, Dak fans are acting like there is only two options, neither of which are the Cowboys are simply done with Dak, irrespective of Trey.

I think some fear Trey. So they attack him with the excuse SF made a mistake. Some fear him and blame Jerry saying wasted a 4th rounder on him. When in fact, IMO, they do not like him. But say they do not like that Jerry gave up a draft pick.

When in fact many fans including myself, wanted Jerry to draft a QB anyway. It did not work out that way.
So if they did use a 3rd or the round pick on another QB, how would they attack him. If they had that 4th round and selected a QB this year, how would they be with that.

Going to be a very interested spirited TC / PS games posts.

 

[khiladi]

I think you’re right. One things they said is Dak was told to hit the back foot and if 1st read is gone then go check down and if that’s gone throw it away. Well at least Romo and Collingsworth said that. Lance would bring an element of running if the 1st and 2nd reads are gone.

Also everyone says since he didn’t make it in SF then he won’t be good here. Well Shanny’s system is better and more complicated than ours. Like they have designed, effective plays. But our system is so dumbed down to be “Dak friendly “ that maybe Lance can excel in it. Maybe SF was too complex of an offense for him.

We won’t know unless we play him consistently and hopefully that comes sooner than later.

We’ve only seen the “post bye” Dallas offense for half a season. The Packers had enough tape on it, to completely stifle Dak and the offense. Imagine running the same, simple offense next year, with what is looking to be a worse offensive line.

Who else is left if McCarthy and Schottenheimer are gone, to coach Dak? You are talking about a complete overall in the offense with a new coach and our current group already dumbed it down for Dak to the point he’s only looking at his early reads.

 

[khiladi]

You really need some perspective on what mediocrity is from a QB.

Dak is obviously not Mahomes, but quit pretending he's Derek Carr. People could take you more seriously if you didn't have such pure, blinding hatred for one player.

Most fans are realistic. Dak has had success as a QB, this is incontrovertible and literally proven, and this is a good thing because we like when our team is winning. Dak hasn't had the success that we want--and rightly expect--from the most important player on our favorite team, and this is maddening, because we have seen what he is capable of and yet he doesn't always deliver, especially in the games that matter. That is fair and accurate.

Noodle-arm Practice QB Cooper Rush is 5-1 with the same roster, without 8 years of baby-sitting and tailoring an offense to Dak skill-set Buddy. This is actual, empirical data.

Go look at the amount of points Andy Dalton was putting up in 2020 in the 4 wins after the bye against the same bad teams Dak puts up points against with a “way worse” roster than what Dak starts with here.. this is also actual, empirical data..

 

[Hawkeye0202]

From Dak's perspective, the team that you put it all on the line for (with varying success) would rather make it harder for you to perform (and easier to get injured) by intentionally fielding an incomplete team. How cynical is that? Regardless of your feelings for his performance, Dak is a good person who deserves respect (as we all do) from employers. Their behavior is so vindictive they should be punished. But they won't ever face consequences

This is what Dak reportedly said a year ago.........keep in mind he restructured his contract this time last year to give them some cap relief.

 

[khiladi]

For the amount of times Dak started throwing the ball per game, you would think he’d be able to throw at least 40 TDs once in his life.

Guy loves to put up 4 TD 5 TD games against third string defenses in the last, meaningless game of the season and the most he’s ever notched was 37…

 

[khiladi]

This is what Dak reportedly said a year ago.........keep in mind he restructured his contract this time last year to give them some cap relief.

Other players like Zach Martin restructured..

So Dak didn’t have enough talent, when they added Cook and drafted Ferguson and also brought in Smith at LG the year prior…. What about giving up draft picks for Cooper and re-signing Gallup. Dallas invested more in offense overall than defense for Dak.

after Tad and boys played the race card during the contract negotiations on Twitter and Dak proceeded to choke again after the contract, Tad was next seen on Twitter blaming the “surrounding talent”. Dak seems no different that Tad..

 

[jazzcat22]

For the amount of times Dak started throwing the ball per game, you would think he’d be able to throw at least 40 TDs once in his life.

Guy loves to put up 4 TD 5 TD games against third string defenses in the last, meaningless game of the season.

At some point a teams top stars need to step up and make a play(s) in big games.
We yet to see this from Dak in playoffs games. However, same can be said for Micah.

Anyway, that reminds me of what Clint Eastwood said in one of the Dirty Harry movies.

.... a man has to know his limitations...

 

[Cowboyny]

The way this offseason has played out— it is clear the FO is setting up Dak and MM for failure. The latest comment from JJ about being “locked and loaded” and ready to go into the season with Dak’s current cap number is telling.

By standing firm and making Dak play out current contract— they can blame his greed for their inactivity in FA, and justify walking away from him next year when he inevitably fails to deliver once again. It is clear they don’t want to commit to him at his current asking price— so either his number comes down bc he has a bad year, or he walks away and the team is free from the contract.

As for Mike? They are letting him play out his deal as well, and instead of paying him 5 million for sitting on the couch— they have another scapegoat to hang the 2024 failure on.

The FO is cutting their own throat this year. None of their decisions resemble a team building to win. They look like a team trying to maneuver out of a predicament (of their own making) and set things up for a Dakless future.

One thing is for sure: this season will suck for the fans. Instead of “all in”—— Our response to getting destroyed by GB has been to fold, then pull out our mobile phone at the poker table and play Candy Crush and pick our nose.

I really feel that this strategy is coming from Jimmy Johnson advising him. During Jimmy's tenture, he never liked players/coaches feeling comfortable. This can go two ways, players/coaches rise up to the challenge to have better success in which they will get rewarded or the team will bottom out in which the rebuilding process will begin.

 

[Hawkeye19]

I really feel that this strategy is coming from Jimmy Johnson advising him. During Jimmy's tenture, he never liked players/coaches feeling comfortable. This can go two ways, players/coaches rise up to the challenge to have better success in which they will get rewarded or the team will bottom out in which the rebuilding process will begin.

I am not sure I buy into the whole “Jimmy is now advising JJ” thing. I guess it’s possible— and I would love for it to be true.

But I think a more realistic explanation is this:

The FO kicked the can down the road, restructured deals, and made some moves to assemble a contender— and last year was the best chance to win it all.

They instead utterly and spectacularly failed.

The FO is now faced with big contract pressure and limited cap space. So they are trying to maneuver into some flexibility for 2026.

This is a soft rebuild, and now with Dak’s situation— if they move on from him— it turns into a complete rebuild.

I think they get CeeDee’s contract done. And they franchise tag Micah twice and draft some bodies to replace him.

I just don’t see them signing him to a record setting contract as a defensive player.

 

[baltcowboy]

The way this offseason has played out— it is clear the FO is setting up Dak and MM for failure. The latest comment from JJ about being “locked and loaded” and ready to go into the season with Dak’s current cap number is telling.

By standing firm and making Dak play out current contract— they can blame his greed for their inactivity in FA, and justify walking away from him next year when he inevitably fails to deliver once again. It is clear they don’t want to commit to him at his current asking price— so either his number comes down bc he has a bad year, or he walks away and the team is free from the contract.

As for Mike? They are letting him play out his deal as well, and instead of paying him 5 million for sitting on the couch— they have another scapegoat to hang the 2024 failure on.

The FO is cutting their own throat this year. None of their decisions resemble a team building to win. They look like a team trying to maneuver out of a predicament (of their own making) and set things up for a Dakless future.

One thing is for sure: this season will suck for the fans. Instead of “all in”—— Our response to getting destroyed by GB has been to fold, then pull out our mobile phone at the poker table and play Candy Crush and pick our nose.

I like both Dak and MM but Jerry is pissed because of that embarrassment of a playoff loss. I remember last season Jerry said at a press conference that we have the players and MM needs to coach them up. I think for better or worse this will be Dak’s team completely and Jerry will stay out of the way. He will let the cream rise to the top. I expect big years from Dak, CeeDee, and Parsons.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The way this offseason has played out— it is clear the FO is setting up Dak and MM for failure. The latest comment from JJ about being “locked and loaded” and ready to go into the season with Dak’s current cap number is telling.

By standing firm and making Dak play out current contract— they can blame his greed for their inactivity in FA, and justify walking away from him next year when he inevitably fails to deliver once again. It is clear they don’t want to commit to him at his current asking price— so either his number comes down bc he has a bad year, or he walks away and the team is free from the contract.

As for Mike? They are letting him play out his deal as well, and instead of paying him 5 million for sitting on the couch— they have another scapegoat to hang the 2024 failure on.

The FO is cutting their own throat this year. None of their decisions resemble a team building to win. They look like a team trying to maneuver out of a predicament (of their own making) and set things up for a Dakless future.

One thing is for sure: this season will suck for the fans. Instead of “all in”—— Our response to getting destroyed by GB has been to fold, then pull out our mobile phone at the poker table and play Candy Crush and pick our nose.

Yeah the front office didn’t do their job but they want Dak and Mike to do theirs? Dak will get another job. Mike? This might be it for him as a head coach. Hopefully it’s not.