DLine Projection

FuzzyLumpkins said:
i have no idea why you think Price is limited upside. He is going into year 3, had no playing time until last year, and flashed in both the run and pass defense when given a shot. He is still raw in technique. Let us see if he can develop more before capping him.

Jones has done nothing much in hes 7 years in the league. I don't see him making the squad much less active on game days.

Locks:
DLaw, Irving, Taco, Collins

Inside track to a spot:
Crawford, Price, Ward, Armstrong, Ash

Bubble: Tapper, Gregory, Ealy, Jones

My guess is we keep the first 9 listed. Last four are competing for maybe one spot.
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Jones played the run really well and he is good at occupying blockers to free up other players. He played in a 3-4 in Green Bay. This scheme may just be a better fit.

If Gregory is not suspended he is highly unlikely to be on the bubble unless he comes in severely out of shape. He probably has the most raw talent of any player in the group and he is near the prototype as a RDE. Plus he was a Jerry pick.
 
You guys may be right about Gregory. But if he can't be counted on to stay off weed, how can we count on him to be in shape?
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
Jones has done nothing much in hes 7 years in the league. I don't see him making the squad much less active on game days.
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Datone Jones has played 5 years. (28 in July) He went throught Detroit (1 week) and SF (1 month) last season before the Cowboys got him.
 
xwalker said:
Jones played the run really well and he is good at occupying blockers to free up other players. He played in a 3-4 in Green Bay. This scheme may just be a better fit.

If Gregory is not suspended he is highly unlikely to be on the bubble unless he comes in severely out of shape. He probably has the most raw talent of any player in the group and he is near the prototype as a RDE. Plus he was a Jerry pick.
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Price is already a better player flashing pressure against the pass. Ash is already as good as Jones. They both have better size are going into year 3 with upside. Jones is what he is going into year 8.
 
Verdict said:
You guys may be right about Gregory. But if he can't be counted on to stay off weed, how can we count on him to be in shape?
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They say he has been clean for two years but needed more time/counselling for other issues.
 
cowboy_ron said:
Has he submitted the necessary paperwork for reinstatement yet?
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A report last week said he was doing it. I don't know if he'll be un-suspended but if he is I expect him to make the team.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
Price is already a better player flashing pressure against the pass. Ash is already as good as Jones. They both have better size are going into year 3 with upside. Jones is what he is going into year 8.
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You often disagree with me then later figure out I was correct and then you start trumpeting the players I said would be good.
 
xwalker said:
They say he has been clean for two years but needed more time/counselling for other issues.
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Would you expect him to be in football shape? I'm expecting him to be eligible. I'm going through even assume he stays clean. I just don't have any confidence he is going to be able to do much after being out of football that long. He wasn't a big, strong guy to begin with. I just don't see him panning out. I hope I am wrong.
 
xwalker said:
A report last week said he was doing it. I don't know if he'll be un-suspended but if he is I expect him to make the team.
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What are you expecting out of gregory? I'm not talking about stats. I'm talking about what kind of player you expect him to be this year. I'm just really curious about the optimism on this guy. How disruptive to you guys expect him to be 2 years out of football. DWare wouldn't be DWare after that long of a layoff, would he?
 
Verdict said:
Would you expect him to be in football shape? I'm expecting him to be eligible. I'm going through even assume he stays clean. I just don't have any confidence he is going to be able to do much after being out of football that long. He wasn't a big, strong guy to begin with. I just don't see him panning out. I hope I am wrong.
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If Gregory is eligible, he's on the team. After all this, Jerry is not going to give up in a summer. Gregory won't be a free agent until he gets 3 more league years with us. If this year is just getting in shape, we'll take it.

He appears to have been serious about playing again, so I assume he's put the time to good use and has bulked up in a good way.

He had a sack, 6 tackles, and an assist in his last game. That would have been half a season for some of our dline.
 
xwalker said:
You often disagree with me then later figure out I was correct and then you start trumpeting the players I said would be good.
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Cool story. In reality Parnell was awful that preseason and played better later. I recall you making up stories about blocking assignments when he ended up blocking nobody on a blitz.

The difference between you and I is I understand there is such a thing as player development and young prospects improve over time while you decide that you like/dislike a player and are then inflexible. Parnell was one such case.

In this case Jones is going into year 6 and is what he is. Ash and Price are young and ahve upside. You going to argue the point or make up more stories?
 
I totally forgot that we had signed kony ealy. Must have been because of all the dez, witten, and draft drama.......
 
buybuydandavis said:
Crawford is probably the best backup for 3 spots - RDE, 3tech, LDE
6mil is not that much for that. Team captain too. I don't see them dumping him. Maybe next year.
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Agree 100%. The guy plays whatever position the coaches ask, will start or rotate with no complaints and is a great locker room guy to boot. Dallas is no longer tight against the cap so there is seriously no reason to hate on the guy.
 
xwalker said:
I'm going to use 11 as the number they keep for purpose of this thread.

I'm not going to list UDFAs for now.

DT options
Collins
Irving
Price
Datone Jones
Jihad Ward
Ash
Daniel Ross
Joe Vellano
Crawford

D-End Options
DLaw
Crawford
Taco
Armstrong
Ealy
Tapper
Gregory
Jihad Ward - Played some DE when Marinelli coached the Senior Bowl.

Weights are estimates based on player statements or reports. The roster is rarely correct.

Guess on the 8 active for game 1:
Collins 6-2, 310
Irving 6-7 290
Price 6-3, 310
Datone Jones 6-5, 300

DLaw 6-3, 270
Taco 6-6, 275
Crawford 6-4, 290
Ealy 6-4, 275

Keep 3 from this group:
Armstrong 6-4, 257 (Likely makes the team)
Gregory 6-5, 250 (Likely makes the team if available)
Tapper 6-2, 270 (Unknown ability, injury risk)
Jihad Ward 6-3, 295 (DT or possibly DE)
Ash 6-3, 333
Daniel Ross 6-2, 300
Joe Vellano 6-4, 325

If Taco wins the starting RDE spot do they keep Crawford at 6M? Crawford was solid last year, is above average against the run at DE and has been a captain. What is the delta (difference) in ability between for Ealy vs Crawford?

Ealy's total total pay is 1.25M (250K is incentives) with 200K guaranteed.

Datone Jones salary is 790K with nothing guaranteed.

Jihad Ward - 950K, nothing guaranteed.

Proven ability but limited upsides:
Crawford
Datone Jones
Ealy
Price

Unproven but possible High upsides:
Armstrong
Gregory
Tapper
Jihad Ward

In my scenario it seems like a final spot could be between Ward or Tapper unless a big guy like Ash plays really well in the preseason.
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If nobody is suspended that might be the best group of defensive linemen we have had in the last 20 years.
 
Verdict said:
What are you expecting out of gregory? I'm not talking about stats. I'm talking about what kind of player you expect him to be this year. I'm just really curious about the optimism on this guy. How disruptive to you guys expect him to be 2 years out of football. DWare wouldn't be DWare after that long of a layoff, would he?
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Doesn't matter.....after waiting all this time, pretty sure FO will be patient. IMO if he's reinstated, he makes the team, at least for 2018.
Actually, V if go back and read your post, you threw mud on each one of the players. So by your estimate, NONE are locked to make the team.
 
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