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Sandyf;1990236 said:
If he falls to #10 then trade with the Saints with #22 and #59 and get him, otherwise we need to fill the CB, WR, RB spots with the picks we already have.

yes!! i agree. that would be the smartest thing to do
 

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triplets92;1990235 said:
i agree with you dude we had an awsome season with 13 probowlers but the games we struggled in or loss was due to the fact of poor cb. recievers who who were either hurt all season or dropping passes (patrick crayton) it just does not make sence to go after mcfadden and put alot of our money into somone we don't really need

well two of the losses the defense clearly played well enough to win the games (10-6 loss to Philly, 21-17 loss to the Giants when we held them to 230 yds of total offense)...that leaves the Washignton loss (where we made no effort to win) and the Pats game, where we played without Anthony Henry and T-New was nowhere close to 100%

the only receiver who was hurt all yr was Terry Glenn...Crayton certainly didnt drop passes all the time, I recall only two or three the entire year...

Barber's never carried the load in college or the pros...thats 6yrs worth of history, not one or two...with his all out, run over people and through them at all costs, its unlikely he'd be 100% throughout the season, and its very likely he'd be out of gas for December and January...there are certainly any number of backs who could serve as a #2 guy and spell a back for a few carries a game, on the other hand there are very few who are big play, game changing RB's who dictate the way teams will play defense against you...McFadden is one of those players...splitting the carries between them means niether would likely wear down, and both could do what they do best all the time...with an improved run game that can control games and protect a lead, you improve all areas of the team

David
 

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dbair1967;1990221 said:
we dont have that many holes dude...we were 13-3 and have a dozen or so probowlers...this team isnt the 1989 or 2001 Cowboys

we need a nickel CB, maybe a developmental safety, another RB and maybe help at WR, though our passing offense was overpowering until Romo hurt his hand and Owens sprianed his ankle, so its definitely debatable whether we need alot of help there and its certainly something that could be put off until next yr...and honestly if I were the Cowboys I'd rather wait till free agency next yr and nab a proven WR than draft one late in the first rd and cross your fingers that they work out (when most dont)

if we didnt have two good starting CB's I could see people insistance on drafting one in the first rd, maybe even two CB's pretty early...but we do have two good CB's, and people need to quit with the tired argument of "well they both missed games last yr!!!"...you dont make draft plans (especially on early picks) with the idea you are planning on starting guys getting hurt and needing backups...nickel CB's can be had in other rounds besides round one...even if we traded up for McFadden by using both 1sts and a 3rd, we could easily land a good CB prospect in round two because the CB crop is pretty good this yr

David


I couldn't agree more. With all the players we already have in place, when are we ever going to be in a position to add a player of McFadden's caliber without it following a loosing season? I stated it in another thread and i echo it now the only position that is a must need is a third CB all the others are wants. The stars are enlined nows the time to take that gamble.
 

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dbair1967;1990266 said:
well two of the losses the defense clearly played well enough to win the games (10-6 loss to Philly, 21-17 loss to the Giants when we held them to 230 yds of total offense)...that leaves the Washignton loss (where we made no effort to win) and the Pats game, where we played without Anthony Henry and T-New was nowhere close to 100%

the only receiver who was hurt all yr was Terry Glenn...Crayton certainly didnt drop passes all the time, I recall only two or three the entire year...

Barber's never carried the load in college or the pros...thats 6yrs worth of history, not one or two...with his all out, run over people and through them at all costs, its unlikely he'd be 100% throughout the season, and its very likely he'd be out of gas for December and January...there are certainly any number of backs who could serve as a #2 guy and spell a back for a few carries a game, on the other hand there are very few who are big play, game changing RB's who dictate the way teams will play defense against you...McFadden is one of those players...splitting the carries between them means niether would likely wear down, and both could do what they do best all the time...with an improved run game that can control games and protect a lead, you improve all areas of the team

David


ok just to get this straight. you want to trade up spend a good bit of money on a rb when the barberian had one of the best seasons a second string rb ever had. there is no doubt in my mind the marion can hold down a whole 60mins. i see what your saying man, it would be cool to have someone like dmac but i think we should fix the other problems on the team until we start to worry how to improve something that honestly man has not showed any flaws ( not counting the Commanders game)
 

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The Panch;1990058 said:
Folks need to start thinking with their heads and not their oozing eyes at his highlight reel. McFadden is not a NEED for us. CB and WR are. The smart teams like the Colts, Steelers and yes, the Cheats, add to their team based on need, not individual excellence that would create cap hell.


It seems like people forget our offense is based around Romo and passing the ball and we have major issues with our receiving core and it's gonna start to rear its ugly head when Owens reaches the end of his prime. Don't assume he's the iron man cause of how fast he heals. The fact is he's about to be 35 and isnt getting any faster.


McFadden would be a fine pick-up for us if we had a need at RB, but we dont. We have a need at a back-up RB. The RB class is too deep this year to break bank and give up draft picks for someone who's unproven and most importantly, not a need.


We really don't need a WR thats crazy to say, WR is probably our stongest offensive position depth wise.

And way the offensive is built is the exact reason why adding a player like McFadden is so vital. The need is his game changing ability not his position so stop saying we don't need a RB.
 

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triplets92;1990294 said:
ok just to get this straight. you want to trade up spend a good bit of money on a rb when the barberian had one of the best seasons a second string rb ever had. there is no doubt in my mind the marion can hold down a whole 60mins. i see what your saying man, it would be cool to have someone like dmac but i think we should fix the other problems on the team until we start to worry how to improve something that honestly man has not showed any flaws ( not counting the Commanders game)

I love MBIII and definitely wouldnt want to part with him, I just think McFadden adds something we dont have. Nor does a 13-3 team usually get a chance to draft a guy like him (and we still may not, as a trade up is still a long shot IMO)....him and MBIII would be the best RB tandem in the league by a long ways and ti would totally change how teams play defense against us...

I just think its possible we could get McFadden and still get a quality CB in round 2...we'd probably also still have picks in rounds 4, 5, 6 & 7 too to address other areas or add another CB/DB...

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dbair1967;1990300 said:
I love MBIII and definitely wouldnt want to part with him, I just think McFadden adds something we dont have. Nor does a 13-3 team usually get a chance to draft a guy like him (and we still may not, as a trade up is still a long shot IMO)....him and MBIII would be the best RB tandem in the league by a long ways and ti would totally change how teams play defense against us...

I just think its possible we could get McFadden and still get a quality CB in round 2...we'd probably also still have picks in rounds 4, 5, 6 & 7 too to address other areas or add another CB/DB...

David

dude it would just be a slap in the face for barber you know? if your going to trade up for someone it's saying what you currently have isn't working. dmac is a great collage RB who also had 23 fumbles in 4 yrs...and he was getting hit by collage guys. if he gets drafted that high we gonna have to give him around 55mil or somewhere around that and with knowing his rap sheet we have to pray he doen't get into any off the feild trouble which is easy to do in dallas night life we would have to give up 2 first and a 3rd and maybe a player. plus all of his lawsuits with his babies mamas which is going to distract him during the season. we can avoid all of that just by getting felix jones who is use to being a back up who will compliment marion well. he has good speed and strength and he is used to being a back up and we wouldn't have to give up much for him
 

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triplets92;1990343 said:
dude it would just be a slap in the face for barber you know?

why? Barber's gonna get paid liek an elite player and he's gonna start.

if your going to trade up for someone it's saying what you currently have isn't working.

It's not saying that at all...in McFadden's case your trading up to an explosive offensive talent, other than Owens we have nobody that scares opposing defenses in terms of being able to generate big plays or long TD's

dmac is a great collage RB who also had 23 fumbles in 4 yrs...and he was getting hit by collage guys
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and most of those fumbles (15) were last yr...he played basically the entire yr with a rub injury and never complained about it...and a number of those fumbles were on plays where he was "credited" with the fumble for a bad snap or bad exchange on plays from that spread formation where he lined up at QB

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dbair1967;1990228 said:
you mean like the Colts who spent another 1st rounder on a WR last yr, even though they had two pro bowls already there and tons of cap money invested in both?
Are you seriously gonna use that as an example?? This season proved my point. What happened? Harrison was in the same class of Terry Glenn this year. Not to mention, he's about to be 36 and every year his production starts to slightly downgrade. He's past his prime and isnt gonna get any better.



dbair1967;1990228 said:
did you see anything in him that made it look like he was slowing down last yr? the guy arguably had his best year ever
The point is, at 35, you'd be foolish to think he has that many seasons left.



4lifecowboy;1990299 said:
We really don't need a WR thats crazy to say, WR is probably our stongest offensive position depth wise.
It's crazy to say otherwise. Our best receiver is about to be 35 and only has so much to go and our 2nd best receiver is done.

And way the offensive is built is the exact reason why adding a player like McFadden is so vital. The need is his game changing ability not his position so stop saying we don't need a RB.
It's people like you that make me *smh*. You're talking about "game changing ability" when he is unproven in the NFL, so to act like he's gonna do in the Pro's what he did in college without taking a snap is foolish.
 
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