DMN Blog: Cowboys visiting with Igor Olshansky

[Woods]

I keep figuring this thing gets done today.

I hope so. I think he will sign here.

Then in the Draft we can focus on NT, ILB, OLB, Safety, CB, WR, OL, etc.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes, I have no grasp of statistics. Good one.

The embarrassing thing for you is that you THINK you know about statistics yet when confronted with someone who has a background in the area you don't understand it so, instead of admitting your own ignorance, you claim they know nothing.

Answer the question: what is an acceptable degree of error. You claim to have a background in statistics and answering that question should be easy. Its actually one of the very first things they teach you about statistics.

We can go back and forth on this all day long but until you can answer that question we both know what the truth is.

 

[AbeBeta]

Answer the question: what is an acceptable degree of error. You claim to have a background in statistics and answering that question should be easy. Its actually one of the very first things they teach you about statistics.

We can go back and forth on this all day long but until you can answer that question we both know what the truth is.

Actually for anyone who knows anything about statistics the correct answer is that it depends on what the question is and how the information is going to be used.

Of course, it is clear that you are confusing issues of null hypothesis testing with issues of what an "acceptable degree of error" in measurement is. You are likely thinking about Type I (aka alpha) error rates. Whereas you might establish a reasonable Type I rate and define it as .05 or .01, that really has nothing to do with the question at hand since we aren't talking about samples vs. populations.

And I'd love to know what someone taught you was an acceptable degree of error - it is likely that you misunderstand how that information applies to the present argument.

 

[gmoney112]

You guys have successfully turned a thread about a potential Cowboys player into a pissing contest about the statistics involved in figuring a tackle, congratulations.

 

[Woods]

I just hope the guy signs on the dotted line.

 

[AbeBeta]

You guys have successfully turned a thread about a potential Cowboys player into a pissing contest about the statistics involved in figuring a tackle, congratulations.

don't like it? read something else.

 

[gmoney112]

don't like it? read something else.

Post something relevant.

 

[AbeBeta]

Post something relevant.

Seems like this discussion has been relevant to several more senior members of this board.

 

[Dallas]

Seems like this discussion has been relevant to several more senior members of this board.

Just because you are 60+ years old, doesn't make you a senior of the board.


He has a point. Take it to PM's or something. It's just OLD now.

 

[BigDFan5]

For real Abe, it has nothing to do with the thread topic.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Fuzzy and Abe getting into it over a technicality, I knew it

 

[gmoney112]

Seems like this discussion has been relevant to several more senior members of this board.

Whether it's relevant to you or Adam in your argument over god knows what, does not mean the information is relevant to the thread topic. So please, just stop. Members are trying to read about Igor's visit to Dallas, thank you.

 

[Dallas]

Fuzzy and Abe getting into it over a technicality, I knew it

But look how smart I iz when I break down the formula of how a statistic comes about.


I R NOT DUMBZ



R 2

 

[Bob Sacamano]

But look how smart I iz when I break down the formula of how a statistic comes about.


I R NOT DUMBZ



R 2

I love how people get into arguments and then question each other's intelligence, I think they do it for the board's sake

like we care

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Actually for anyone who knows anything about statistics the correct answer is that it depends on what the question is and how the information is going to be used.

Of course, it is clear that you are confusing issues of null hypothesis testing with issues of what an "acceptable degree of error" in measurement is. You are likely thinking about Type I (aka alpha) error rates. Whereas you might establish a reasonable Type I rate and define it as .05 or .01, that really has nothing to do with the question at hand since we aren't talking about samples vs. populations.

And I'd love to know what someone taught you was an acceptable degree of error - it is likely that you misunderstand how that information applies to the present argument.

Took you 20 minutes to come up with that. Nice.

Actually in this case there really is no basis for an acceptable degree of error. Error assumes an ideal like a theoretical prediction or prediction froma schematic. In this case there is no ideal and as such you would be looking at a percent difference but in the end it is one of only semantics.

The person who taught me an acceptable degree of error would have been my statistics professor at college. Its pretty common knowledge in the scientific and engineering communities that 5% is a good rule of thumb. For example neither QA nor peer review will pass something that can not at the very least meet that requirement. If I am not mistaken I believe that polling does that as well.

But you keep babbling about coming up with an acceptable degree of error without any context whatsoever. Error compared to what? There is really no basis for comparison because there is not even any data that is generated by multiple entities from a single source.

If you want to say that a universal system for determining tackles would make for an acceptable degree of error then even that is not looking at it right. All that does is give a basis for determining what the degree of error would be.

IOW, if you want to come up with a system and then score tackles from all the game tape and then determine what the % difference between what they say and what you say is then we have at least some sort of baseline.

 

[AbeBeta]

Just because you are 60+ years old, doesn't make you a senior of the board.


He has a point. Take it to PM's or something. It's just OLD now.

Just because you don't understand the posts doesn't mean we shouldn't continue our discussion.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

you guys love it. admit it. anyway i need to go to the grocery store.

 

[BigDFan5]

Just because you don't understand the posts doesn't mean we shouldn't continue our discussion.

Actually he told you to continue the convo

Continue it in PM.

There is no reason it has to be in this thread unless you guys just want everyone to know you have HUGE E-Peens

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I love how people get into arguments and then question each other's intelligence, I think they do it for the board's sake

like we care

yeah cuase you never do that, summer......

 

[Bob Sacamano]

yeah cuase you never do that, summer......

you have to go back a long time since I've questioned anyone's intelligence













except for BigDFan5's