DMN Blog: Looking at Stanback

Bob Sacamano;2077829 said:
I don't know where you got that from, basically all he said was last year he was trying to make the switch from QB to WR, but this year he's trying to actually improve as a WR
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There was an earlier report on Stanback that said he said he didnt get any one-on-one coaching because he wasn't going to play, and was injured.
 
ajk23az;2077836 said:
There was an earlier report on Stanback that said he said he didnt get any one-on-one coaching because he wasn't going to play, and was injured.
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that doesn't mean he wasn't being coached, I'm sure they gave him stuff to do, running group drills, gave him the playbook, had him sit in meetings, etc. I don't think he was sitting there only rehabbing the whole time
 
Bob Sacamano;2077843 said:
that doesn't mean he wasn't being coached, I'm sure they gave him stuff to do, running group drills, gave him the playbook, had him sit in meetings, etc. I don't think he was sitting there only rehabbing the whole time
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I didn't say he wasn't doing anything, he made it sound like he was basically running with the scrubs and getting run through group drills. I think many of us expected he was being prepped to make an impact sooner rather than later, hence Jerrys confidence we were fine at WR and would find no one better or able to contribute sooner than what we had.

But it looks like they were taking the safer crawl before you can walk method, which is probably better but also means we shouldn't be expected much more than typical rookie production from him anytime soon. In other words, he will not be our savior if something goes wrong.
 
theebs;2077340 said:
Our wr are very large. When you see these guys in person they are all big. Crayton and glenn are not but crayton is pretty solid.
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All the WRs came in under Parcells watch. I think he wanted the WRs to be capable blockers to play his brand of football.
 
I think the board has really built this guy up. We know he was an Ireland pet cat who has great physical ability. But what have we actually seen from him? He had one great catch in preseason and one okay KOR in the regular season - that's it.

If we get any production out of him this year, I'll consider it a bonus.

I'm really hoping that Austin takes his game to the next level. He has good size and speed and can run with some authority with the ball in his hands. If he can learn to relax and squeeze the ball I think he can do things on the field. He seems to be a guy who plays fast on the field and he has ideal size for a WR - he just needs to work on squeezing the ball because he looks like he has mastered the getting open part.
 
The nice thing about receivers that used to be quarterbacks is that their learing curve comes from a quarterbacks perspective.

Meaning he has a better concept of what everyone is doing on the plays.

A smarter player does play faster and more effective.

That is why I think a 7th rounder like Crayton has been around as long as he has. He has also been pretty effective as a 7th rounder as well.

Stanback seems to be a better overall athlete than Crayton. So I like the odds of him blossoming as an effective #2 or #3 receiver.
 
TheCount;2077872 said:
I didn't say he wasn't doing anything, he made it sound like he was basically running with the scrubs and getting run through group drills. I think many of us expected he was being prepped to make an impact sooner rather than later, hence Jerrys confidence we were fine at WR and would find no one better or able to contribute sooner than what we had.

But it looks like they were taking the safer crawl before you can walk method, which is probably better but also means we shouldn't be expected much more than typical rookie production from him anytime soon. In other words, he will not be our savior if something goes wrong.
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I agree there, seems they didn't want to overload the information output, cuz that can ruin some young guys, and pretty much had him learn how to be a receiver instead of how to improve to become a better one, I said this last year, and I'll say it again, I wouldn't expect to see Stanback until 2009, at the earliest

but I could be wrong
 
Fingers are crossed on all the young receivers. If just one can come out of that pack, I'll be ecstatic.
 
Most people were upset when we didn't draft a WR to groom for a couple years. The team obviously thinks we have guys better than those in the draft in Stanback, Hurd, Austin, Jefferson and UDFA's like Amendola and Bradford. Plus we have an owner that will spend the money if a real need arises.
 
bkight13;2078950 said:
Most people were upset when we didn't draft a WR to groom for a couple years. The team obviously thinks we have guys better than those in the draft in Stanback, Hurd, Austin, Jefferson and UDFA's like Amendola and Bradford. Plus we have an owner that will spend the money if a real need arises.
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Except we don't have that much money to spend anymore, especially if we resign T.O., and if the "real need" arises in the middle of the season, there won't be anyone to spend it on anyway.

Jerry is exceptional at addressing a problem when it arises, our secondary being the latest example, but problem with doing things that way is that it takes time. You can't add a big time, reliable receiver in the middle of the season if there isn't one to add and it costs a heck of a lot more to do so than to actually draft a guy high and groom him internally.
 
bkight13;2078950 said:
Most people were upset when we didn't draft a WR to groom for a couple years. The team obviously thinks we have guys better than those in the draft in Stanback, Hurd, Austin, Jefferson and UDFA's like Amendola and Bradford. Plus we have an owner that will spend the money if a real need arises.
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That is comforting, but in general, it's not smart to have to depend on free agency or even worse the trade market to upgrade and find starting talent.

Time will tell, but I don't understand how failing to challenge any of your young talent with healthy competition via the draft is a good thing. I also appreciate the weak WR draft, but that again is an excuse. We sound awfully sure about our evaluation of the group as a whole when we completely ignore it.

We paid more attention to second string tight end, which is an infinitely less important position.
 
Alexander;2078970 said:
That is comforting, but in general, it's not smart to have to depend on free agency or even worse the trade market to upgrade and find starting talent.

Time will tell, but I don't understand how failing to challenge any of your young talent with healthy competition via the draft is a good thing. I also appreciate the weak WR draft, but that again is an excuse. We sound awfully sure about our evaluation of the group as a whole when we completely ignore it.

We paid more attention to second string tight end, which is an infinitely less important position.
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this is why we pay the scouts and coaches
 
We haven't drafted WRs in quite a while. Jerry is right to look for instant talent via trades, FA and the TO scenario but you have to hedge your bets with some WR infusion via the draft. I'm not saying you have to draft round one prospects. But you can't just hope you hit it with UDFAs. For every Romo there is five failures. Ok, I have no idea the exact numbers but you get the picture.
 
jobberone;2078995 said:
We haven't drafted WRs in quite a while. Jerry is right to look for instant talent via trades, FA and the TO scenario but you have to hedge your bets with some WR infusion via the draft. I'm not saying you have to draft round one prospects. But you can't just hope you hit it with UDFAs. For every Romo there is five failures. Ok, I have no idea the exact numbers but you get the picture.
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The ratio is MUCH worse than that.

Hell, we haven't even hit on an UDFA really, go to NFL.com or whatever and look up how many of the top 40 receivers were undrafted. At the bottom of the list you start running into guys like Brian Westbrook and Chris Cooley, not even WR's, and still not a single one of those WR's were undrafted except for like David Patten.

What are the chances we'll get a #1 out of our undrafted guys? Nearly zilch.
 
TheCount;2078998 said:
The ratio is MUCH worse than that.

Hell, we haven't even hit on an UDFA really, go to NFL.com or whatever and look up how many of the top 40 receivers were undrafted. At the bottom of the list you start running into guys like Brian Westbrook and Chris Cooley, not even WR's, and still not a single one of those WR's were undrafted except for like David Patten.

What are the chances we'll get a #1 out of our undrafted guys? Nearly zilch.
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Exactly, which is why I keep laughing when guys predict Amendola making the 53 man roster. He's an undrafted WR...he's most likely going to be cut and put on the practice squad, and I seriously doubt that the other teams who wanted to sign him as an undrafted WR are going to cut someone to put him on their 53 man roster...these are guys everyone wanted to put on the practice squad and see what happens with them over the next couple of years.

I expect Amendola and Polk to end up on our practice squad at best...guys like Austin and Hurd may step up at WR this year, but they've also proven themselves of value on special teams.
 
The fact of the matter is nobody knows what's going to happen yet. Marques Colston was a 7th round pick, which is close enough to an UDFA but he made an impact as a rookie. Stuff happens, it's the NFL, you just never know until training camp and the season starts.
 
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