DMN Blog: Preston ... er ... Drew Pearson not optimistic about Ring of Honor chances

[Hostile]

You know I was just being facetious right? I have stated often that all 3 that you mentioned all deserve to be inducted in the ROH, as well as the HOF.

I know it BAT, but when has that ever stopped me from getting on my sopabox to rant?

You opened the door to the pulpit and I let 'er fly.

 

[Hostile]

while i do agree that Drew should be in the ROH.....i do disagree that Jerry has ignored past players when deciding ROH guys.....before Jerry bought the team there were only 6 names in it since hes put in 11....only 3 of those 11 were Jerrys guys the others were all before he bought the team players and staff....

so if there is fault of players getting passed over that blame falls on Bum and Murchison....IMO

Well, first of all they were not being passed over by Bum or Clint, because Tex ran the team. I do think Bum Bright had a little to do with no additions because he was a noted tightwad, but Clint was not, and I believe he should be exonerated.

Second of all, the team had its Genesis in 1960 and did not induct anyone until Bob Lilly in 1975. So from 1975 to 1988 the Ring of Honor was under Tex's watch. That's a 13 year window. I do think he was slow on the trigger to induct Lee Roy, Cliff, Rayfield, Bob, Harvey, Drew, and others. Trust me on this, I was critical of Tex for that. I genuinely do not like it that those guys are absent and it is just as true for Tex as it is for Jerry.

Bob Lilly retire din 1974. In 1975 he was inducted into the Ring of Honor. The very first one. That established a pattern in my opinion. There didn't need to be a waiting period. Later Tex changed it a little and made it about 4 years. The exceptions were Meredith and Perkins who retired in 1968 and were inducted in 1976. I understand that. No one was going in before Bob Lilly. I admire Tex for that. He immediately put them in the next year.

After that, 4 year wait for Howley, Renfro, and Roger. I have no idea why Tex flinched on the guys I mentioned above. I would love to know the reason.

Maybe knowing that would change my opinion a little. Maybe not. It doesn't change the fact that Jerry has done very little to fix these errors and ommissions. Has he done nothing? No, and I am not saying he has.

Landry and Schramm deserved the same honor as Lilly and Emmitt. Immediate inductions. They deserve to go in together. Tex deserved to be alive when he went in. His wife deserved to be alive to see it.

Waiting for this honor is wrong in my opinion. When players have earned something, honor them. I am not saying Jerry doesn't. The legacy walk for the apvers at the new stadium and a desire to do a Cowboys Hall of Fame are indications he does get it. If he gets it, why is he not honoring these men this year?

The man is dead wrong not to. IMO.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Well, first of all they were not being passed over by Bum or Clint, because Tex ran the team. I do think Bum Bright had a little to do with no additions because he was a noted tightwad, but Clint was not, and I believe he should be exonerated.

Second of all, the team had its Genesis in 1960 and did not induct anyone until Bob Lilly in 1975. So from 1975 to 1988 the Ring of Honor was under Tex's watch. That's a 13 year window. I do think he was slow on the trigger to induct Lee Roy, Cliff, Rayfield, Bob, Harvey, Drew, and others. Trust me on this, I was critical of Tex for that. I genuinely do not like it that those guys are absent and it is just as true for Tex as it is for Jerry.

Bob Lilly retire din 1974. In 1975 he was inducted into the Ring of Honor. The very first one. That established a pattern in my opinion. There didn't need to be a waiting period. Later Tex changed it a little and made it about 4 years. The exceptions were Meredith and Perkins who retired in 1968 and were inducted in 1976. I understand that. No one was going in before Bob Lilly. I admire Tex for that. He immediately put them in the next year.

After that, 4 year wait for Howley, Renfro, and Roger. I have no idea why Tex flinched on the guys I mentioned above. I would love to know the reason.

Maybe knowing that would change my opinion a little. Maybe not. It doesn't change the fact that Jerry has done very little to fix these errors and ommissions. Has he done nothing? No, and I am not saying he has.

Landry and Schramm deserved the same honor as Lilly and Emmitt. Immediate inductions. They deserve to go in together. Tex deserved to be alive when he went in. His wife deserved to be alive to see it.

Waiting for this honor is wrong in my opinion. When players have earned something, honor them. I am not saying Jerry doesn't. The legacy walk for the apvers at the new stadium and a desire to do a Cowboys Hall of Fame are indications he does get it. If he gets it, why is he not honoring these men this year?

The man is dead wrong not to. IMO.

boy are you fired up Hostile, go get them;

 

[dadymat]

Well, first of all they were not being passed over by Bum or Clint, because Tex ran the team. I do think Bum Bright had a little to do with no additions because he was a noted tightwad, but Clint was not, and I believe he should be exonerated.

Second of all, the team had its Genesis in 1960 and did not induct anyone until Bob Lilly in 1975. So from 1975 to 1988 the Ring of Honor was under Tex's watch. That's a 13 year window. I do think he was slow on the trigger to induct Lee Roy, Cliff, Rayfield, Bob, Harvey, Drew, and others. Trust me on this, I was critical of Tex for that. I genuinely do not like it that those guys are absent and it is just as true for Tex as it is for Jerry.

Bob Lilly retire din 1974. In 1975 he was inducted into the Ring of Honor. The very first one. That established a pattern in my opinion. There didn't need to be a waiting period. Later Tex changed it a little and made it about 4 years. The exceptions were Meredith and Perkins who retired in 1968 and were inducted in 1976. I understand that. No one was going in before Bob Lilly. I admire Tex for that. He immediately put them in the next year.

After that, 4 year wait for Howley, Renfro, and Roger. I have no idea why Tex flinched on the guys I mentioned above. I would love to know the reason.

Maybe knowing that would change my opinion a little. Maybe not. It doesn't change the fact that Jerry has done very little to fix these errors and ommissions. Has he done nothing? No, and I am not saying he has.

Landry and Schramm deserved the same honor as Lilly and Emmitt. Immediate inductions. They deserve to go in together. Tex deserved to be alive when he went in. His wife deserved to be alive to see it.

Waiting for this honor is wrong in my opinion. When players have earned something, honor them. I am not saying Jerry doesn't. The legacy walk for the apvers at the new stadium and a desire to do a Cowboys Hall of Fame are indications he does get it. If he gets it, why is he not honoring these men this year?

The man is dead wrong not to. IMO.

i agree those guys should be in...but as soon as Jerry puts them in there will be another group who "deserves to be in" itll never stop...my point was that i dont think hes been as negligent as some think towards older players in the ROH....

 

[5mics]

The criteria?

Simple.

Don't attempt to implement a business plan involving the Cowboys without first asking for Jerry Jones' consent. Jones may forgive players whom he has helped bring into the league, but he hasn't been as gracious to those whom came before him.

That's sad then; "boooo" on Jerry if that's the case.

 

[Hostile]

i agree those guys should be in...but as soon as Jerry puts them in there will be another group who "deserves to be in" itll never stop...my point was that i dont think hes been as negligent as some think towards older players in the ROH....

I disagree.

Respectfully.

 

[CF74]

Getting snubbed blows..

 

[jobberone]

I'll back Hos on this one. There was no need to exclude Hayes and Wright from the ROH nor to make Tex wait. That was petty. And the Landry one not going in IMMEDIATELY is disgraceful and beyond spiteful and petty. Landry and Tex should have been honored together and immediately. And Jerry would have looked much better with the firing of Landry.

My only thought as to why may be this. Landry had to be talked into working with Jerry by Staubach if my memory serves me well. He and Tex may have balked at being inducted by Jerry although I don't know that and I'm not saying it is true. But it may be a possible reason. I do know Landry was mad at Jerry, and rightfully so, for a long time. And I do suspect the ill will on both sides of that equation created some difficulty for Tex and for Landry.

Think of this. Given the long drought of no playoff wins or 'success' to put it better, who would own the Cowboys had Jerry not had such early success? Granted he did. But think of how the ROH situation would look had we won even just one SB or that team had not been so dominant.

Jerry, as generous and gracious as he can be, has at times acted with poor judgment. Put Too Tall, Martin, Pearson and even Charlie Waters into the ROH. And Cornell Green is a nobrainer and IMO is even more deserving that Pearson. Even though Pearson is deserving. Pearson and Green should be in the HOF. Too Tall and Martin might just go into the HOF if they get inducted into the ROH.

 

[bbgun]

Jerry should outsource the decision-making to some sort of informal committee comprised of old timers and more recent retirees. Since the team existed long before his ownership and will continue to do so after he takes his last breath, he shouldn't have the unilateral authority to decide who gets in and who doesn't.

 

[jobberone]

Sensible BB.

 

[Hostile]

Jerry should outsource the decision-making to some sort of informal committee comprised of old timers and more recent retirees. Since the team existed long before his ownership and will continue to do so after he takes his last breath, he shouldn't have the unilateral authority to decide who gets in and who doesn't.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. It is much the same way I feel the Hall of Fame should be run instead of writers who never played having votes. There are enough sensible former Cowboys to comprise a great committee.

 

[BAT]

I know it BAT, but when has that ever stopped me from getting on my sopabox to rant?

You opened the door to the pulpit and I let 'er fly.

LOL. Just making sure I was out of the line of fire first.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

does anyone else think that Jerry is trying to make the HOF as exlusive as can be, to the point of lunacy?

 

[BAT]

Jerry should outsource the decision-making to some sort of informal committee comprised of old timers and more recent retirees. Since the team existed long before his ownership and will continue to do so after he takes his last breath, he shouldn't have the unilateral authority to decide who gets in and who doesn't.

I like this idea too, but the committee should advise Jerry, not make the decision unilaterally, unless Jerry/Stephen is on the committe too. Jerry still has to foot the bill afterall.

But instead of old timers/recent retirees, why not make it a vote from all the current ROHers instead? Perhaps Jerry, Stephen & someone like Brad Sham should be on the committe as well.

 

[bbgun]

I like this idea too, but the committee should advise Jerry, not make the decision unilaterally, unless Jerry/Stephen is on the committe too. Jerry still has to foot the bill afterall.

But instead of old timers/recent retirees, why not make it a vote from all the current ROHers instead? Perhaps Jerry, Stephen & someone like Brad Sham should be on the committe as well.

Sure, give Jerry an opportunity to vote/participate, but don't give him "veto" power. Better yet, restrict the voting to former kickers and wait for Hos's head to explode.

 

[BAT]

Sure, give Jerry an opportunity to vote/participate, but don't give him "veto" power. Better yet, restrict the voting to former kickers and wait for Hos's head to explode.

:laugh2:

 

[dadymat]

Jerry should outsource the decision-making to some sort of informal committee comprised of old timers and more recent retirees. Since the team existed long before his ownership and will continue to do so after he takes his last breath, he shouldn't have the unilateral authority to decide who gets in and who doesn't.

maybe just have the ROH members put up their nominations every few years....

 

[Hostile]

Sure, give Jerry an opportunity to vote/participate, but don't give him "veto" power. Better yet, restrict the voting to former kickers and wait for Hos's head to explode.

I would become a sniper.

 

[bbgun]

I would become a sniper.

Sorry, but the guy who wanted to know the exact location of Jerry's stadium suite beat you to it.

 

[Big Dakota]

Sorry, but the guy who wanted to know the exact location of Jerry's stadium suite beat you to it.

Ya, and with the Cowboy's luck in the last 15 years the bullet would hit Ciskowski and we'd be back to Jerry taking the Q's of the world.