DMN Blog: Tony Romo's take on leadership

[BigDFan5]

We have a QB who in 67 starts has 81 TD passes 46 ints hitting 63.6 percent of his passes with a QB rating of 94.7 excuse me if I'm not ready to ditch him.

Maybe someday he will be "serviceable" :laugh2:

 

[TNCowboy]

We have a QB who in 67 starts has 81 TD passes 46 ints hitting 63.6 percent of his passes with a QB rating of 94.7 excuse me if I'm not ready to ditch him.

Perhaps I've missed it, but I don't see anyone advocating that.

Questioning whether or not he is the real deal is vastly different from tossing him to the curb.

 

[skicat1898]

Dooms, you need to crunch the December and January numbers.... And also, look at the collective rank of each defense he put great numbers up against at the time he achieved said near perfection.

 

[Doomsday101]

Maybe someday he will be "serviceable" :laugh2:

Should Dallas go out and win all these theories will fade, in the end it is about winning. In my view it takes more than a QB to go out and win big games it takes a team. I have seen QB who were not top notch on SB teams it was not the great play of the QB that got the team to that point it was the team itself that wins big games. I consider the football as the ultimate team sport it is never 1 guy and as important as a QB is he can only control so much. Romo share in the disappointment I don't take that away from him but in the end the team failed not Romo alone.

 

[Stash]

We have a QB who in 67 starts has 81 TD passes 46 ints hitting 63.6 percent of his passes with a QB rating of 94.7 excuse me if I'm not ready to ditch him.

I didn't see anyone advocating dumping him.

But it is possible to have a criticism without claiming he's worthless.

On the flip-side, he's not beyond question either.

At least not until he wins a championship...

 

[BigDFan5]

Perhaps I've missed it, but I don't see anyone advocating that.

Questioning whether or not he is the real deal is vastly different from tossing him to the curb.

No reply for me DT?

 

[Doomsday101]

Dooms, you need to crunch the December and January numbers.... And also, look at the collective rank of each defense he put great numbers up against at the time he achieved said near perfection.

Not I don't I all I need to do is look at the overall play of the team. Romo poor play goes hand in hand with the poor play of others. Romo can't block or run the routs, he does not play defense. Hell vs the Ravens it was not Romo who gave Balt 2 long rushing TD's back to back. The Dallas Cowboys failed Romo is part of that but not the sole reason. He has to do better about taking care of the ball but blockers have to do better protecting him and his weapons have to do a better job of taking care of their assignments. It is a team game and as long as I have been watching football that has not changed it still takes a team to win.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No reply for me DT?

here's one

 

[wileedog]

Has Romo proven he isn't a a choker?

Not to the extent that McNabb has proved he is.

And again, I think Romo is simply a better QB. The numbers bear it out.

Roethlisberger couldn't challenge Romo for a starting job if the 2 were on the same team.....are you serious?

Challenge? Maybe. But I don't think he would win it outright for sure. His numbers certainly aren't overtly better so far than Romo's.

And challenge is a pretty foolish metric. You could say Romo could "challenge" anyone in the league for a starting spot outside of Manning and Brady. What does that prove?

Look at who is outright better than Romo, or without blinking you would take ahead of him. Its a small list.

 

[Doomsday101]

I didn't see anyone advocating dumping him.

But it is possible to have a criticism without claiming he's worthless.

On the flip-side, he's not beyond question either.

At least not until he wins a championship...

I did not say he was beyond criticism and as far as Championships goes that in my view is still something a team does not any 1 person. That seems to be the media misnomer and where the old saying QB take too much credit for wins and too much blame for loses because the reality is as important at the QB is he can't and will not win championships alone and it has never happened

 

[28 Joker]

Brady, Manning, Rivers

That's 3.


Then there's 4-20.

Tebow is so good he gets counted that many times.

Vintage,

Tebow is a great leader. He has those great traits that I will not get into. Your play on the field allows you to establish yourself and allows you to assert yourself. The quarterback has to assert himself in the huddle and to the team. Tebow holds all units accountable for their play and preparation. As a result, they know Tebow wants to win. Tebow motivates them, too.

Furthermore, Percy Harvin allows Tebow to lead. Tebow's credentials and position dictate this. Owens is seen like a "King" in the lockerroom by many players based on his past production. Romo is trying to establish himself and his legacy, and Owens' poor attitude and need to be the "lead dog" under-cuts Romo's ability to lead. Not only that, but Owens will use Romo's poor games, like Pittsburgh, against him in the lockeroom in order to sustain his position of "the lead dog". Would Percy Harvin ever throw Tim Tebow to the wolves after a bad game? He sure didn't after the Ole Miss game. Harvin has no "need" to be "the guy". He knows Tebow is "the guy", and he supports him through good and bad. Those guys need each other. I think Owens needs the spotlight on him.

Romo needs to improve his leadership for sure, and improving the environment around him is a positive step to helping him along the way. He shouldn't be laughing about throwing the ball with his left hand when Williams was open from the start of the play. He should have been focussed on how to get the Cowboys 4 more points on a drive that could have been the game. Joe Montana wouldn't have been laughing at that point. He would have been upset with himself for not seeing it sooner, and he would have known how important that redzone possession was. Throwing the pictures to the ground, when Jason Garrett is trying to help him, against the Bengals demonstrated a poor attitude. A talented quarterback is hard to find. I'll take my chances with him becoming the type of leader that he needs to be.

Also, I think Parcells hit it on the head in regards to having a "strong support system" around Tony Romo. What is that "strong support system"? Parcells was talking about surrounding Romo with good players. Romo had leaky pass protection. His LT played with one arm and no hands, because the backup LT can't do it. He played with a LG that about got him killed last year. He played with a 35+ year old WR who couldn't get open. Owens got his big plays when teams let him off the line free. "The player" has become a one trick pony who's best chance to make a big play is the bomb. If you can't beat the quick jam and get away from good corners, you can't get open on a bomb route or get separation on other routes. Moreover, Roy Williams couldn't get separtation in December due to his plantar fascitis.

Second, Parcells knows Romo needs the coaches to set parameters for him. This includes managing field positon and demanding the very best out of him. That means letting him know that "punts" against the Ravens are unacceptable. The head coach should have been able to help Jason Garrett manage the field positon in some of the critical games that could have or should have been won. Helping Garrett play his cards "close to his vest", at times, should not be that hard for the head coach. It should be obvious and easy to do. Phillips should have asserted himself into that role. That didn't happen, and Romo suffered from it.

Tony Romo has to be the extention of the Jason Garrett on the filed. He has to be an extention of the head coach. It is a big responsibilty, but it is the job of an NFL quarterback. Romo has to demand the best out of his offense. He should have challenged Owens for his poor play and blame game, but he didn't. That was a mistake. Romo could have won the respect of his team, but he allowed Owens to win a "propaganda war" by not standing up to him. Let him blow up if he isn't a team player who is above a critique of his performance. Let him do his situps in the driveway. Romo stood back and let Owens run over him and the offensive coordinator. The results speak for themself. He played into Owens' hands by not responding to his challenges.

Anyway, that's my opinion.

 

[wileedog]

Myself, I fall between the 1st and 2nd group,,,, the kid has a lot to prove and we were saying that last year.

The guy threw for 4000 yards and 36 TDs last year. If Crayton doesn't pull up on a route we aren't having this conversation.

What does he need to prove other than he can play better with a broken pinky and ribs and a line impersonating bullfighters?

 

[Beast_from_East]

Before Romo trys to guess at what he thinks made Michael JOrdan a leader why don't he call Mike up to find out how a winner thinks! Don't guess call him up! Call Aikman and find out you should have kept your TAIL at home before a huge playoff game lasy year against the Giants! The worst thing Dallas need is your QB who doesn't care about winning and losing. Romo is not a leader but another guy in the lockeroom but I can't wait until his failed term is up! Romo is a gutless coward. You are the QB you are suppose to lead the team! This guy don't want anyone telling him what he needs to do to be successful but will try and use his thoughts on what made MJ a leader..Open you stupid ears up and listen to a guy whose won.

Failed term???

We had 17 starting QBs between Aikman and Romo and you are ready to go back to that well again???


Count me out, we dont win 5 games this year without Romo. In case you have not noticed, probowl QBs dont exactly grow on trees.


For all the guys that want Romo gone, I want to hear who you have lined up to replace him. Considering we have no 1st round pick and only about $10 mill in cap space to resign Ware and have money for our draft picks.

Who you got lined up???

 

[wileedog]

I his defense, Manning was getting his team to the playoffs consistantly.

Manning has (had) a HC with full authority and a GM who knows what he is doing. Manning is great, but as noted he never won a thing until they gave him a defense.

But I think leadership is a significant positive for a team.

And a trait the current Cowboys are sorely in need of - in many areas.

I don't disagree with this, and I do agree Romo can handle things better. No doubt about it he needs to mature, and I question things like Cabo trips and appearing every other day on YouTube singing with a rock band somewhere. Not that he should be studying football 24/7, but it does show a little of his "yeah whatever" mindset which seems to drive everyone nuts.

But to say he is not one of the top QBs in the league is foolish. And to disparage his leadership when there is no authority above him either, or by comparing him to a future HOFer who had Jimmy Johnson at his back is a little unfair as well.

 

[Vintage]

Vintage,

Tebow is a great leader. He has those great traits that I will not get into. Your play on the field allows you to establish yourself and allows you to assert yourself. The quarterback has to assert himself in the huddle and to the team. Tebow holds all units accountable for their play and preparation. As a result, they know Tebow wants to win. Tebow motivates them, too.

Furthermore, Percy Harvin allows Tebow to lead. Tebow's credentials and position dictate this. Owens is seen like a "King" in the lockerroom by many players based on his past production. Romo is trying to establish himself and his legacy, and Owens' poor attitude and need to be the "lead dog" under-cuts Romo's ability to lead. Not only that, but Owens will use Romo's poor games, like Pittsburgh, against him in the lockeroom in order to sustain his position of "the lead dog". Would Percy Harvin ever throw Tim Tebow to the wolves after a bad game? He sure didn't after the Ole Miss game. Harvin has no "need" to be "the guy". He knows Tebow is "the guy", and he supports him through good and bad. Those guys need each other. I think Owens' needs the spotlight on him.

Romo needs to improve his leadership for sure, and improving the environment around him is a positive step to helping him along the way. He shouldn't be laughing about throwing the ball with his left hand when Williams was open from the start of the play. He should have been focussed on how to get the Cowboys 4 more points on a drive that could have been the game. Joe Montana wouldn't have been laughing at that point. He would have been upset with himself for not seeing it sooner, and he would have known how important that redzone possession was. Throwing the pictures to the ground, when Jason Garrett is trying to help him, against the Bengals demonstrated a poor attitude. A talented quarterback is hard to find. I'll take my chances with him becoming the type of leader that he needs to be.

Also, I think Parcells hit it on the head in regards to having a "strong support system" around Tony Romo. What is that "strong support system"? Parcells was talking about surrounding Romo with good players. Romo had leaky pass protection. His LT played with one arm and no hands, because the backup LT can't do it. He played with a LG that about got him killed last year. He played with a 35+ year old WR who couldn't get open. Owens got his big plays when teams let him off the line free. "The player" has become a one trick pony who's best chance to make a big play is the bomb. If you can't beat the quick jam and get away from good corners, you can't get open on a bomb route or get separation on other routes. Moreover, Roy Williams couldn't get separtation in December due to his plantar fascitis.

Second, Parcells knows Romo needs the coaches to set parameters for him. This includes managing field positon and demanding the very best out of him. That means letting him know that "punts" against the Ravens are unacceptable. The head coach should have been able to help Jason Garrett manage the field positon in some of the critical games that could have or should have been won. Helping Garrett play his cards "close to his vest", at times, should not be that hard for the head coach. It should be obvious and easy to do. Phillips should have asserted himself into that role. That didn't happen, and Romo suffered from it.

Tony Romo has to be the extention of the Jason Garrett on the filed. He has to be an extention of the head coach. It is a big responsibilty, but it is the job of an NFL quarterback. Romo has to demand the best out of his offense. He should have challenged Owens for his poor play and blame game, but he didn't. That was a mistake. Let him blow up if he isn't a team player who is above a critique of his performance. Let him do his situps in the driveway. Romo stood back and let Owens run over him and the offensive coordinator. The results speak for themself. He played into Owens' hands by not responding to his challenges.

Anyway, that's my opinion.

So you took a Tebow post....

And somehow made it come back to Owens.

Congrats.

That takes skill.

 

[BigDFan5]

So you took a Tebow post....

And somehow made it come back to Owens.

Congrats.

That takes skill.

Seriously that is obsession defined LOL

 

[TNCowboy]

No reply for me DT?

BD, you're such a homer, there's no point in mentioning anyone to someone who thinks that there's only 5 guys who could challenge Romo for a starting job.

It's not that hard to figure out. Take the top 2/3rds of the QBs in the league, and that's pretty much it.

Of course, I'm sure you'd scoff at the notion that Roethlisberger or McNabb could challenge Romo for a job, much less Ryan.

 

[Oh_Canada]

The team was good enough to beat the Cardinals twice already earlier in the year, and won the NFC East over the Cardinals. Sorry, not buying that that his team wasn't good enough to beat the Cardinals in the playoffs.


And if Troy was borderline "brain dead" as you claim, it's amazing how he's able to make a second career announcing, describing the game in a coherent way on the fly, like he has. So I'm not buying that one either.


I guess the magic "leadership" fairy just magically took Troy's leadership ability away from him at some point later that season, since even Aikman was unable to yell at his team and make them stop making mistakes like Tony is supposed to.

Your point that Tony was a leader because had already won 3 Rings proves Romo's point. Troy was a leader because he was on a great team that won. When Troy wasn't on great teams with great organization structure, he didn't have mystical "leadership" abilities (unless you count stamding all by yourself on the sidelines and moping and stewing great leadership). Troy wasn't able to prevent his teammates from making stupid, boneheaded mistakes anymore than Tony currently can. It's up to management and coaching to discipline sloppy and stupid players.

Peyton Manning didn't win a playoff game his first 6 seasons as a starter in the NFL. Magically, he found his "clutch" and "leadership" ability in the same year the Colts found a defense that played well in the playoffs. Funny how that works.

Troy led a team of party animals, misfits, drug users and won three rings doing it...go back and watch him command that huddle and his team on the field and you will instantly tell the difference between the two. If that was Tony he would be partying with those guys instead of studying film and hung over in practice instead of kicking the idiots *** if they weren't performing.

You question Troy because he beat the Cards during the reg. season than lost in the playoffs, which somehow diminishes his credentials....ok but didn't Tony beat the Eagles to start the year as he always does and that proceeded to get his *** whipped in the final game of the season...oh by the way the final game of the season with the playoffs on the line? Didn't Tony beat the Giants twice last season than lose at home in the playoffs??? So what is your point? One loss by Troy Aikman in a playoff game within a career filled with huge wins and championships and suddenly he is less of a leader...guess wins in September and celebrity girlfriends mean more than three Super Bowls.

 

[BigDFan5]

BD, you're such a homer, there's no point in mentioning anyone to someone who thinks that there's only 5 guys who could challenge Romo for a starting job.

It's not that hard to figure out. Take the top 2/3rds of the QBs in the league, and that's pretty much it.

Of course, I'm sure you'd scoff at the notion that Roethlisberger or McNabb could challenge Romo for a job, much less Ryan.

McNabb and Ryan nope

Roth sure he could challenge



How about Jason Campbell is he one of the magic 20?

 

[wileedog]

BD, you're such a homer, there's no point in mentioning anyone to someone who thinks that there's only 5 guys who could challenge Romo for a starting job.

It's not that hard to figure out. Take the top 2/3rds of the QBs in the league, and that's pretty much it.

Of course, I'm sure you'd scoff at the notion that Roethlisberger or McNabb could challenge Romo for a job, much less Ryan.

Turn that around.

Outside of Payton and Brady, who couldn't Tomy Romo 'challenge' for a starting spot?