DMN Blog: What to do with the nine draft picks

[KingintheNorth]

I wouldn't mind trading out of a pick or two to acquire some higher picks for next year.

I agree. Teams usually fall in love with certain players. If a team wants a guy and we don't have anyone we are "in love" with, then we can definitely get some valuable picks for 2010 aka the year we draft Taylor Mays.

 

[dallascowboyfanboy]

Ick. How is that even a question? Davis is a guard. If we want to replace Flo, we're going to have to spend an early pick on a LT.

would really love us to draft Oklahoma's LT Phil Loadholt but doubt he will be around at the #52 pick.

 

[sonnyboy]

I just think we need quality, not quantity. Despite the soap opera that is our team, we have very few holes. We need a few players who can come in and contribute at key positions. Assuming TO is back, we bring back 11 starters on offense. If we lose Canty, Zach, and Burnett we have two holes on defense and it looks like the team may be content with Jason Hatcher and Bobbie Carpenter getting their chances there (which I don't agree with at all).

Not saying you're wrong, I just don't think we have 11 roster spots. I definitely agree with your take on our horrible special teams. I'm hoping that the new coach will get that unit squared away though.

Good post. I just take the opposite approach to draft picks. I believe your better off going with quantity in the draft.

This sorta speaks to my last post on Davis as well.

In FA you looking at a player with 4-7 years of experience and a long track record in the NFL to evaluate.

If I have the chance and the player fills a need, I want to get the best of the best FA's. Sign those great players to huge $40-70 mil deals.

Preferably 4th-5th year guys on my own team that I know, but occassionally a 6th or 7th yr guy and or some other teams FA works as well.

I just feel signing the best and best known players to huge deals is less risky and offers the least chance of failure.

That's how I saw the 2007 Davis signing.

As far as the draft. All draft picks have more risk and uncertainty. Even 1st rd picks. I'm usually in favor of trading down. I'd rather draft a LB in the 3rd and 4th rds, than one in the 2nd. I think you have just as good a chance of getting one good LB with that strategy and still have a chance to get two. You also have less chance of getting one bust with a bigger rookie deal.

No way 11 rookie draft picks make any roster. That's OK.

Maybe 7 do, maybe only 4. I just want an influx of youth and enthusiasm.

And as well as we've done on day 2, I just feel if we draft 3 OL's, we'll get 1 keeper. If we draft 2 S's, we'll get 1 keeper.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

No way we'll actually stay put and draft 11 players. There will be moving up, or down, and trading picks for future picks done on draft day.

We'll likely wind up drafting 6-8 players at the most.

 

[sonnyboy]

If Bill Parcells wants a high-character guy like Chris Canty, who also has some good talent to him, then it should be a priority of Jerry Jones to sign him; which unfortunately, is why I fully expect Jones to let Canty go and getting nothing in return.

I want him back to. It's so easy to fall in love with your own guys and over-rating them.

Get the feeling Canty's been slowly improving and was certainly worth the 4th rd pick.
Love his size 6-7 305 and he's shown some flashes. I'm just affraid he's going to be offered too much money.
He's an ideal FA. 4th year guy, 3 year starter. Never been to the PB, but just a solid guy with more upside.

I hear his agent is asking for $50 mil.

Give you a hypothetical.

Lets say he gets a 7 yr $40mil dollar offer and asks the Cowboys if they care to match.

Now lets say 7th yr DT Haynesworth can be had for a 6 yr $50 mil.

Which way you going? $5.7 mil a yr for a good 5th yr player you know or $8.3 mil a yr for a great player going into his 8th season.
Keep in mind Haynesworth may be the best interior DL in the NFL and we could use a true NT. He's listed at 6-6 335.

 

[dbair1967]

If Bill Parcells wants a high-character guy like Chris Canty, who also has some good talent to him, then it should be a priority of Jerry Jones to sign him; which unfortunately, is why I fully expect Jones to let Canty go and getting nothing in return.

Oh yeah, Parcells was right on everybody wasnt he? Never got one wrong.

Guess somebody disguised as Parcells decided to draft Bobby Carpenter, Al Johnson, Jacob Rogers, Stephen Peterman, Skyler Green etc etc etc

 

[dbair1967]

I want him back to. It's so easy to fall in love with your own guys and over-rating them.

Get the feeling Canty's been slowly improving and was certainly worth the 4th rd pick.
Love his size 6-7 305 and he's shown some flashes. I'm just affraid he's going to be offered too much money.
He's an ideal FA. 4th year guy, 3 year starter. Never been to the PB, but just a solid guy with more upside.

I hear his agent is asking for $50 mil.

Give you a hypothetical.

Lets say he gets a 7 yr $40mil dollar offer and asks the Cowboys if they care to match.

Now lets say 7th yr DT Haynesworth can be had for a 6 yr $50 mil.

Which way you going? $5.7 mil a yr for a good 5th yr player you know or $8.3 mil a yr for a great player going into his 8th season.
Keep in mind Haynesworth may be the best interior DL in the NFL and we could use a true NT. He's listed at 6-6 335.

Keep in mind that DeMarcus Ware is eons better than both of them, and much more of a priority for us to re-sign. Since his deal is gonna dwarf those, alot of you people need to quit daydreaming about other guys signing 7-8-9 million dollar a yr deals

 

[gimmesix]

The one play I always think about with Jenkins is the one against STL where he left his man to double team a player that was already covered. His was left open with no one guarding him, but they never got him the ball.

You guys know the play I'm talking about?

I blame that as much on the coaching staff as Jenkins. Forever it seems, this staff kept trying to turn man-to-man corners into zone corners and what we kept ending up with was blown assignments.

Zone defense takes a lot of discipline, and that's especially hard to show for a rookie who has never had to play it.

Phillips' defense is supposed to be all about playing to the strengths of the players, but he seems to have trouble applying that to the cornerback position.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The one play I always think about with Jenkins is the one against STL where he left his man to double team a player that was already covered. His was left open with no one guarding him, but they never got him the ball.

You guys know the play I'm talking about?

I didn't get to see the play, but even a vet like Bradie James left his responsibility on a play to join in chasing down the QB, that 2 other players were going after, leaving the flat wide open

 

[irvin4evs]

Leonard Davis needs to stay at guard. Period.

Seriously. This is one thing I will lose my **** over. If Jerry puts LD at LT, I will flip.

Edit: As far as Jenkins, I'm worried about him, but he is really talented. I see the sort of personality that I see in players like Flozell Adams and Terry Glenn--turds with tons of talent who just don't really care that much and flinch when things get tough.

However, he did stick his nose in for an awesome stop at the LOS against one of our late season opponents. I can't remember against who, but he chumped a blocker and then stuck it to the receiver off a screen. That was awesome.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

And we'll have 11 picks, not nine, after the comp picks are awarded. The media might catch on to that eventually.

You give them too much credit.


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[Chocolate Lab]

How does he justify Jenkins not playing well?

Because of that missed tackle?

I'd say for a ROOKIE he played decent and above my expectations at least.

I guess he didn't see that list where Jenkins was the 18th best corner in football. :laugh2:

Jenkins did great other than that one ole'. All he needs to do is learn from Newman's work ethic and he'll be a good player for a long time.

And as for that one play against the Rams, he just messed up. That's what rookies do.

 

[28 Joker]

I guess he didn't see that list where Jenkins was the 18th best corner in football. :laugh2:

Jenkins did great other than that one ole'. All he needs to do is learn from Newman's work ethic and he'll be a good player for a long time.

And as for that one play against the Rams, he just messed up. That's what rookies do.

And...

He lived to tell about it. They didn't even make the play.

 

[Biggems]

How does he justify Jenkins not playing well?

Because of that missed tackle?

I'd say for a ROOKIE he played decent and above my expectations at least.

that was not a missed tackle....in order to miss a tackle you have to at least make the effort to try and make the tackle. What Jenkins did was act like a doorman......holding the door so the rich man could walk into the hotel untouched. That was the most matador of defensive efforts I have ever seen, and I still and disgusted by it.

 

[jterrell]

The one play I always think about with Jenkins is the one against STL where he left his man to double team a player that was already covered. His was left open with no one guarding him, but they never got him the ball.

You guys know the play I'm talking about?

Yes, I do.

Jenkins was confused for sure but even if they had tried to go to his guy he may well have made up the ground. Because as bad as Jenkins is as a tackler, he was that good in pure coverage. He gave up less deep yards than either Henry or TNew in 2008.

 

[jterrell]

that was not a missed tackle....in order to miss a tackle you have to at least make the effort to try and make the tackle. What Jenkins did was act like a doorman......holding the door so the rich man could walk into the hotel untouched. That was the most matador of defensive efforts I have ever seen, and I still and disgusted by it.

It was pathetic but you must not have watched Deion play here.

Deion routinely did that and stated he was too valuable to risk injury making tackles. Deion would have never tackled Brandon Jacobs either.

 

[slotshot]

I know this isn't a popular view around here, but why not draft 11 players?

Don't know about you people, but I'm very impressed with how this team has drafted these past 2 years.

Especially on day two. We've hit on a few diamonds there.

Good chance we lose Burnett and Canty. We need help at S and OL for sure.

Our scouts have done such a good job these past 2 years, why not maximize thier work this year by selecting 11 players.

If we go into the draft with that mind frame we can truely stick to the board and draft the BPA.

Look to draft:

1-2 QB's
3-4 OL's
1-2 WR's
0-1 FB's
2-3 DL's
2-3 MLB's
2-3 S's

The only positions I'd look to take off the board are RB and TE.

So what if 5 or 6 picks don't make the roster. I believe 8 of our 11 picks are 2nd day selections that get little to no signing bonus money. So if they don't make the team, there's little impact on the cap.

I just see this team in an ideal position to benefit from multiple lower round drafted rookies.

1) We aren't looking to bring in higher priced FA's. If anything we going to lose a few players to FA.
2) We have a star laced team yet lack depth. Clear eveidence of that is our poor special teams.
3) We are looking to change the atmosphere and churn the bottom 3rd of the roster.

Just makes sense. Maybe we get lucky and draft 8 players who make the team. Perhaps we get even luckier and find 2-4 players the caliber of Scandrick and Bennett.

There is absolutely no way that we end up with all 11 picks. Jerry will consolidate a few to move up and/or sell at least one to get more next year. Drafts that reflect all 11 picks are doomed.

 

[sonnyboy]

There is absolutely no way that we end up with all 11 picks. Jerry will consolidate a few to move up and/or sell at least one to get more next year. Drafts that reflect all 11 picks are doomed.

You're probably right. But I don't see how using all 11 picks would doom us. Maybe after multiple trades up and down we still end up with 11 picks, maybe not.

My whole point was with multiple picks and multiple needs (none overly pressing), we could just sit back and draft our board.

Not saying we have to draft 11 guys. Maybe we draft 9, maybe 12!

Since we seem to be doing very well with 2nd day picks these past 2 drafts, why not fully utilize them.

Everyone gets so obsessed with maximizing the value of our picks and not having more than one pick miss the roster.

Since I know we don't have a 1st and I think we only have one pick in the 2nd and 3rd rds, I'm assuming we have 9 2nd day picks.

That should be at least 2 players in each of the remaining 4 rounds.

That's exciting. It means we can draft our board. Truely go with BPA.

So what if 3 or even 4 of these 9 players don't make the roster.

You're simply giving yourself more chances to get hits in rounds 4-7. It's a numbers game and I like our chances given the quality work our college scouts have done recently.

Players drafted in these rds who don't make the roster have little negative effect on the cap.

But the diamonds are huge. The Scandricks and Choices carry small cap numbers.

It's very beneficial to have 15-20 good players on the roster in years 1-4 making 300-500k. Guys taken in rds 4-7 or signed as a rookie FA.

 

[DFWJC]

With eleven picks, the 'Boys should stick to the "BPA" strategy.

BPA is fine, but with 11 picks, the Boys should be packaging some of them for higher picks this year or next. They will do this for sure. They will not draft 11 players.

 

[theebs]

trade them all for a wr ....


right?