DMN: Bob Sturm’s 2015 Cowboys draft pick breakdown: What hurts Chaz Green in battles with defenders

[ThreeandOut]

I suppose he could develop into a LT but looks like a RT now. Not sure why many see him as a swing tackle now. That's Weems job for now. He could kick inside with some work on the running game.

I remember seeing one article where Pollack said he's the swing tackle this season.

 

[jjktkk]

I suppose he could develop into a LT but looks like a RT now. Not sure why many see him as a swing tackle now. That's Weems job for now. He could kick inside with some work on the running game.

Just speculating, but to use a 3rd rounder on Green, the Cowboys do not seem to view Weems as a sure thing as their swing tackle. Its Green's job to lose imo.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Just speculating, but to use a 3rd rounder on Green, the Cowboys do not seem to view Weems as a sure thing as their swing tackle. Its Green's job to lose imo.

Of course.

No one can count on Weems in that he missed the entire season.

 

[jobberone]

I remember seeing one article where Pollack said he's the swing tackle this season.

I've heard that and other things including he won't see the field. I think he needs to stay at RT and learn the pro game. If he progresses well and shows the feet and hands then maybe they'll cross train him. Now that I've said that he'll definitely be the swing tackle this year. My money is on Weems as the swing tackle in spite of the injury last year.

Green has been mentioned as able to move inside which gives him some versatility game day. That might get him on the 45 if they can dress 4 tackles or only two guards.

No one has talked much about backup center.

 

[Alexander]

Of course.

No one can count on Weems in that he missed the entire season.

IIRC his injury was not that severe to make it necessary. Weems could have come back from his injury but it was easier to simply IR him than waste a return designation on the player.

This pick was more on a lack of faith in the player in general as opposed to the injury uncertainty.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

He's fat.

keen observation sir

 

[Gaede]

Still don't like this pick

 

[speedkilz88]

I've heard that and other things including he won't see the field. I think he needs to stay at RT and learn the pro game. If he progresses well and shows the feet and hands then maybe they'll cross train him. Now that I've said that he'll definitely be the swing tackle this year. My money is on Weems as the swing tackle in spite of the injury last year.

Green has been mentioned as able to move inside which gives him some versatility game day. That might get him on the 45 if they can dress 4 tackles or only two guards.

No one has talked much about backup center.

Bernadeau can snap.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Still don't like this pick

I think Davis was the pick and then Baltimore stole him.

But I can't get mad about the team continuing to invest in the offensive line. Reasonable minds can disagree on the player selected but not the philosophy.

Comforting knowing the team isn't going to assume the line will always be a strength because it was last year and it's young.

 

[RS12]

.The deeper you go in the draft, the worse the warts. Durability is a big ugly one

 

[xwalker]

Bob Sturm’s 2015 Cowboys draft pick breakdown: What hurts Chaz Green in battles with defenders
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Published: May 5, 2015 8:51 am


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Florida offensive lineman Chaz Green runs the 40-yard dash at the NFL football scouting combine in Indianapolis, Friday, Feb. 20, 2015. (AP Photo/David J. Phillip)

Chaz Green, T, Florida - 6’5, 314 – RS Senior - 5.16 40

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and when we examine the case of the Dallas Cowboys 3rd round pick, Chaz Green is a great example of that. There were many draft analysts that figured he would either be drafted late on Day 3 of the proceedings, or not at all. But the Cowboys thought he was the 91st best player in this draft and a perfect fit for them to replace the 3rd tackle “swing tackle” of the last 5 seasons – Jermey Parnell, who was signed away for large money in Jacksonville. Now, if either Doug Free or Tyron Smith fall to injury in 2015, odds are pretty good that Green will run onto the field.

Green was once a highly regarded high school recruit, but five years later, Green is fighting to overcome a host of injuries that have kept his Florida career from ever taking off. He redshirted in 2010, injuries cost him a month of the 2011 season (ankle), all of the 2013 season (knee), and part of the 2014 season (ankle). To study his work, we looked at the LSU, Florida State, and Missouri games from this season in particular.

Green wears #75 and plays Right Tackle for the Gators:



What I liked: Green is a big man who has that wide base you want from an edge protector who uses his large kick steps to get back in his stance and squared up to his man on the edge. Green looks quite comfortable in doing this and in the action we looked at seldom lost his edge to a rusher and generally seemed to have his assignment. He has massive hands that allow him to again control his man and to stay on balance and smooth in his protection. In the run game, he can move well and get in space and seek his target before getting him out of the way. He is not real fast, but he moves well enough for a man of his considerable size. He certainly looks the part.



What I did not like: It was certainly difficult to find his snaps. Not only was he basically a 1-year starter at Florida, but even then, he was part of a right tackle rotation that kept him on the sideline. Beyond that, he has a real reputation as being an injury prone player which is the biggest enemy of a football team. He has to prove durable to be useful. Then, in his run blocking when he gets engaged he has very disconcerting issues with being top-heavy and not really ever moving his feet. This leads to an off balance man who then finds his way to the ground too much. When you are in a battle of upper body strength, often the man with the worst footwork loses, and he would lose quite a bit in this scenario. I am sure it can be fixed, but for now it zaps all of your strength if you stop moving your feet as a lineman. His disposition does not seem particularly noteworthy as nasty or physical.



Summary: This is one where you find out about the front office. First round offensive linemen have been targeted and drafted quite well, where the degree of difficulty is much lower. But this team has a reputation of coming up empty in the premium 2nd round-4th round spots in the draft when they go for offensive line help. David Arkin was pick #110 in 2011, Robert Brewster #75 in 2009, James Marten was #67 in 2007, Jacob Rogers was pick #52 in 2004 and all of them were unmitigated disasters. Doug Free was a hit at #122 in 2007, but that is a 20% hit rate on OL over a decade. We also must credit them for Ron Leary as an un-drafted free agent, but that does not balance the percentages too much if you consider all of the later round (5th-7th) picks on the OL over the years. Here is pick #91 on a player that the Cowboys are taking a step out of the consensus to bet on a player that they really like.

You can see his skill set and his tools. You can also see his pedigree. But, for now, we wonder about his durability and his fit as a very important spot on the team from day 1. We also wonder if he might have been available later in the draft, but that, of course, is an unanswerable question. We knew replacing Parnell was going to be an important objective in 2015, and Green appears to be their guy. Now, we see how his summer goes and his performances in Oxnard will be on full display. He has a chance, but a bit of skepticism is fair until proven otherwise.

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The Cowboys normally do well with players that they've spent time with. Pollack went down there for a private workout with him and then he came in for a visit. Very similar to the process with Fred.

It is the players that they draft but have not had direct contact with that have been a problem like Claiborne.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Bummer on the injury bug.

 

[BigD_95]

said before and will say it again. This was a bad pick. He would have been there a round later if not 2 rounds later.

We should have moved up and drafted one of the 2 RBs that went in the 3rd round.

 

[DBOY3141]

said before and will say it again. This was a bad pick. He would have been there a round later if not 2 rounds later.

We should have moved up and drafted one of the 2 RBs that went in the 3rd round.

No way he last till our 5th. 10 (11 if you count Collins) went before Green who was rated 16th tackle overall. 2 more went before our 4th round pick and they were RT's only. I don't think he would have made it to our 5th.

 

[Alexander]

said before and will say it again. This was a bad pick. He would have been there a round later if not 2 rounds later.

We should have moved up and drafted one of the 2 RBs that went in the 3rd round.

It was more shocking to me than anything. We knew they liked him. I was just surprised they felt that motivated to pull the trigger at that point and that they graded him that high on the board. But then again, they did telegraph the OL choice in advance. I just thought it would be more along the lines of the Gibson selection in terms of investment.

 

[burmafrd]

Chaz Green is an athlete in a big body. Dallas drafted him primarily for that. He has work to do but he is the kind of guy you can build into a plus blocker versus both run and pass.

As to the playing time stuff that is overblown IMHO. He was injured and the staffs changed. Florida was very down and they wanted to start grooming young guys.

Not sure how listing/comparing guys drafted back under Parcells has anything to do with this front office. 10 is a nice round number of years but that's pretty lazy stuff form a writer who knows in great detail whose been in charge of the Cowboys' drafting over that period.

The point Sturm was making and went completely over your head is that the Cowboys mid round O line disasters have all the appearences of a instititional problem that transcends coaching staffs. 3 different staffs have failed to have more than 1 hit on the o line from rds 2-7. THAT is his point. So since multiple staffs are making the same mistakes one has to look elsewhere and what is the only constant from the last ten years besides Jerruh? THAT is something that needs to be looked at.

Makes you wonder how a team can hit on 1st rd picks like crazy and then totally miss elsewhere. we did fairly well on 2nd rd picks over the last 15-20 years with the exception of Rogers I believe (LA, Hotel, Gurode). But the moment you go past 2nd we have a grand total of ONE SINGLE O LINEMAN that we drafted that has turned out well.

 

[Zordon]

i would have taken paul dawson here.

 

[Alexander]

So since multiple staffs are making the same mistakes one has to look elsewhere and what is the only constant from the last ten years besides Jerruh? THAT is something that needs to be looked at.

The constant is not 100% Jerry Jones since I doubt he is the one on the road scouting them. People like Ciskowski and the rest of the scouting staff did that. He just signed off on it.

There are certain areas that teams can scout and scout well, you tend to see trends like this. I do not think it is looked at that kind of micro level.

For some reason, Dallas can find linebackers. Somebody on the staff does a good job with that. OL is another story and his been consistently tough, to the point it had to be simplified by taking first round choices across the board.

 

[burmafrd]

The constant is not 100% Jerry Jones since I doubt he is the one on the road scouting them. People like Ciskowski and the rest of the scouting staff did that. He just signed off on it.

There are certain areas that teams can scout and scout well, you tend to see trends like this. I do not think it is looked at that kind of micro level.

For some reason, Dallas can find linebackers. Somebody on the staff does a good job with that. OL is another story and his been consistently tough, to the point it had to be simplified by taking first round choices across the board.

there has to be something that is a systemic problem when you have such a glaring difference between first rd picks and everything else.

 

[ThreeandOut]

The Green selection is certainly a test of whether the current Cowboy brain trust can find OL after the 2nd round. A couple of things give me hope. Many thought that Frederick was a 3rd round pick. The Cowboys thought more highly of him and they've proven to be right. Last year Dallas wanted to trade back into the 3rd round for Trai Turner. He ended up being a pretty solid starter for the Panthers.