DMN: Bob Sturm’s 2015 Cowboys draft pick breakdown: What hurts Chaz Green in battles with defenders

[reddyuta]

I dont like what many college teams are doing with OL rotation,these guys are not conditioned to play the whole game when they come to the NFL.

 

[jobberone]

The Cowboys normally do well with players that they've spent time with. Pollack went down there for a private workout with him and then he came in for a visit. Very similar to the process with Fred.

It is the players that they draft but have not had direct contact with that have been a problem like Claiborne.

I like what I see although I don't anyone has seen as much tape as the scouts have. And they get to talk with the player and his coaches. I didn't use to trust their judgment a lot but I do much more lately.

 

[jobberone]

The point Sturm was making and went completely over your head is that the Cowboys mid round O line disasters have all the appearences of a instititional problem that transcends coaching staffs. 3 different staffs have failed to have more than 1 hit on the o line from rds 2-7. THAT is his point. So since multiple staffs are making the same mistakes one has to look elsewhere and what is the only constant from the last ten years besides Jerruh? THAT is something that needs to be looked at.

Makes you wonder how a team can hit on 1st rd picks like crazy and then totally miss elsewhere. we did fairly well on 2nd rd picks over the last 15-20 years with the exception of Rogers I believe (LA, Hotel, Gurode). But the moment you go past 2nd we have a grand total of ONE SINGLE O LINEMAN that we drafted that has turned out well.

Good points although I do think the current scouting department is better than the past ones.

 

[jobberone]

Bernadeau can snap.

Yeah and I believe he has. Not a huge fan at C and not much more as a G. He's a road grader who gets by in the ZBS. He's imminently upgradeable but yes he can snap. Maybe that works if Fred goes down.

 

[Leadbelly]

In another thread I posted video of Green at LT going up against Bud Dupree and Za'Darius Smith. It's video of the RB Washington drafted, Matt Jones. Green more than handled the job. I didn't see any drop off from the usual LT, DJ Humphries. It's possible Dupree and Smith don't turn into anything special, but scouts at least thought highly enough of them to take one in RD1 and the other in RD4.

I don't think he's anywhere near the realm of Brewster or Arkin. Seems like potential for injury is the main issue. What I wonder is did we pass up a better RT prospect in Daryl Williams for someone who offers better position flex but is a lesser RT.

Dallas certainly telegraphs the players they like.

 

[reddyuta]

In another thread I posted video of Green at LT going up against Bud Dupree and Za'Darius Smith. It's video of the RB Washington drafted, Matt Jones. Green more than handled the job. I didn't see any drop off from the usual LT, DJ Humphries. It's possible Dupree and Smith don't turn into anything special, but scouts at least thought highly enough of them to take one in RD1 and the other in RD4.

I don't think he's anywhere near the realm of Brewster or Arkin. Seems like potential for injury is the main issue. What I wonder is did we pass up a better RT prospect in Daryl Williams for someone who offers better position flex but is a lesser RT.

Dallas certainly telegraphs the players they like.

very good question and the answer i suspect is that they liked Green's versatility a lot plus he is a RKG.

 

[RandyOh]

said before and will say it again. This was a bad pick. He would have been there a round later if not 2 rounds later.

What makes you so sure about that?

 

[DBOY3141]

In another thread I posted video of Green at LT going up against Bud Dupree and Za'Darius Smith. It's video of the RB Washington drafted, Matt Jones. Green more than handled the job. I didn't see any drop off from the usual LT, DJ Humphries. It's possible Dupree and Smith don't turn into anything special, but scouts at least thought highly enough of them to take one in RD1 and the other in RD4.

I don't think he's anywhere near the realm of Brewster or Arkin. Seems like potential for injury is the main issue. What I wonder is did we pass up a better RT prospect in Daryl Williams for someone who offers better position flex but is a lesser RT.

Dallas certainly telegraphs the players they like.

Most scouting reports on Williams is he is only a RT in the NFL. Cowboys wanted someone with potential to play both sides. They worked them both out so at least they did theif homework.

 

[DFWJC]

Green was drafted in the spot that I originally thought we might take a RB in or trade down to get one.

My choice would have to trade down and take Langford or Allen, but that's just me.

Maybe take Tyrus Thompson I the 5th

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Any RB chosen at 91 would have been a reach as bad as Green is claimed to be. Difference is that we had Green rated over guys the cottage industry preferred as opposed to selecting whatever was left from a completely devoid group.

I get the angst over Cooper but people need to just accept that Marinelli doesn't value the big fatty as much as we do. I've decided to set my ego aside -I loved Goldman predraft- and accept that they likely know more than I do. Garrett's program has earned my benefit of the doubt.

 

[big dog cowboy]

What makes you so sure about that?

It's just a common phrase we hear every year after the draft when someone feels like we reached.

 

[Bluefin]

Green has been mentioned as able to move inside which gives him some versatility game day. That might get him on the 45 if they can dress 4 tackles or only two guards.

Frank Pollack mentioned how they need reserve OL who can play multiple positions.

The team will typically only dress 7 OL for games, that means things can get dicey up front in short order.

I'm looking forward to seeing how Donald Hawkins is used this year.

He's listed as an OT but looks like a G to me and he can probably learn C, if asked.

Dallas kept Hawkins around all last season, I hope it's because he showed something worth developing.

Just speculating, but to use a 3rd rounder on Green, the Cowboys do not seem to view Weems as a sure thing as their swing tackle. Its Green's job to lose imo.

The move should definitely have made an impression on Darrion Weems.

I still look at him as the current swing tackle because of experience in our system, but Chaz Green will be given the opportunity to claim the job.

If Weems doesn't step up, there were fans and media who thought he would dethrone Jermey Parnell last year, he will be shown the door.

Swing tackle isn't easy, Tyron Smith said it was the most difficult job on the line last year on an episode of Cowboys Hour.

Green may not be mentally and/or physically ready.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

said before and will say it again. This was a bad pick. He would have been there a round later if not 2 rounds later.

We should have moved up and drafted one of the 2 RBs that went in the 3rd round.

There were two major tackles that were rated higher than the cottage industry. Their fall was commented on ad nauseum. Using the cottage industry rankings anyway is irrational. If they move down then everyone between moves up.