DMN Breer Blog: Eli overrated?

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Eli overrated?

When I first moved here, I remember a couple things hitting me by surprise. Some weren't necessarily job-related, some were. But nothing's gotten me more than this: When the issue of the defense's performance in Week 1 was broached, even now, the idea that the Giants had an elite quarterback was used as a crutch.

Eli Manning? Really? The same guy I'm thinking of? Not Peyton? Eli?

Thing was, coming from the Northeast, the selection of the Giants' No. 10 -- not to be confused with the Colts' No. 18 -- at the top of the '04 draft was already being talked about as a Big Blue blunder. More often than not Eli's first name was followed by a word that was not "Manning," but one that probably shouldn't be used on the blog. Plenty of people thought New York made a huge mistake not holding on to Philip Rivers (although with the season Rivers is having, that may be revised now.)

The truth? Well, let's take a look.

In the season opener, Manning went 28-of-41 (68.3 percent) for 312 yards, four touchdowns and a pick, compiling a 113.1 QB rating. Since? You might want to avert your eyes. Here are the facts:

-- Only once in seven game has he completely more than 60 percent of his passes, and that was against the sorry Falcons.

-- Just twice in those seven games has he thrown more touchdown passes than interceptions, those games being against the Jets and 49ers.

-- In one game since the opener, Manning's thrown for better than 300 yards, against the Falcons.

-- On four occasions since Week 1, Manning's failed to complete more than 55 percent of his passes.

Now, I'll balance this out by saying that Manning has a pretty good completion percentage of 58.2 for the year, his 1,584 yards are fine, and his 13-9 TD-INT ratio is one plenty of quarterbacks wouldn't mind have having. Plus, there's the most important part, and that's that he's been at the controls of a 6-2 team, and the Giants aren't exactly winning despite him. Also, his 23-15 record since 2005 is plenty good.

And any brother comparison must include a couple of other numbers. In his first 47 starts as a pro, Eli's 26-21 and has thrown 53 interceptions. In Peyton's first 47 starts, he was 25-22 with 57 picks.

But staying in the here and now, the Giants offense has, in many ways, taken on the inconsistent personality of its quarterback. Three times, the unit has scored more than 30 points. Three times, it has scored 16 of fewer.

The conclusion? Eli can be very, very good. He can also be unsightly. And while even the best quarterbacks have bumps in the road, the very elite are the ones whose performance doesn't vary wildly from week-to-week. So to call Eli anything but average at this point would probably be a stretch.

Posted by Albert Breer at 10:27 AM (E-mail this entry)
 

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I don't remember too many people saying he was an elite QB back then. But he did have an extremely good game against us. He was remarkably quick and accurate. It was the best game I've ever seen him play, and he hasn't come close since.
 

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He's not nearly as bad as Philip Rivers though. Sure, he's had some problems with accuracy, but Rivers is just ABSYMAL. The guy can't read a blitz even it meant to save his own life. Eli has at least done a decent job reading the blitz.
 

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Ofcourse he's overrated, he plays in New York. Happens all the time.
Can't dismiss the fact that he torched us in week one but just as the giants are saying their defense is vastly different than they were in week one we were also seeing Wade's system still being installed and the kinks worked out.
 

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WoodysGirl;1751914 said:
The conclusion? Eli can be very, very good. He can also be unsightly. And while even the best quarterbacks have bumps in the road, the very elite are the ones whose performance doesn't vary wildly from week-to-week. So to call Eli anything but average at this point would probably be a stretch.

Favre isn't an elite QB in your eyes then. Favre's norm is 3+ INTs or no INTs. When Favre is bad, he can be VERY bad. When he is hot, he can be scorching.
 

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Now, I'll balance this out by saying that Manning has a pretty good completion percentage of 58.2 for the year,
58.2 completion percent is just an average. Nowadays, a good QB completes better than 60% of his passes
his 1,584 yards are fine,
Not really, just middle of the pack for passing yards, not much better than inept Jason Campbell (1520 yards) of skins.
and his 13-9 TD-INT ratio is one plenty of quarterbacks wouldn't mind have having.
Yeah, by horrible QBs.
Plus, there's the most important part, and that's that he's been at the controls of a 6-2 team, and the Giants aren't exactly winning despite him. Also, his 23-15 record since 2005 is plenty good.
During their six-game winning streak, here are the numbers Eli has put up:

101/179, 56% Comp, 1061 Passing yards, 176.8 YPG, 8 TDs and 7 INTs.

Those numbers aren't very impressive and I tend to think they are winning despite of him.

Eli isn't a very good QB, he gets rattled easy and isn't much of leader, at best, just an average QB.
 

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Troy alluded today to the fact Eli simply hasn't been very good.

For Troy we all know accuracy is the king of stats and he feels Eli is wayyy too erratic.
 

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I don't care how piss poor Manning has been in the past, he will put up another good performance against Dallas. So will Shockey and probably Burress. I don't know why but all those guys just seeming always have their a-game vs. dallas.
 

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theogt;1751915 said:
I don't remember too many people saying he was an elite QB back then. But he did have an extremely good game against us. He was remarkably quick and accurate. It was the best game I've ever seen him play, and he hasn't come close since.

Exactly. That was by far the best I've ever seen him have, but since then he's reverted to the mean.

And no one has ever called him elite, except maybe some in NY. Not sure what Breer is talking about there.
 

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Thehoofbite;1751983 said:
I don't care how piss poor Manning has been in the past, he will put up another good performance against Dallas. So will Shockey and probably Burress. I don't know why but all those guys just seeming always have their a-game vs. dallas.
:signmast:
 

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The only problem is that Eli seems to get hot against Dallas...
 

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Thehoofbite;1751983 said:
I don't care how piss poor Manning has been in the past, he will put up another good performance against Dallas. So will Shockey and probably Burress. I don't know why but all those guys just seeming always have their a-game vs. dallas.
Not true, look it up, they have had their share of bad performance days against the Cowboys, more than good performances.
 

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BoysRule2;1751924 said:
He's not nearly as bad as Philip Rivers though. Sure, he's had some problems with accuracy, but Rivers is just ABSYMAL. The guy can't read a blitz even it meant to save his own life. Eli has at least done a decent job reading the blitz.

I'd take Rivers over Eli any day of the weeks and twice on sundays.
 

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No, he's not overrated. He's only as good as the 6-2 Giants need him to be and he's been that.

The Giants are relying on their running game and defense to win in November and December; Eli is the "bus driver." I'd say he's a pretty good one. He's no more overrated than Ben Rotheslhamberger.
 

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well he's not an elite nfl qb but for some reason when ever he plays the boys, he looks like an elite nfl qb. eli has his best games against Dallas
 

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If they were to do it all over again, I bet the Giants take Tony Romo and keep the extra draft picks they gave to SD.

ha ha
 

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Looking at the title, only one word came to mind


DDDUUUUUURRRRRRRR
 

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He's overrated.
If his name was anything but Manning, I wonder if he would have been drafted that high or started that soon.
With experience (like anyone else) he has emerged as a decent QB.
Compare him to his bro in Indy and he pales.
Overrated!
 
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