khiladi;2102169 said:
The key-word is IF he had a run a crossing pattern into his zone. I didn't ask about that situation, what I asked was if there was nobody in the vicinity of Keith Davis as in this particular play.
If this had been Cover 2, Davis would have had to stay in his deep zone and wait to see who comes into it -- whether it was Lloyd or the slot receiver from the other side.
The slot receiver didn't run a crossing pattern. SO what would be the responsibility of Keith Davis in a cover-2 when he only has one threat on his side, that of the receiver manned-up one-on-one against the outside receiver?
To play his deep zone.
The objective of football is to prevent a score. Everything falls into that realm as it concerns defense. Parcells told him to help, not for the sake of the play being called, but to prevent Lloyd from catching the ball. Parcells said very clearly he should have helped out because he had no responsibilites.
That's not what Parcells said.
Here's the quote (you can listen to it yourself at
http://www.4shared.com/file/49859144/7b50e0e1/Parcells_explains_quarters_9-26-05.html ) --
"There was no vertical threat on his side. It was a play-action pass away from him, so he basically was free of any responsibility. Well, the only responsibility, the only receiver left on his side was the guy that caught the ball."
Obviously, if this was Cover 2, none of what Parcells said would have made sense, because you wouldn't understand what he was talking about. If you understand quarters coverage, it makes perfect sense.
When he said, "there was no vertical threat on his side," he didn't mean there was no vertical threat on his side of the field (Lloyd obviously was a vertical threat on his side of the field). He meant there was no vertical threat from the No. 2 receiver on his side, which is EXACTLY what Davis is looking for.
When Parcells said, "it was a play-action pass away from him, so he basically was free of any responsibility," it doesn't mean Davis has no responsibility left at all, he meant he was free of any responsibility for the No. 2 receiver on his side coming vertical, which is his key. Obviously, Davis still has a responsibility, no matter the coverage.
Then he says, "Well, the only responsibility, the only receiver left on his side was the guy that caught the ball." Wait, didn't you just try to claim that Parcells said he had NO responsibilities anymore? Yeah, you did. ("Parcells said very clearly he should have helped out because he had no responsibilites.") But that's not what he's saying. He said once he was free of responsibility for the back (the No. 2 receiver on his side), his "only responsibility" is the outside receiver on his side, Brandon Lloyd ("the guy that caught the ball"). How could Parcells say Lloyd was Davis' "only responsibility" after his read, if Davis had "no responsibilities," as you claimed?
He had that responsibility because that is the only receiver in the area. It would have been the same responsibility if it was cover-2.
Wrong. In Cover 2, the safety must play his zone, not a man. That's why teams flood the zone with two receivers, to stretch the safety. If the safety could leave his zone to double a receiver outside, the post would be wide open every time.
Actually, you got the problem. You won't be leaving your zone in Cover 2 to help out on a deep ball in a tenth of a second, because there is no receiver in the world that can get 20 yards in a tenth of a second.
Who is talking about a tenth of a second?
When did I say after the snap? Why are you qualifying statements that I never qualified?
Parcells is the one who said Davis should have known what to do a tenth of a second after the snap.
The quote again -- "A tenth of a second after the ball was snapped, he should have looked for the X (receiver). A tenth of a second. Because both backs ... he had no vertical threat. It was just a split end on his side. They were in I formation. Simple."
In other words, within a tenth of a second -- or the time it took for the play-action fake -- Davis should have known that the back wasn't coming vertical, which means he could double the outside receiver. He didn't have to worry about anyone else after that point. He didn't have to worry about any other receiver but Lloyd.
Why are you even arguing this? You KNOW we were in quarters coverage, not Cover 2. Are you actually trying to argue that Cover 2 and quarters are the same thing? If not, what is your point?
The responsibility of the scheme is to prevent a score. As a player, you got to know when to read-and-react and make plays on your own. That is what separates average from great.
That doesn't mean you can simply abandon your responsibilities right after the snap.
Have you ever played football and been relevant on the field when you did play?
Yes, I have. And I'm certain you've never coached. Right?
