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[jobberone]

I'm sure that Martin will develop into a really good Guard; however, I don't know that he will be better as a rookie than Leary and Bern were at the end of 2013. It does appear highly likely that he will be the starting RG but I agree that it's not a 100% lock. It's more like 99%.

I would love for Free to not be a lock. Parnell would be a much better run blocker but I doubt if they give him a chance to beat Free with his guaranteed 3.5M salary.

I would hope they play the best five. I was good with the Gs at the end of the year esp the run blocking of Mack. To be fair to all the interior is a unit and they all got thrown in the fire and had never played together regularly. It's no wonder they played better and better as time went by.

The more I've seen of Martin the more I've liked but he shouldn't be handed the job IMO. They should all earn it including Free on the outside. They will play Fred at C because he needs the chance to prove he can do it and do it well. Sitting on the bench behind Mack or another 'not full-time C' with good or better upside is foolish. I don't have too much concern about Fred. He had his rookie growing pains last year. I have to see Martin play and how and if Fred is improved. TC begins in 3 days so we don't have much more wait.

You and I agree completely on Parnell. He's just a better athlete than Free. Someone said (I think Broaddus) he got hurt early on and never got and/or was allowed back in the hunt. I see no reason not to let him or Weems for that matter compete at RT. I've defended Free in the past but only up to the point of calling him a decent RT with decent to solid pass protection and marginal to decent run blocking. There is zero doubt we can upgrade that position. IMO now is the time to try those new shoes on.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

God I hate slideshows.

 

[big dog cowboy]

God I hate slideshows.

Ditto. At least give me the "view all" option.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Ditto. At least give me the "view all" option.

Exactly right.

With a "view all" I don't even bother looking through 98% of them. It's too much time and BS quite frankly.

 

[jobberone]

Well, then don't click on the thread Grumpy Groucho!

Actually I don't like them much either but since you two are more into 'books' with lots of pictures I was thinking specifically of you both.

***fist pump***

 

[jrumann59]

I would hope they play the best five. I was good with the Gs at the end of the year esp the run blocking of Mack. To be fair to all the interior is a unit and they all got thrown in the fire and had never played together regularly. It's no wonder they played better and better as time went by.

The more I've seen of Martin the more I've liked but he shouldn't be handed the job IMO. They should all earn it including Free on the outside. They will play Fred at C because he needs the chance to prove he can do it and do it well. Sitting on the bench behind Mack or another 'not full-time C' with good or better upside is foolish. I don't have too much concern about Fred. He had his rookie growing pains last year. I have to see Martin play and how and if Fred is improved. TC begins in 3 days so we don't have much more wait.

You and I agree completely on Parnell. He's just a better athlete than Free. Someone said (I think Broaddus) he got hurt early on and never got and/or was allowed back in the hunt. I see no reason not to let him or Weems for that matter compete at RT. I've defended Free in the past but only up to the point of calling him a decent RT with decent to solid pass protection and marginal to decent run blocking. There is zero doubt we can upgrade that position. IMO now is the time to try those new shoes on.

I understand the love affair with Parnell, there are enough success stories of DL becoming very good OL Tunei and Williams of Chicago being two that come to mind right away. Using Williams as a bench mark it took him better parts of 4 seasons playing regularly to do it. I just do not think the staff wants to go through the growing pains of RT that may be polished by the time Romo's successor straps on the helmet.

 

[jobberone]

I understand the love affair with Parnell, there are enough success stories of DL becoming very good OL Tunei and Williams of Chicago being two that come to mind right away. Using Williams as a bench mark it took him better parts of 4 seasons playing regularly to do it. I just do not think the staff wants to go through the growing pains of RT that may be polished by the time Romo's successor straps on the helmet.

That's not my reason for wanting him to compete with Free. By my observations Parnell is a better athlete. He has a better punch, at least equal feet and most say better, better hands, and it is a fact he is stronger, more physical and more athletic by measurables. If he can beat Free out then we know where we are heading with contracts going into next year. And I think we have a better OL with Parnell.

 

[jrumann59]

That's not my reason for wanting him to compete with Free. By my observations Parnell is a better athlete. He has a better punch, at least equal feet and most say better, better hands, and it is a fact he is stronger, more physical and more athletic by measurables. If he can beat Free out then we know where we are heading with contracts going into next year. And I think we have a better OL with Parnell.

Yes overall he is better athlete but he is not a better tackle right now. He hesitates a little coming out of his stance, he points a little on assignments. He does not have the mental part of the game down yet. If they were serious about him being a starter I would keep him in every preseason game exposing him to as much live action as possible. The only way he is going to make it over the mental hurdles is going 100% for extended periods of time.

 

[Risen Star]

you had me until here. fred will start because he's the best and smartest center on the team.

That was an odd comment. Frederick is head and shoulders the best center on the team. Bernadeau isn't even in his zip code.

 

[jobberone]

Yes overall he is better athlete but he is not a better tackle right now. He hesitates a little coming out of his stance, he points a little on assignments. He does not have the mental part of the game down yet. If they were serious about him being a starter I would keep him in every preseason game exposing him to as much live action as possible. The only way he is going to make it over the mental hurdles is going 100% for extended periods of time.

I definitely agree something is making him hesitate out of his stance but that's only occasionally. Unfortunately it is still a problem that can't be overlooked. He's not as good as Free is technique wise but that is a problem for Free in that unless he plays very good technique. I haven't looked at him pointing but I don't doubt you. I think the hesitation is mental. That is treated with coaching and reps and experience.

Parnell has much more upside.

 

[jobberone]

That was an odd comment. Frederick is head and shoulders the best center on the team. Bernadeau isn't even in his zip code.

It's odd because you are taking it the wrong way. You might try understanding what I said and why I said it as well as reading the rest of my comments in the thread.

 

[Risen Star]

It's odd because you are taking it the wrong way. You might try understanding what I said and why I said it as well as reading the rest of my comments in the thread.

It's odd because he wasn't in any way a liability in the passing game. It gets odder when you talk about a ham and egger like Bernadeau potentially taking his job.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Well, then don't click on the thread Grumpy Groucho!

Actually I don't like them much either but since you two are more into 'books' with lots of pictures I was thinking specifically of you both.

***fist pump***

Picture books?


I'll have you know my IQ's almost triple digits... My mommy said so.

So there.

 

[jobberone]

Picture books?


I'll have you know my IQ's almost triple digits... My mommy said so.

So there.

I stand corrected.

 

[jobberone]

It's odd because he wasn't in any way a liability in the passing game. It gets odder when you talk about a ham and egger like Bernadeau potentially taking his job.

First of all he did have problems in the passing game. But don't believe me; look it up. Or watch the tape.

Second, I said he'd have to fail at pass blocking to be removed. That's not an extraordinary statement for any player. I also elaborated later.

But you go ahead and twist and spin it. Or you could read what I really said instead of taking shots at me. You can have the last word. Not worth any more of my time.

 

[Risen Star]

First of all he did have problems in the passing game. But don't believe me; look it up. Or watch the tape.

Second, I said he'd have to fail at pass blocking to be removed. That's not an extraordinary statement for any player. I also elaborated later.

But you go ahead and twist and spin it. Or you could read what I really said instead of taking shots at me. You can have the last word. Not worth any more of my time.

Well he's basically a lock to start at center. That doesn't make him the best guy for the job although right now I'd say he is. He was more of a liability in the pass than some seem to think.

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Sorry for spinning your comment of being a liability in the passing game into you saying he was a liability in the passing game.

This was the odd comment. A liability? I'd venture to guess nobody would agree with that statement. Frederick had an excellent rookie year.

 

[jobberone]

Well he's basically a lock to start at center. That doesn't make him the best guy for the job although right now I'd say he is. He was more of a liability in the pass than some seem to think.

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Sorry for spinning your comment of being a liability in the passing game into you saying he was a liability in the passing game.

This was the odd comment. A liability? I'd venture to guess nobody would agree with that statement. Frederick had an excellent rookie year.

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Red = bad
Green = good

That should be simple enough. 4, 2, and 18 = 24 pressures.

Just so everyone else will know the facts.

 

[Risen Star]

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Red = bad
Green = good

That should be simple enough. 4, 2, and 18 = 24 pressures.

Just so everyone else will know the facts.

Well now I'm convinced.

Travis Frederick. A liability in the passing game.

 

[jobberone]

Well now I'm convinced.

Travis Frederick. A liability in the passing game.

Well, you can mock me and be a smart aleck* about it but you were wrong about his strength in pass protection. I'm not the only member to mention or discuss it. It's also been covered and mentioned by scouts.

I've presented facts and all you've done is your usual its my opinion so there. And worse when someone discusses it with you or you see it mentioned you give us mocking and smartarse remarks. That scores you points with your homies and you collect your likes but in reality you add nothing to actual football related debate when you do that. You bring great points to the table when you drop your act and most here including me appreciate that. I suggest you do that more and the other less. JMO and 2 cts.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Well now I'm convinced.

Travis Frederick. A liability in the passing game.

definitely should cut him