DMN: Moore: Restructuring DeMarcus Ware's contract is Cowboys' trickiest off-season deal

[conner01]

i don't think cutting to 5 mil is realistic. but i think if you cut his pay to what he would make on the open market then as we did with free, it's a win/win for both sides
personally i would just thank him for his greatness and move on but i sure can see where jeryy would'nt want to do that. and being loyal to your all time greats is not the worst thing to happen. that said you can't pay him 12 mil. if i could'nt get him to around 6 mil base i would say it's time to move on

 

[Carolina Cowboy]

Agree. Why can't they ever just move on? In New England, he would be gone and there would be no questions or surprises involved.

Not only that, but perhaps a contract ago. That's one of the two things they do really well, outside of having TB.

 

[Next Years Champ]

This will be difficult for both sides

Why is it going to be difficult?

He's not able to play DE.

..he's not able to play LBer..

..the DC is probably leaving if Marrinelli goes to TB..

I don't think anything should be done until we know who the coaches are to be.

 

[Common Sense]

Last I checked he played a heck of a lot more games than Crawford and Bass combined....
Are they done too?

I wouldn't be in a rush to sign Ware to some long-term deal but we already have and have to live with that reality.
You don't want to make a bad decision worse by being foolish.
In an alteration of a Jerry saying. "Don't let your cap money get mad".

6-8 sacks is hardly of zero value in the NFL.

The fans who can't wash their hands quick enough of Ware are not using "common sense" and following all the moves to their likely outcomes.

None of that has anything to do with what I said.

 

[slomoxn]

Please tell me this post is a joke

Sure isn't but feel how you want, I've watched the same things you have and to me he us the friendliest sack leader I've ever seen so joke to yourself bro I'm serious and call me whatever names you feel, don't know you nor you me so IDGAD.

 

[jterrell]

Ravens are considering cutting T. Suggs for cap room. Would save them 7 mil and he has been there quite some time.

Suggs is very interesting to me.
He is on the last year of his deal.
He is owed 7.8m in base money but already has 4.6 in prorated bonus counting against him.

He is either extended and cap hit lowered or he could be released.
Baltimore may want him to take a simple pay cut like we do with Ware but with only 1 year left on his deal that's scarier for Suggs than it would be for Ware.

Also of note is he had a mere 2 sacks in 2012 as be battled injuries but rebounded at age 31 for 10 sacks this year.

I believe he'll get extended and stay with the Ravens.

 

[Section446]

Ware needs to go, it's time to start moving on from the older guys.

 

[Rockport]

Ware's greatness is in numbers, he has never really been an impact player. There were years where he would have multi sack games but they never hardly came in the fourth quarter, game in the line and need to make a play situations. He never really developed a signature move and relies mostly on speed rushing which even back ups and rooks now know to let him run himself out if the play. He may be a HOF but when I look back on defensive players with his numbers they were also game changers. Reggie White, Haley, Taylor, and the guys he actually compares to were game changers and made QBs fear them, he is very good to great but somehow still not in their level. Unless it's just stats, but we need meaningful plays and not a sack 3 min before half time or the end if the game when it's garbage time and it no longer matters. That's my problem with his pay, what he give can be had cheaper.

Good points and observation. He was a great pass rusher but rarely changed the game.

 

[tm1119]

Sure isn't but feel how you want, I've watched the same things you have and to me he us the friendliest sack leader I've ever seen so joke to yourself bro I'm serious and call me whatever names you feel, don't know you nor you me so IDGAD.

Quick, name me 10 defensive players who you think were bigger game changers than Damascus Ware since his rookie year.

 

[Nation]

Not sure you can compare Foug Free to Ware in this situation. lol

Yeah that's the problem, Ware will have 31 teams interested in him. Free would have had a tough time getting a job before training camp injuries piled up.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

No one ANYWHERE on this thread said Ware is a bum. But he's not performing, and hasn't for 2 years now, up to his contract. Not even close.

Yep. But those same people are saying I don't even care if he takes a pay cut, I want him cut then tar and feathered then hung from Valley Ranch rafters.

The amount of hate the guy is getting right now is pretty fantastic.

 

[Rockport]

I agree that he should be cut if he doesn't take a pay cut down to like 5 mill.

 

[Nation]

Is there some way we can trick the Raiders into trading us a first rounder for Ware? Seems like something Belichick would be able to pull off.

 

[slomoxn]

Quick, name me 10 defensive players who you think were bigger game changers than Damascus Ware since his rookie year.

I don't think about it that much bro but that doesn't mean he is that big of one either. He is a stat
Machine but that doesn't mean he is not good at what he does. Why don't you tell me how many games he made a crucial stop in instead, when the team really neede it to possibly get the ball back or win the game.

 

[jobberone]

Why is it going to be difficult?

He's not able to play DE.

..he's not able to play LBer..

..the DC is probably leaving if Marrinelli goes to TB..

I don't think anything should be done until we know who the coaches are to be.

The coaches are not that relevant right now IMO. He has to be able to set the edge and rush the passer. You shouldn't IMO pay him $12 million for what we were seeing. Of course that's up to the FO and Ware and his agent to work out. I think it will be difficult to make this happen without one or both sides being unhappy.

 

[AdamJT13]

Ware's greatness is in numbers, he has never really been an impact player. There were years where he would have multi sack games but they never hardly came in the fourth quarter, game in the line and need to make a play situations. He never really developed a signature move and relies mostly on speed rushing which even back ups and rooks now know to let him run himself out if the play. He may be a HOF but when I look back on defensive players with his numbers they were also game changers. Reggie White, Haley, Taylor, and the guys he actually compares to were game changers and made QBs fear them, he is very good to great but somehow still not in their level. Unless it's just stats, but we need meaningful plays and not a sack 3 min before half time or the end if the game when it's garbage time and it no longer matters.

That's a huge fallacy, which I have addressed before. Ware had as many or more key sacks late in games as any other pass rusher in recent years (15.5 sacks in "late and close" situations over 141 career games, compared with 13.5 in 157 games for Jared Allen, 14 in 186 games for Julius Peppers, 9.5 in 165 games for Terrell Suggs, 9.5 in 145 games for James Harrison, 5.0 in 69 games for Clay Matthews, and I could go on). Expecting any player to come up with key sacks more than a few times a season is simply unrealistic.

And people seem to have this idea that guys like Reggie White, Charles Haley and Lawrence Taylor wreaked havoc for five sacks a game and were unstoppable in the fourth quarter, but that's far from the truth. Even great players rarely come up with sacks. That's why 10 sacks in a season is a great year and more than 16 is extremely rare -- they're not easy to get.

 

[slomoxn]

That's a huge fallacy, which I have addressed before. Ware had as many or more key sacks late in games as any other pass rusher in recent years (15.5 sacks in "late and close" situations over 141 career games, compared with 13.5 in 157 games for Jared Allen, 14 in 186 games for Julius Peppers, 9.5 in 165 games for Terrell Suggs, 9.5 in 145 games for James Harrison, 5.0 in 69 games for Clay Matthews, and I could go on). Expecting any player to come up with key sacks more than a few times a season is simply unrealistic.

And people seem to have this idea that guys like Reggie White, Charles Haley and Lawrence Taylor wreaked havoc for five sacks a game and were unstoppable in the fourth quarter, but that's far from the truth. Even great players rarely come up with sacks. That's why 10 sacks in a season is a great year and more than 16 is extremely rare -- they're not easy to get.

I stand corrected sir, and thank you for the facts.

 

[jobberone]

That's a huge fallacy, which I have addressed before. Ware had as many or more key sacks late in games as any other pass rusher in recent years (15.5 sacks in "late and close" situations over 141 career games, compared with 13.5 in 157 games for Jared Allen, 14 in 186 games for Julius Peppers, 9.5 in 165 games for Terrell Suggs, 9.5 in 145 games for James Harrison, 5.0 in 69 games for Clay Matthews, and I could go on). Expecting any player to come up with key sacks more than a few times a season is simply unrealistic.

And people seem to have this idea that guys like Reggie White, Charles Haley and Lawrence Taylor wreaked havoc for five sacks a game and were unstoppable in the fourth quarter, but that's far from the truth. Even great players rarely come up with sacks. That's why 10 sacks in a season is a great year and more than 16 is extremely rare -- they're not easy to get.

They didn't forget. They just never want to hear any info that doesn't fit their agenda. Good stuff as usual.

 

[Clarkson]

People underestimate how difficult a pass rush is to find. Not saying Ware hasn't declined, but Ware could put up 10+ sacks next year. Cut him? Come on.

 

[jobberone]

People underestimate how difficult a pass rush is to find. Not saying Ware hasn't declined, but Ware could put up 10+ sacks next year. Cut him? Come on.

His production and his salary ARE related but his salary is a problem my itself.