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I stumbled across this list of the top 10 undrafted free agents of all-time (via profootballtalk.com). I checked it out only to see if the great Cliff Harris cracked the list.

Captain Crash, who slipped through 17 rounds after starring at pigskin powerhouse Ouachita Baptist, already got hosed by the Hall of Fame voters. This list just rubs salt on the wound.

Roger Staubach told me recently (how's that for name-dropping?) that Harris revolutionized the way strong safeties are used in run defense. Receivers feared him flying around over the middle of the field. And he could cover, too (a novel concept for a hard-hitting safety, huh?).

Harris and WR Drew Pearson gave the Cowboys a pair of undrafted players on the 1970s all-decade team. I would cry anti-Cowboys bias against Pearson, too, but Jerry's gotta put him in the Ring of Honor first.

I'll let Rick "Goose" Gosselin, our local Hall of Fame rep, continue the campaign to get Captain Crash to Canton. I'll focus on getting him some love from a Web site I'd never heard of until a few minutes ago.
 
Top 10 Un-drafted Players in NFL History
by Jim Weber
HOFMAG.com Exclusive

Each year, some un-drafted free agent becomes a star in the NFL. In 2004, tight end Antonio Gates caught 13 touchdowns passes and had NFL teams scrambling to sign former college basketball players. In 2005, Willie Parker – a backup at North Carolina – became Pittsburgh's featured back and scored on the longest run from scrimmage in Super Bowl history. And last year, Dallas quarterback Tony Romo set the league on fire before bobbling away a playoff game against Seattle. But with 12 un-drafted players currently in the Hall of Fame, where do these "needles in a haystack" rank against the greatest finds of all time? With the NFL Draft set for Saturday, take a look back at the Top 10 Un-drafted Players in NFL History:

10. Kurt Warner (Northern Iowa)
If this list were compiled six years ago, Warner would have been near the top. But Warner's fall from grace was almost as unpredictable as his rise to stardom. Signed by the Packers as an un-drafted free agent in 1994, he was cut before the season started and began his legendary journey to the NFL by playing in the Arena League and NFL Europe. In his first year as a starter in 1999, Warner was named league MVP and Super Bowl MVP. After another Pro Bowl season in 2000, Warner led the Rams back to the Super Bowl in 2001 and won his second MVP along the way – after passing for a ridiculous 4,830 yards, second only to Dan Marino's 1984 season. Since then it's been mostly downhill, however Kurt Warner remains one of the great Cinderella stories in NFL history.

9. Larry Little (Bethune-Cookman)
Signed as a rookie free agent in 1967 by the Chargers, Little had two very uneventful seasons in San Diego before he was traded to the Dolphins, which Chargers coach Sid Gillman infamously called a "nothing-for-nothing" deal. In 1970, new Dolphins coach Don Shula ordered Little to drop 20 pounds and from then on, the big man was off and running. As the team's right guard, Little paved the way for the 1972 undefeated Dolphins, who rushed for a league-record 2,960 yards. A 10-time captain and five-time Pro Bowl selection, Little was inducted to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1993.

8. Warren Moon (Washington)
Despite leading Washington to a win in the 1978 Rose Bowl, Moon went un-drafted because he was unwilling to switch to another position in the NFL. As a result, Moon went north to the CFL, where he won five consecutive Grey Cups. Only then were the Houston Oilers willing to give him a shot, signing the quarterback in 1984. A beneficiary of the run-and-shoot offense in Houston, Moon went on to pass for a formidable 49,325 yards, fourth best in NFL history. He was also named to nine Pro Bowls during the course of his 17-year career. As a result, last year Moon became the first African-American quarterback inducted into the Hall of Fame.

7. Willie Wood (USC)
Wood starred at quarterback while at USC but, unlike Moon, he was willing to switch positions to make it in the NFL. In fact, Wood started a letter-writing campaign to beg NFL teams for a chance. The only person who responded was Vince Lombardi. Extremely undersized for a safety at just 5-foot-10 and 160 pounds, Wood started packing on the pounds and became a starter by his second season. With Ray Nitschke pummeling people as the team's middle linebacker, Wood was the star of the secondary as the Packers racked up five NFL championships. An eight-time Pro Bowler with 48 career interceptions, Wood was inducted in the Hall of Fame in 1989.

6. Adam Vinatieri (South Dakota State)
Many people would find it blasphemous to put a kicker on any Top 10 list, but Vinatieri breaks all the rules. After spending a season with the Amsterdam Admirals of the World League (now NFL Europe), Vinatieri signed with the Patriots in the summer of 1996. Always an extremely reliable kicker, Vinatieri became a legend in the Boston-area in the 2002 playoffs when his 45-yard field goal in the snow forced overtime against the Raiders. Weeks later, he booted a 48-yarder to win Super Bowl XXXVI as time expired. Two years later, he was at it again, hitting the game-winning field goal in the Super Bowl to beat Carolina. Most recently, Vinatieri connected on 14 of 15 field goals in the 2007 playoffs en route to his fourth Super Bowl ring. Not only is Vinatieri considered the most clutch kicker in NFL history, he is now mentioned among the likes of Joe Montana and Michael Jordan as the coolest athlete under pressure ever.

5. Emlen Tunnell (Iowa)
Tunnell's story reads like a movie. At one point spending time in the Coast Guard, Tunnell paid his way to New York in 1948 and asked the Giants for a tryout. He finished his career with 79 career interceptions, second in NFL history only to Paul Krause. Known as New York's "offense on defense," the show had just started once Tunnell picked the ball off; he finished his career with nearly 1,300 interception return yards. With another 2,217 yards gained returning punts, Tunnell was always a threat to score. A member of two championships teams, Tunnell was selected to nine Pro Bowls and became the first African-American enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1967.

4. Antonio Gates (Kent State)
After just four seasons in the NFL, Gates is on pace to destroy the record books. Take into consideration that Shannon Sharpe is the all-time leading tight end in touchdowns. During his 14-year career, Sharpe scored 62 times. Gates already has a whopping 34 touchdowns. A basketball player at Kent State who led the Golden Flashes to the 2002 Elite Eight, Gates' rise to stardom has been well chronicled, signing with the Chargers in 2003 even though he hadn't played football since his senior year in high school. Already named to three Pro Bowls, the sky is the limit for Gates and the San Diego offense also featuring the greatest running back in the game, LaDainian Tomlinson.

3. Marion Motley (Nevada)
Motley entered the league as a 26-year-old rookie in 1946 after playing football for Paul Brown at the Great Lakes Naval Training Station during World War II. A bruising 232-pound fullback for Cleveland, Motley was a man amongst boys. In the late 1960s, Paul Zimmerman – better known as Sports Illustrated's "Dr. Z" – even wrote Motley was the best player he had ever seen. His first two seasons, he even started at linebacker for the Browns. Averaging 5.7 yards per carry, Motley finished his career with 4,720 rushing yards and was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1968.

2. Willie Brown (Grambling)
After being used exclusively as a tight end and defensive end under Eddie Robinson, Brown was initially signed – then cut – by the Houston Oilers. After establishing himself with the Denver Broncos, this Hall of Famer was traded to the Raiders in 1967, where he became a member of the most feared secondary in NFL history. Along with George Atkinson, Skip "Dr. Death" Thomas and Jack "The Assassin" Tatum, they took it as a personal insult when teams passed over the middle. Brown was a lockdown corner that went to four Pro Bowls and collected 54 career interceptions. He is best remembered for his 75-yard interception return for a touchdown in Super Bowl XI, as the Raiders crushed Minnesota, 32-14.

1. Dick "Night Train" Lane (Scottsbluff Junior College)
No discussion about the roughest player in NFL history is complete without mentioning "Night Train" Lane. After four years in the Army, Lane was just looking for a job when he walked into the offices of the Los Angeles Rams and asked for a tryout. Just months later, he set an NFL record with 14 interceptions in just 12 games – a mark that still stands today. Lane left a huge black and blue mark on the game as his signature move, the "Night Train Necktie," forced the league to outlaw tackling players around the head. He also went to seven Pro Bowls and intercepted 68 passes in his Hall of Fame career, with his best years coming as a member of the Detroit Lions. How many people can say that? And who had a better nickname?



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the list is stupid. adam v ahead of warren moon?

how moon is not at least 2 is beyond me.
 
FuzzyLumpkins;1511487 said:
the list is stupid. adam v ahead of warren moon?

how moon is not at least 2 is beyond me.

No Joke.

also how he has a guy (antonio Gates) who's only played what? 3-4 years, at number 4 is definitely eye raising.
 
FuzzyLumpkins;1511487 said:
the list is stupid. adam v ahead of warren moon?

how moon is not at least 2 is beyond me.


Well, Adam V. did kick the game-winning field goal in "The Tuck" game, won two Super Bowls with last-second kicks and contributed to the Colts beating the Ravens with five field goals.

If you're grading simply on impact with respect to position, I'd put Adam V. ahead of Warren Moon.

Of course, the negative reaction may be because kickers aren't that highly valued and generally are free agents anyway.

But in terms of contributions to winning, Adam has done more to win the big games than Moon, IMO.
 
PFT, the football website that didn't know what gap assignments on defense are.
 
Marshall faulk deserved all three MVP awards (countin his own)... there is no doubt in my mind about that; Look at Warner; he was as good as he was because Faulk made him look so great.

The AP is so stupid it's maddening...
 
tyke1doe;1511563 said:
Well, Adam V. did kick the game-winning field goal in "The Tuck" game, won two Super Bowls with last-second kicks and contributed to the Colts beating the Ravens with five field goals.

If you're grading simply on impact with respect to position, I'd put Adam V. ahead of Warren Moon.

Of course, the negative reaction may be because kickers aren't that highly valued and generally are free agents anyway.

But in terms of contributions to winning, Adam has done more to win the big games than Moon, IMO.

im sorry but comparing a kickers contributions to a quarterbacks is silly.

there is a reason that there are well over a 2 dozen HOF qbs and only one kicker. heck moon is even in the HOF wile many of the guys in front of him are not.

warren moon has done more to win games than vinatierri and i would contend that Brady had more to do with Vinatierri success than he did.
 
BouncingCheese;1511579 said:
Marshall faulk deserved all three MVP awards (countin his own)... there is no doubt in my mind about that; Look at Warner; he was as good as he was because Faulk made him look so great.

The AP is so stupid it's maddening...

Sorry but Warner before he hurt his hand and started becoming timid out there was the cog that made that offense work. It wasnt just Faulk. Holt, Bruce and Proehl were huge as well but it wasnt til Green went out and Warner went in that the best offense of the last decade came into its own.
 
FuzzyLumpkins;1511625 said:
Sorry but Warner before he hurt his hand and started becoming timid out there was the cog that made that offense work. It wasnt just Faulk. Holt, Bruce and Proehl were huge as well but it wasnt til Green went out and Warner went in that the best offense of the last decade came into its own.

No, your right, I get that.

But Faulk made that offense work; I am a HUGE and I mean HUGE Iasiac Bruce fan, but believe me, he was the number two option on that team...the number one? Marshall faulk. I know that seems wierd but Faulk has some of the best hands the NFL has ever seen regardless of position, and faulk was a great route runner as well. Warner was good, do not get me wrong, and Bruce was amazing as was Holt when Warner was there, but Faulk is what made it work.

Yes, Warner helped make it the best offense in the league, but I just thought he was more a facilitator than anything. By your logic, do you think that if Warner was there and Faulk came in later instead of the other way around that Faulk would have won those MVP's? Think about that. Faulk was already there, Warner just helped the passing game.
 
BouncingCheese;1511656 said:
No, your right, I get that.

But Faulk made that offense work; I am a HUGE and I mean HUGE Iasiac Bruce fan, but believe me, he was the number two option on that team...the number one? Marshall faulk. I know that seems wierd but Faulk has some of the best hands the NFL has ever seen regardless of position, and faulk was a great route runner as well. Warner was good, do not get me wrong, and Bruce was amazing as was Holt when Warner was there, but Faulk is what made it work.

Yes, Warner helped make it the best offense in the league, but I just thought he was more a facilitator than anything. By your logic, do you think that if Warner was there and Faulk came in later instead of the other way around that Faulk would have won those MVP's? Think about that. Faulk was already there, Warner just helped the passing game.

needless to say without one or the other the offense didnt work. faulk was lights out no question.

otoh trent green is a pretty good qb and he couldnt get it to work. warner could.
 
FuzzyLumpkins;1511617 said:
im sorry but comparing a kickers contributions to a quarterbacks is silly.

there is a reason that there are well over a 2 dozen HOF qbs and only one kicker. heck moon is even in the HOF wile many of the guys in front of him are not.

warren moon has done more to win games than vinatierri and i would contend that Brady had more to do with Vinatierri success than he did.

Your feelings aside, Warren Moon has not do as much as Vinatieri to win BIG games.

So what if Brady contributed to Vinatieri's success. When he was called on to perform his job - to deliver the clutch win for the playoffs and Super Bowls - Adam responded.

Secondly, of course a quarterback is going to get more respect than a kicker. But should that be the case?

Despite what you think about kickers, they're a part of a team too. That's why I said based on their position, AV did more as a kicker than WM did as a quarterback - and I like WM.

And I believe Vinatieri is a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame. He is as important a part of the Patriots dynasty as Brady is. And Dungy's "Automatic" comments won't hurt Adam's HoF resume either.
 
tyke1doe;1511675 said:
Your feelings aside, Warren Moon has not do as much as Vinatieri to win BIG games.

So what if Brady contributed to Vinatieri's success. When he was called on to perform his job - to deliver the clutch win for the playoffs and Super Bowls - Adam responded.

Secondly, of course a quarterback is going to get more respect than a kicker. But should that be the case?

Despite what you think about kickers, they're a part of a team too. That's why I said based on their position, AV did more as a kicker than WM did as a quarterback - and I like WM.

And I believe Vinatieri is a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame. He is as important a part of the Patriots dynasty as Brady is. And Dungy's "Automatic" comments won't hurt Adam's HoF resume either.

if you want to evaluate a players career based on their best three games so be it. him hitting those kicks has made him an overhyped sensation. his career numbers are not that superlative even if you look at his accuracy in clase and late situations. people gloss over his missses like the one in pittsburgh in the AFC championship game.

i still would say that without brady putting vinatierri in the position to win those games he is nothing. Moon didnt have anyone setting him up for success and quite frankly any HOF quarterback is better than the best kicker of all time which i dont even think vin is.
 
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