News: DMN: NFL VP officiating Dean Blandino on whether Dez caught the ball, running into Cowboys

[Gator88]

The ball touched the ground and he lost control. Neither is disputable. That's pretty much the end of it.

I mean there certainly isn't more indisputable evidence that the ball on Dez's play hit the ground than there was on the 3rd down play before halftime on Cobb's play. Yet the one that would benefit Green Bay was ruled as a catch due to not being indisputable evidence.

 

[percyhoward]

 

[Nightman]

Ground can't cause a fumble when down by contact.......even if he did lose control there was no clear visual evidence that the ball hit the ground( not his forearm ) before he regained control

 

[Nightman]

 

[Hoofbite]

Ground can't cause a fumble when down by contact.......even if he did lose control there was no clear visual evidence that the ball hit the ground( not his forearm ) before he regained control

Doesn't apply here. Ground cannot cause a fumble for players who have established possession. The ruling was that he had not yet established possession because he didn't satisfy the requirements for a completed pass prior to "going to the ground"

 

[nathanlt]

Doesn't apply here. Ground cannot cause a fumble for players who have established possession. The ruling was that he had not yet established possession because he didn't satisfy the requirements for a completed pass prior to "going to the ground"

Dez completed "going to the ground" when his first foot touched the ground. There is nothing in the NFL rulebook that states otherwise. So, by rule, he caught it, and was down by contact at the half yard line.

 

[KJJ]

Dez completed "going to the ground" when his first foot touched the ground. There is nothing in the NFL rulebook that states otherwise. So, by rule, he caught it, and was down by contact at the half yard line.

You just keep going and going and going on this.

 

[KJJ]

Ground can't cause a fumble when down by contact.......even if he did lose control there was no clear visual evidence that the ball hit the ground( not his forearm ) before he regained control

This is CLEAR visual evidence the ball touched the ground and that pic has been posted several times. It's indisputable! It was the ground that jarred the ball loose. Some of you either don't understand the RULE or are in complete denial over it. When a player is "going to the ground" which Dez clearly was, they have to complete the process of maintaining control of the ball through the contact of the ground. The ball can come loose provided it doesn't touch the ground and the player reestablishes control before the ball touches the ground.

 

[KJJ]

Ground can't cause a fumble when down by contact.......even if he did lose control there was no clear visual evidence that the ball hit the ground( not his forearm ) before he regained control.

It wouldn't have been a fumble even had he lost the ball prior to touching the ground because Dez hadn't completed the process of making the catch. He was "going to the ground" and had to maintain control of the ball through the contact of the ground for it to be a catch under the RULE. Maybe one of these days I'll get this to sink in with some of you.

 

[KJJ]

You can see the ball pop up as soon as it impacts the ground. Some of you need to take your blinders off and stop being in denial over that play. It's impossible for the ball to pop up like that if it isn't impacting the ground. Many of you seem to determined to beat yourselves up over it for years to come. If you understood the damn RULE and weren't such homers you would have accepted it by now.

 

[nathanlt]

It wouldn't have been a fumble even had he lost the ball prior to touching the ground because Dez hadn't completed the process of making the catch. He was "going to the ground" and had to maintain control of the ball through the contact of the ground for it to be a catch under the RULE. Maybe one of these days I'll get this to sink in with some of you.

He absolutely completed the process of making the catch. There is no description of the process other than going to the ground. When his first step touched the ground, he completed the process. The NFL rulebook does NOT and NEVER did define any other description of the process. There is no expanded version of what the process is, so Dez had the catch as soon as two feet were in bounds with possession. When the ball had been caught through seven distinct football moves, it then popped out. It was a catch, SEVEN times over.

BY WRITTEN RULE... CATCH.

 

[KJJ]

He absolutely completed the process of making the catch. There is no description of the process other than going to the ground. When his first step touched the ground, he completed the process. The NFL rulebook does NOT and NEVER did define any other description of the process. There is no expanded version of what the process is, so Dez had the catch as soon as two feet were in bounds with possession. When the ball had been caught through seven distinct football moves, it then popped out. It was a catch, SEVEN times over.

BY WRITTEN RULE... CATCH.

 

[nathanlt]

That's right, you can't say a thing about what the NFL rulebook is missing, can you? There is no defined end to the "process of the catch" That glaring omission means that the new catch concept has been applied without anything written to support its whimsical enforcement. That's a big problem for guys who like to defend the catch rule with the phrase, "By rule..." isn't it??!

 

[KJJ]

That's right, you can't say a thing about what the NFL rulebook is missing, can you? There is no defined end to the "process of the catch" That glaring omission means that the new catch concept has been applied without anything written to support its whimsical enforcement. That's a big problem for guys who like to defend the catch rule with the phrase, "By rule..." isn't it??!

The rulebook isn't going to contain every little thing to satisfy FANS like you or it would triple the size of War and Peace. There's no defined end to the "process of the catch" because a lot of it still comes down to the judgement of the officials. A receiver "going to the ground" is based on judgment. Once a receiver goes up after the ball and starts to stumble towards the ground after making a catch they're ruled "going to the ground" therefore they must maintain control of the ball through the contact of the ground. That's the RULE. Everything you keep saying is based on your judgement because you're biased and still haven't come to grips with the call and you never will.

 

[nathanlt]

The rulebook isn't going to contain every little thing to satisfy FANS like you or it would triple the size of War and Peace. There's no defined end to the "process of the catch" because a lot of it still comes down to the judgement of the officials. A receiver "going to the ground" is based on judgment. Once a receiver goes up after the ball and starts to stumble towards the ground after making a catch they're ruled "going to the ground" therefore they must maintain control of the ball through the contact of the ground. That's the RULE. Everything you keep saying is based on your judgement because you're biased and still haven't come to grips with the call and you never will.

"throughout the contact of the ground" = "first step on the ground"... So you have no intelligent response, just your theories to fill the gaps... got it!

 

[KJJ]

"throughout the contact of the ground" = "first step on the ground"... So you have no intelligent response, just your theories to fill the gaps... got it!

You're not only arguing with me, you're arguing with the league and you claim I have no intelligent response? lol The first step on the ground means nothing if the receiver is "going to the ground." Once a player is deemed "going to the ground" steps don't matter, they must complete the process of maintaining possession of the ball through the contact of the ground. You're arguing with a ruling that was confirmed by the league to be the correct call under the RULE. FANS on this board have claimed the ball never touched the ground when there's pics of the ball CLEARLY on the ground and some have gone so far into saying the ball never even came loose.

 

[Nightman]

This is CLEAR visual evidence the ball touched the ground and that pic has been posted several times. It's indisputable! It was the ground that jarred the ball loose. Some of you either don't understand the RULE or are in complete denial over it. When a player is "going to the ground" which Dez clearly was, they have to complete the process of maintaining control of the ball through the contact of the ground. The ball can come loose provided it doesn't touch the ground and the player reestablishes control before the ball touches the ground.

You had to dig up a 2 week old thread just to start a fight..........get a life

 

[DFWJC]

The sad thing is that instead of taking two extra steps, Dez could've just 100% and indisputably come down with the ball.
Then with 1st and goal at the 2 or 3, we run the clock and score...quite possible game over.

Perfect and preposterously clutch throw, and great catch, until he decided to switch hands and extend for the goal. That end part brought the controversy.

very old news now though.

Looking forward now

 

[KJJ]

You had to dig up a 2 week old thread just to start a fight..........get a life

No one is trying to start a fight and I wasn't the one who dug up this thread. You're not even keen enough to see who bumped it up. lol Nathanlt is the one who bumped it up because he's so consumed over that play. You posted those pictures and made your comment 12 days ago and the pic I posted of the ball CLEARLY on the ground has been posted several times during the 2 years since that play. Can't believe in all the discussions you were involved with on the play that you never saw that picture.

 

[nathanlt]

You're not only arguing with me, you're arguing with the league and you claim I have no intelligent response? lol The first step on the ground means nothing if the receiver is "going to the ground." Once a player is deemed "going to the ground" steps don't matter, they must complete the process of maintaining possession of the ball through the contact of the ground. You're arguing with a ruling that was confirmed by the league to be the correct call under the RULE. FANS on this board have claimed the ball never touched the ground when there's pics of the ball CLEARLY on the ground and some have gone so far into saying the ball never even came loose.

Dez's first step completes the process of going to the ground, there is nothing in the NFL rulebook that states otherwise. As for your diversionary topic about the ball clearly on the ground, I don't dispute that. However, the catch had already happened 7 times over. Furthermore, Dez was down by contact with his entire torso and two elbows -- down by contact is completing the process 3 times over. By the time the ball came out, the catch was complete 7 times. and Dez was down by contact 3 times. You and the league, (funny how I end up pairing you two in that phrase), are both ignoring the written rules whenever you defend the tampering that took place.

You must like getting schooled, you keep coming back for more. I will not let you convince anyone that Dez's catch didn't happen.