DMN: Roger Staubach *my fav cowboy" says cowboys 12-4

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bbgun;2945309 said:
Gee, you still can't seem to track down my original post and quote me honestly. I wonder why that is? And why is this even coming up in a Staubach thread?
That was the original post bb, from the other thread. If there's another one, it has not been one you and I were discussing.

Yeah right. "Fatalist" is an obvious term of endearment. If you squint hard enough, maybe even a compliment.
I didn't say it's a compliment, I said it is a description and I defined it. You're reaching.

More like well-deserved wariness, assuming all of us haven't been in a coma for the last 13 years.
Sorry, I do not agree at all.

Some of us see the team and the front office for what it really is (good, even elite in certain spots, but ultimately not good enough). But we have nowhere else to go, so we come crawling back, kinda like "battered wife syndrome." You don't go 13 years without a playoff win by making wise or sound decisions, so a healthy dose of skepticism seems to be the appropriate "emotion" around here. You obviously disagree. So be it.
Pay attention, I am often skeptical. You ignore that constantly.

Did you hear my comments about time of possession? Obviously not.

What about run defense? Again, obviously not.

What about Flo's penalty? There seems to be a theme here.

I hope you're not lumping me in with those fans, because I did no such thing. Again, it's more than just one game. In a sense, the Cowboys are victims of their recent regular season success. We're used to seeing red-hot Septembers and Octobers followed by disastrous Decembers, so Tampa qualifies as "low hanging fruit" in the grand scheme of things. Yes, enjoy the victory, but don't overlook some of the more ominous aspects that could prevent this team from accomplishing its ultimate goal: a championship. Better yet, don't disparage those who are so "impolite" as to notice said pitfalls.
I will defer to Bill Belicheck who said teams who win game #1 are 50% more likely to go to the playoffs than teams who lose game 1. Dallas has had more success in September than any other month dating back to Tom Landry.

For starters, they had/have a real GM, not to mention superior depth. My post-victory criticisms of the team's performance in Tampa have been pretty muted so far, so I'm not sure what you want from me. I may be a "realist," but I'm not gonna be a dick and start ragging on certain players five minutes after the gun has sounded. All of that can wait. Just because they theoretically can win it all doesn't mean they will. Defeating Tampa 50-0 wouldn't have changed my mind one iota. I'll hope for the best but brace myself for disappointment.
The GM stuff just makes blood shoot out of my eyes. GMs do not win or lose football games. But whatever, the Giants GM deserves his keester kissed so smooch away.

At least you responded to the question. No one else will even do that. I won't hold my breath that anyone actually answers it.

Thanks for the kind words. And in my defense, I haven't used the word "sheep" as a pejorative in well over a year. Maybe longer.
I think that one is funny at least.

Every site has an "internal culture." The Zone is pro-Jerry/pro-team in general/anti-media, DCC is wildly anti-Jerry, and forums like The Ranch or Blogging The Boys fall somewhere in between. It might surprise you that I find DCC to be too cynical (i.e. hatred for Jerry morphing into malice towards the team itself), which is why I do the majority of my posting over here. Not sure where you get the "lesser people" vibe. If anyone's been accused of being less than a real fan, or "encouraged" to find a new team, it's the cynics.
I have no comment about other forums at this time. Let them run themselves how they wish.

I have never liked the "find another team if you are a cynic" mentality. I often defend the cynics when someone accuses them of being a fan of another team.

Sure I'd get bashed, because that's classic trolling. Not sure where you're going with this.

Charade? What charade?
It's real simple where I am going with it. The nature of a large segment of sports fans is fiercely loyal to the teams they love to the point of fanaticism. It doesn't take a Phi Beta Kappa mentality and a Mensa card to figure out if you constantly bag on someone's team they are going to get edgy. Why act like it's a shocking thing? It isn't shocking at all. Fans of every team do it. You can call it Pavlovian behavior and I will probably agree to some point, but for the love of all that is holy can you please stop acting like it is some kind of phenomenon to this forum? Is that too much to ask? That is what I mean by charade.

You can be a fan without being fanatical--a point I've made time and again, to no avail. I'll keep beating that drum 'til it finally sinks in.
It is never going to sink in. People worship their teams how they choose to do it not how you dictate it should be. You haven't got that kind of stroke Ace. No one does.
 

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Hostile;2945411 said:
It's real simple where I am going with it. The nature of a large segment of sports fans is fiercely loyal to the teams they love to the point of fanaticism. It doesn't take a Phi Beta Kappa mentality and a Mensa card to figure out if you constantly bag on someone's team they are going to get edgy. Why act like it's a shocking thing? It isn't shocking at all. Fans of every team do it. You can call it Pavlovian behavior and I will probably agree to some point, but for the love of all that is holy can you please stop acting like it is some kind of phenomenon to this forum? Is that too much to ask? That is what I mean by charade.

Your previous post mentioned going on a rival team's forum and bagging on their team. Of course I'd expect a backlash if I sank to that kind of behavior (and I'm proud to say that I don't). Conversely, bagging on my own team is completely legitimate, because if anyone's entitled to knock you in this world, it's your own family. The "realists" are a wet blanket. I get it. But the pie-in-the-sky crowd is no less annoying or predictable, and since they vastly outnumber the resident sourpusses, I don't see where you have much cause for complaint. The Zone may not be a level playing field, but I'm fine with that.

It is never going to sink in. People worship their teams how they choose to do it not how you dictate it should be. You haven't got that kind of stroke Ace. No one does.

Let them worship as they see fit. The rest of us are entitled to the same consideration.
 

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bbgun;2945465 said:
Your previous post mentioned going on a rival team's forum and bagging on their team. Of course I'd expect a backlash if I sank to that kind of behavior (and I'm proud to say that I don't). Conversely, bagging on my own team is completely legitimate, because if anyone's entitled to knock you in this world, it's your own family. The "realists" are a wet blanket. I get it. But the pie-in-the-sky crowd is no less annoying or predictable, and since they vastly outnumber the resident sourpusses, I don't see where you have much cause for complaint. The Zone may not be a level playing field, but I'm fine with that.



Let them worship as they see fit. The rest of us are entitled to the same consideration.
I'll say it one more time.

It is the mock shock at the fact there are a bunch of vocal stubbornly loyal fans.

Really? That's shocking? In what parallel universe?

When I first moved to Tucson I nearly got into a fight with a guy for saying I thought Larry Smith (UA Head Football Coach who defected to USC) was a better football coach than Dick Tomey (the UA Head Coach at that time). I think that's one of the dumbest reasons to get into a fight ever, but he was serious.

I later worked for Dick Tomey and I like and respect him a lot. I still think Larry Smith was a better football coach. The only difference is now if you say it people here will agree. I bet the guy who wanted to fight me would too.

What can I tell you man? It isn't a phenomenon at all. Do I like it that fans act that way? No. But I am never going to stick my head in the sand and pretend that is ever going to change. It isn't.
 
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