News: DMN: Sherrington: Why Wade Wilson is not to blame for Cowboys' failure to develop QBs

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[Aven8]

So it's the talents fault. I gotcha. That explains why Henderson was a wanted man even though are secondary sucks. When in doubt blame Jerry!

 

[Stash]

His claims about Wade Wilson are all over the place, and he looks to be making excuses for the poor performance of his 'buddy'. Who cares if he's a 'prince of a guy' if he can't do his job?

First he wants to make excuses about a 'lack of investment' but then wants to give Wilson credit for Tony Romo, and undrafted free agent? Sure. And the fact is that even Romo was taught by qualified coaches like Parcells and Sean Payton before this goof got his hands on him!

I think all you need to know about Wade Wilson is that Parcells wanted no part of him during his tenure here. Wilson was out when Bill got here and found his way back afterwards. Speaks volumes.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

His claims about Wade Wilson are all over the place, and he looks to be making excuses for the poor performance of his 'buddy'. Who cares if he's a 'prince of a guy' if he can't do his job?

First he wants to make excuses about a 'lack of investment' but then wants to give Wilson credit for Tony Romo, and undrafted free agent? Sure. And the fact is that even Romo was taught by qualified coaches like Parcells and Sean Payton before this goof got his hands on him!

To be honest, that's the way it works. Unless one of the QBs went on to have success some where else, how can anyone blame him? Doesn't mean he's a good QB coach, just I don't think he's had anyone to work with that allows us to accurately judge his performance.

 

[Stash]

To be honest, that's the way it works. Unless one of the QBs went on to have success some where else, how can anyone blame him?

I can blame him because QB's basically come to Dallas to die. Brad Johnson, and Jon Kitna were at the end of the line when they got here. There was no somewhere else for them regardless. Orton collected a paycheck, lost the one game we needed him to play, and then forced his way out of town. Thanks again, Kyle! McGee never developed, and the last guy they put time into, Dustin Vaughan, was floating around Pittsburgh's practice squad last I saw.

Doesn't mean he's a good QB coach, just I don't think he's had anyone to work with that allows us to accurately judge his performance.

I can agree that he hasn't had a great investment in terms of draft picks, but I can also say that I haven't been impressed with anything the team has ever had at the position outside Tony Romo, and I think Wilson, Garrett, and the staff deserve criticism for not getting anything out of any other quarterback.

His 'high mark' looks to be coaching Rex Grossman to 23 TD's with 20 INT's.

 

[CCBoy]

I can blame him because QB's basically come to Dallas to die. Brad Johnson, and Jon Kitna were at the end of the line when they got here. There was no somewhere else for them regardless. Orton collected a paycheck, lost the one game we needed him to play, and then forced his way out of town. Thanks again, Kyle! McGee never developed, and the last guy they put time into, Dustin Vaughan, was floating around Pittsburgh's practice squad last I saw.



I can agree that he hasn't had a great investment in terms of draft picks, but I can also say that I haven't been impressed with anything the team has ever had at the position outside Tony Romo, and I think Wilson, Garrett, and the staff deserve criticism for not getting anything out of any other quarterback.

His 'high mark' looks to be coaching Rex Grossman to 23 TD's with 20 INT's.

Vaughn will be getting another chance this off season, at another team.

 

[Idgit]

It's hard to blame the staff too much for not developing a QB since Romo when the organization has literally put almost no resources into the position beyond the significant FA deal for Kyle Orton to be a veteran backup. McGee and Carter were the only picks we had at that position since 2001. Other than that, it's been retreads and extreme long shots, and they hit on one of the long shots.

I don't have huge regard for Wade Wilson myself, though I'm really not all that sure why. Probably mostly because Romo had such good things to say about David Lee, and he's never been as effusive about Wilson when he's had a chance. That said, between Wilson, Linehan, Garrett, and Romo, there's a lot of NFL QB smarts and experience in Dallas right now. Our ability to develop a significant talent shouldn't really be in question. I mean, beyond the fact that everybody is out for blood at any opportunity when it comes to the coaching staff right now.

 

[Stash]

It's hard to blame the staff too much for not developing a QB since Romo when the organization has literally put almost no resources into the position beyond the significant FA deal for Kyle Orton to be a veteran backup. McGee and Carter were the only picks we had at that position since 2001. Other than that, it's been retreads and extreme long shots, and they hit on one of the long shots.

But exactly which one of the long shots did "they" hit on?

I don't have huge regard for Wade Wilson myself, though I'm really not all that sure why. Probably mostly because Romo had such good things to say about David Lee, and he's never been as effusive about Wilson when he's had a chance.

And, as I mentioned before, it speaks loudly that Wilson's break in tenure here coincided with the period of time when we had two Super Bowl winning coaches (Parcells, Payton) in town.

That said, between Wilson, Linehan, Garrett, and Romo, there's a lot of NFL QB smarts and experience in Dallas right now. Our ability to develop a significant talent shouldn't really be in question. I mean, beyond the fact that everybody is out for blood at any opportunity when it comes to the coaching staff right now.

4-12 will do that. Shoot the people who caused the bad news before you shoot the messenger.

I do agree though that Romo should be an excellent teacher and role model to any future quarterback, if he's committed to doing that. His presence gives me more optimism than any of the others.

 

[Doomsday101]

Given who Wade has worked with it is not a shock. He has been with Romo most of Tony career and while some give Wade no credit in helping Romo, I do. Others we have had, true they did not pan out that great but then who has he worked with? Cast offs and late draft pick? Come on their are a lot of QB who were 1st rd picks in this league who do not pan out, RGIII and Manziel just to name a couple yet I don't hear how it was the QB coaches fault it was in large part because of the player. You can work with a QB but at the end of the day it is on the player to go out and produce or not and much of that is on the player themselves

 

[Stash]

Given who Wade has worked with it is not a shock. He has been with Romo most of Tony career and while some give Wade no credit in helping Romo, I do. Others we have had, true they did not pan out that great but then who has he worked with? Cast offs and late draft pick? Come on their are a lot of QB who were 1st rd picks in this league who do not pan out, RGIII and Manziel just to name a couple yet I don't hear how it was the QB coaches fault it was in large part because of the player. You can work with a QB but at the end of the day it is on the player to go out and produce or not and much of that is on the player themselves

So then why do we employ a guy like Wade Wilson at all?

With all due respect, it seems like it paints him in a no-lose situation. If a player succeeds, he did a great job. If he didn't, the player sucks.

I see people attempting to do the same thing for Garrett.

 

[Doomsday101]

So then why do we employ a guy like Wade Wilson at all?

With all due respect, it seems like it paints him in a no-lose situation. If a player succeeds, he did a great job. If he didn't, the player sucks.

I see people attempting to do the same thing for Garrett.

Not it is not a no lose situation but give me a break who has he had to work with? Cast offs, late rd picks and undrafted FA. I think he has worked well with Romo and while I agree BP and Payton also played a role they were gone before Romo played a full season as starter. BP was here when Romo started only 8 games then was gone. I know Wade critics refuse to give him in credit with the development of Romo but I do. It is not as if Wade has been coaching 1st or 2rd round QB he has had the some of the worst prospect to work with.

Was if Jimmy fault that guys like Babe Laughenberg were cruddy QB or was it just the fact Babe was a lousy QB?

 

[Stash]

Not it is not a no lose situation but give me a break who has he had to work with? Cast offs, late rd picks and undrafted FA.

Brandon Weeden was a 1st round draft choice. And Houston was able to win with him after about two weeks. Brad Johnson won a Suoer Bowl prior to coming here to die. Folks had a good opinion of Kyle Orton. And then he came here. Some times, it's not about having to have a 1st round talent or an All-Pro at every position. Some times, you have to make due with less. And other coaches and staffs somehow manage to do that, while this staff fails time and time again.

If there was one other guy who played remotely well here, I could see cutting Wilson some slack. But not only isn't there, there was a 5-year period of futility where the team couldn't win a game without Romo at the helm. That says volumes to me.

I think he has worked well with Romo and while I agree BP and Payton also played a role they were gone before Romo played a full season as starter. BP was here when Romo started only 8 games then was gone. I know Wade critics refuse to give him in credit with the development of Romo but I do. It is not as if Wade has been coaching 1st or 2rd round QB he has had the some of the worst prospect to work with.

And in my opinion, they both lucked into a talented guy who was well on his way, due to having a solid foundation laid by two Super Bowl caliber coaches. We'll just agree to disagree here.

Was if Jimmy fault that guys like Babe Laughenberg were cruddy QB or was it just the fact Babe was a lousy QB?

Was Steve Buerlein not successful playing for Jimmy too? Jimmy had a foundation built so that when Aikman missed games the team didn't fall apart. They still managed to win games with backups. Sometimes, even third-stringers.

 

[Doomsday101]

Brandon Weeden was a 1st round draft choice. And Houston was able to win with him after about two weeks. Brad Johnson won a Suoer Bowl prior to coming here to die. Folks had a good opinion of Kyle Orton. And then he came here. Some times, it's not about having to have a 1st round talent or an All-Pro at every position. Some times, you have to make due with less. And other coaches and staffs somehow manage to do that, while this staff fails time and time again.

If there was one other guy who played remotely well here, I could see cutting Wilson some slack. But not only isn't there, there was a 5-year period of futility where the team couldn't win a game without Romo at the helm. That says volumes to me.



And in my opinion, they both lucked into a talented guy who was well on his way, due to having a solid foundation laid by two Super Bowl caliber coaches. We'll just agree to disagree here.



Was Steve Buerlein not successful playing for Jimmy too? Jimmy had a foundation built so that when Aikman missed games the team didn't fall apart. They still managed to win games with backups. Sometimes, even third-stringers.

Houston relies on defense they create turnover and do not ask much from the QB, In games vs Alt and NO Weeden played decent nothing great but I saw little help given to him.

As for Brad Johnson, he was old when he got to Dallas and was never noted as a strong arm QB to begin with, Wade can't make a QB young again. This what you got? over the hill QB who were bounced off their teams and this is why Wade is not good? I think you would have a better argument had he failed with younger high draft picks as opposed to the people he has worked with.

In a QB hungry NFL I don't see Stephen McGee catching on with anyone, why he does not have the talent no matter who the coach is. Some guys will not make it.

 

[Stash]

Houston relies on defense they create turnover and do not ask much from the QB, In games vs Alt and NO Weeden played decent nothing great but I saw little help given to him.

I saw essentially the same guy that played here in Dallas. The only difference being that Houston was actually able to win with that.

As for Brad Johnson, he was old when he got to Dallas and was never noted as a strong arm QB to begin with, Wade can't make a QB young again. This what you got? over the hill QB who were bounced off their teams and this is why Wade is not good? I think you would have a better argument had he failed with younger high draft picks as opposed to the people he has worked with.

And if Wade was actually good and developed anybody , we wouldn't have had to keep going back to that old, veteran well, would we?

In a QB hungry NFL I don't see Stephen McGee catching on with anyone, why he does not have the talent no matter who the coach is. Some guys will not make it.

And in the case of the Cowboys and Wilson/Garrett, all guys "will not make it". The track record of futility clearly shows it.

 

[Doomsday101]

I saw essentially the same guy that played here in Dallas. The only difference being that Houston was actually able to win with that.



And if Wade was actually good and developed anybody , we wouldn't have had to keep going back to that old, veteran well, would we?



And in the case of the Cowboys and Wilson/Garrett, all guys "will not make it". The track record of futility clearly shows it.

winning in Houston was again more about defense, did Dallas defense produce and create turnovers? No they didn't

Dallas went with older vets because we had Romo and they were not looking for the future QB only a guy who could come in at a moments notice.

Funny NO has done great with brees why are the rest of their QB crappy? I guess it is one of 2 things, Payton sucks or the QB are limited in their talent?

 

[daveferr33]

He had to make something out of Quincy Carter, and what a job that was

Nice revisionist history. Wade didn't make anything out of QC, the Parcels regime did.

 

[Stash]

winning in Houston was again more about defense, did Dallas defense produce and create turnovers? No they didn't

No they didn't. But I think that's a failure to be discussed in another thread, isn't it?

Dallas went with older vets because we had Romo and they were not looking for the future QB only a guy who could come in at a moments notice.

Why couldn't Wade Wilson give them that guy, in all the time he's been here?

Funny NO has done great with brees why are the rest of their QB crappy? I guess it is one of 2 things, Payton sucks or the QB are limited in their talent?

How are their other quarterbacks "crappy"? Brees has missed exactly two starts since he's been there! How do you judge quarterbacks who never see the field as "crappy"? Maybe you should have thought that one through before you tossed it out there and looked foolish?

 

[Stash]

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Nice revisionist history. Wade didn't make anything out of QC, the Parcels regime did.

Nice that there's at least one other person paying attention.

 

[Doomsday101]

No they didn't. But I think that's a failure to be discussed in another thread, isn't it?



Why couldn't Wade Wilson give them that guy, in all the time he's been here?



How are their other quarterbacks "crappy"? Brees has missed exactly two starts since he's been there! How do you judge quarterbacks who never see the field as "crappy"? Maybe you should have thought that one through before you tossed it out there and looked foolish?

Dallas is not drafting QB, we are getting rejects that is why. He nor anyone else was going to make Stephen McGee a NFL QB and frankly and outside of Quincy Carter what QB's have Dallas drafted?

Please don't start up with the foolish BS after all you expect Wade to work fricken miracles with dead beat QB's that is not going to happen in Dallas or any other team. Coaches still must have talent to work with you can't just put someone out there and expect coaches to take people with very little talent and make it work. Mike Flynn did not do much in Green Bay I guess they don't know what they are doing or maybe that is why they got rid of him

 

[Stash]

Dallas is not drafting QB, we are getting rejects that is why. He nor anyone else was going to make Stephen McGee a NFL QB and frankly and outside of Quincy Carter what QB's have Dallas drafted?

Please don't start up with the foolish BS after all you expect Wade to work fricken miracles with dead beat QB's that is not going to happen in Dallas or any other team.

Let's go back to that guy you claimed couldn't develop quarterbacks and that they were "crappy", Sean Payton. That error was so egregious that it's worth revisiting. Not only did he help to develop Romo, and then Drew Brees, but the guy also turned undrafted free agent Chase Daniel into a solid, dependable quarterback. First for himself, and then Daniel was so well thought of that he went on to receive a 3-year $10 million contract from the Kansas City Chiefs! Don't talk about "BS" from anybody else when you throw out ill-conceived and completely inaccurate claims for your Cowboys without having the slightest clue what you're talking about.

Coaches still must have talent to work with you can't just put someone out there and expect coaches to take people with very little talent and make it work. Mike Flynn did not do much in Green Bay I guess they don't know what they are doing or maybe that is why they got rid of him

And yet another error, Matt Flynn did fine for himself in Green Bay, well enough to secure himself a 3-year, $20 million contract from the Seattle Seahawks, not bad for a guy who only cost Green Bay a 7th round draft pick. By comparison, name the last quarterback the Cowboys developed who ever had a start anywhere else, much less made anything close to that money. And coincidentally, Matt Flynn is now down in New Orleans, undoubtedly being taught well by quarterback guru Sean Payton.

Anything else you'd like to say to make yourself look even worse?