Do more players need to hack Jerry off?

[ScotsCowboy]

There’s a lot of talk from some about how we didn’t get peak value from the Micah trade - and indeed we didn’t.

But then, as someone has commented in another thread, it’s very clear that a trade was never the Jones’s Plan A. That much is obvious from their track record on second contracts.

So yes, they were never going to get top value in a trade.
However, it’s also true to say that without Micah’s stubbornness, melodrama, and will to match Jerry’s media circus performances, we probably don’t get a trade at all.

Therefore, my question is, in order to effectively rebuild, do we need more guys to approach contract talks with a will to simply upset Jerry into trading them, as Micah did?

I mean, he clearly doesn’t perceive the value of player-trading as a priority for rebuilding, but the rest of us do.

So while we don’t stand much of a chance of competing, maybe the best we can hope for is that some - not all - of our high value guys hack Jerry off enough that we trade, racking up a few more premium draft picks for McClay and co to play with.

Imma pull a Coog and ask for your thoughts…

 

[Creeper]

First, the players in the locker room know the truth about what kind of player Micah is and what kind of a guy he was in the locker room. All that garbage you read about Micah now is not going to affect the players because they know it is not true. For example, listen to Donovan Ezeiruaku. He and Kneeland both talk about how Micah helped them and how they still talk to him and he helps them. Ezeiruaku says Micah was the first to call him after he was drafted. Does that sound like a guy who was only thinking of himself? A guy who is not a team guy? The stories the players are telling contradict what is coming out in the media now.

The question is, how does this Micah situation change the way the players view Jerry? Does it instill more trust in the owner or less? Does it make football more about money for them, or about winning?

I disregard the fan talk about Micah being weak against the run, or overrated, or being average and overhyped. That is total nonsense. Micah is a great player and his best years may be in his future. Look at his stats, not just sacks, but look at his pressures, win rate, double team rate, etc. He is 1 or 2 in all those categories. But, it is true. He has a podcast to for that he will never make it to the HoF.

 

[Carson]

I disregard the fan talk about Micah being weak against the run, or overrated, or being average and overhyped. That is total nonsense. Micah is a great player and his best years may be in his future. Look at his stats, not just sacks, but look at his pressures, win rate, double team rate, etc. He is 1 or 2 in all those categories. But, it is true. He has a podcast to for that he will never make it to the HoF.

I think most reports aren’t that Micah doesn’t have great stats or can’t stop the run or is not elite. I think it’s more based on the fact that it’s “the hell with the scheme and teams, I’m getting my sacks!”

Washington said the same about Fowler. He had 10.5 sacks but often freelanced to get sacks

 

[Chocolate Lab]

This narrative that people think Micah sucks, or is average, or is a terrible person, has gotten way out of hand. Only a few people have said that.

Most of us know he's a great player and tremendous talent. But he was flawed against the run and does seem to chase stats. That's all most people are saying.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

The whole peak value argument is a bit subjective. Would any team expecting to be in the top half of the draft willingly give up two first round picks? I seriously doubt it.

Is there any player on the Packers defense that would help us more today than Kenny Clark? I doubt it.

Getting another pick in the 3rd round would have been great but I don’t really think that kind of pick should be a deciding factor.

 

[RodeoJake]

This narrative that people think Micah sucks, or is average, or is a terrible person, has gotten way out of hand. Only a few people have said that.

Most of us know he's a great player and tremendous talent. But he was flawed against the run and does seem to chase stats. That's all most people are saying.

He ain't the only Cowboy that likes to put up stats and break records

 

[big dog cowboy]

There’s a lot of talk from some about how we didn’t get peak value from the Micah trade - and indeed we didn’t.

A lot of people who feel that way miss out on one big point. The Cowboys don't have to pay Parsons $40M a year now and that seriously helps the salary cap.

 

[Creeper]

I think most reports aren’t that Micah doesn’t have great stats or can’t stop the run or is not elite. I think it’s more based on the fact that it’s “the hell with the scheme and teams, I’m getting my sacks!”

Washington said the same about Fowler. He had 10.5 sacks but often freelanced to get sacks

LawNation posted a video breakdown of the Cowboys run defense last year highlighting the reasons why the Cowboys were bad against the run. I haven't been able to find the video but but when I watched it it was clear the Cowboys problems stopping the run were not just one person, and frankly, it was not Micah. Because teams ran at him does not mean he is bad against the run. They ran at Lawrence Taylor too. There are multiple reasons for this, one is to slow down his rush and make him think run first. The other is to try to wear him down.

But the video showed the problem was mostly just discipline and it wasn't just one guy. The video showed how too many defenders would wind up on one side of the field leaving the other side wide open. The worst offender was DLaw who often got himself caught up in side because he chase the play instead of worrying about his gap assignment. This is why the Cowboys gave up so much yardage outside. If the entire defenses had more discipline they would not have been burned as badly by big running plays.

Even so, let's assume Parsons was just average against the run. The guys has the highest pressure rate of any player over the last 3 years. He has the second most pressures and the highest win rate on pass downs in the league and his rates are not close. and when you realize he has the 2nd highest double team rate in the league his other stats are simply astonishing.

 

[Acceptablename]

First, the players in the locker room know the truth about what kind of player Micah is and what kind of a guy he was in the locker room. All that garbage you read about Micah now is not going to affect the players because they know it is not true. For example, listen to Donovan Ezeiruaku. He and Kneeland both talk about how Micah helped them and how they still talk to him and he helps them. Ezeiruaku says Micah was the first to call him after he was drafted. Does that sound like a guy who was only thinking of himself? A guy who is not a team guy? The stories the players are telling contradict what is coming out in the media now.

The question is, how does this Micah situation change the way the players view Jerry? Does it instill more trust in the owner or less? Does it make football more about money for them, or about winning?

I disregard the fan talk about Micah being weak against the run, or overrated, or being average and overhyped. That is total nonsense. Micah is a great player and his best years may be in his future. Look at his stats, not just sacks, but look at his pressures, win rate, double team rate, etc. He is 1 or 2 in all those categories. But, it is true. He has a podcast to for that he will never make it to the HoF.

This is a thoughtful post. I appreciate this. I like the trade personally Doesn't mean Micah was the villain in this transaction

 

[Chasing6]

There’s a lot of talk from some about how we didn’t get peak value from the Micah trade - and indeed we didn’t.

But then, as someone has commented in another thread, it’s very clear that a trade was never the Jones’s Plan A. That much is obvious from their track record on second contracts.

So yes, they were never going to get top value in a trade.
However, it’s also true to say that without Micah’s stubbornness, melodrama, and will to match Jerry’s media circus performances, we probably don’t get a trade at all.

Therefore, my question is, in order to effectively rebuild, do we need more guys to approach contract talks with a will to simply upset Jerry into trading them, as Micah did?

I mean, he clearly doesn’t perceive the value of player-trading as a priority for rebuilding, but the rest of us do.

So while we don’t stand much of a chance of competing, maybe the best we can hope for is that some - not all - of our high value guys hack Jerry off enough that we trade, racking up a few more premium draft picks for McClay and co to play with.

Imma pull a Coog and ask for your thoughts…

It will be interesting to see who regrets what in 4 years.

Micah is going to figure out quickly, if not already, his Agent was too greedy, and gave him bad advice.

If GB does not win a SB, I think they will view this trade as a failure.

We don't have that pressure, because we were not winning a SB with Micah.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I have no idea the Tempe of any of these conversations behind closed doors doors. I like to image for a lot of these guys it’s a huge honor to get face time with Jerry 1 on 1 and kind of get to hang with him in that realm.


I know Jerry is old and goofy but for a media guy like Micah I’m sure it’s valuable to him to talk with Jerry and learn business negotiate and strategy or whatever else .


I wouldn’t be stunned if Micah and Jerry work together in the future on some project that generates eyeballs .