Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by VaqueroTD, Feb 13, 2020.

  1. shabazz

    shabazz Well-Known Member

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    Surely Not elite and surely doesn't deserve elite money..........and don't call me Shirley
     
  2. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    The Ravens lucked out moving on from Flacco and ending up with Lamar Jackson who was the 5th QB taken in his draft class. Shows what a crapshoot drafting a QB is. With all the game planning DC’s are doing on Jackson we’ll see if his style of play continues to hold up. It certainly hasn’t worked for him in the playoffs. As for KC I never really considered Alex Smith a “franchise” QB. Solid but a game manager who teams eventually moved on from. He’ll best be remembered for being drafted ahead of Aaron Rodgers. Marcus Mariota was drafted to be a franchise QB but never came close to that.
     
  3. doomsday9084

    doomsday9084 Well-Known Member

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    I pretty much agree with most of what you are saying. To a large degree, we are splitting hairs at this point.

    At the end of the day, everyone has the same cap. If all your players are playing to a fair market value, you probably have a pretty average team. The way to win is to have a number of players who are, for all intents and purposes, underpaid for their contribution. Drafting well and having players play like studs on their rookie deals is far and away the best way to do that.

    The combination of a few big contracts and a few bad drafts is going to leave Dallas in a tough position going forward. Hopefully McCarthy gets a few of these guys playing at a much higher level.
     
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  4. CowboysFaninHouston

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    I rather over pay by a few million than go through the QB turnstile
     
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  5. atlantacowboy

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    Who had less talent on defense? :grin:
     
  6. Aviano90

    Aviano90 Go Seahawks!!!

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    :laugh:
     
  7. VaqueroTD

    VaqueroTD Active Member

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    For real. It's as if everyone forgot the pain from Aikman to Romo. Draft picks, ex-baseball players, aging franchise veterans, we tried it all. We lucked into both Romo and Dak and everyone thinks we're going to find a gem just as easy. .

    I feel like I'm surrounded by a bunch of Yiddish cheapskates. "Oy vey! You vant me to pay how much for Dak because he looks nice??!! Dress up a broom and it will look nice too!"
     
  8. atlantacowboy

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    Dude, Dak had 3 pro bowl linemen, a pro bowl rb, a pro bowl WR, and another WR with 1k yards. It can be argued that no QB had more talent around him than Dak. How much more talent does the guy need to LEAD the offense to a few meaningful road wins? Apparently, all that talent around him isn't enough. So, what does paying him 100x more money do for the Dallas Cowboys? Put your personal feelings about Dak aside. After an 8-8 year and the offense sputtering in every road game.........in philly with a playoff birth on the line....... why would you pay him more if it means surrounding him with LESS talent? Giving Dak 35-40 million per year isn't the road to a super bowl. He's not that good.
     
  9. CowboysFaninHouston

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    he did produce the top 2 offense as a result. and you ignore the fact that we had a bad defense, the worst special teams in the league and the worst defense in turnovers. and and and Garrett as the head coach....you have to take into account those factors into wins, because it seems like the anti-Dak crowd blame all the losses on him, and yet when we won, they credited everybody else. I am neither a dak hater, or lover or supporter. its reality of NFL. what would our record be with Andy Reid? or Shanahan? or Bilicheck? three games we lost directly as a result of bad calls in crucial times in close games in the 4th quarter.

    and it wasn't the first time we laid and egg against philly with playoffs on the lines, that was with Romo as well. its history of garrett. and last year we did beat Philly and NO in crucial games to get into playoffs. you are only looking at this past season. the lame duck season with Jerry mishandling everything under the sun. with lame duck coaching staff. usual jerry meddling and a team in disarray. it could have very well been 5-11. or 6-10.

    at this point, the starting point for QB salaries is 35 and above..

    and what's our other options? assume you don't get Dak. what's the plan? that would make us better.....not save money...but actually make us a better team.
     
  10. gjkoeppen

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    Ya tell us all about all that talent like at RB Elliott in SIX games rushed less than 60 yards and 1 he had 18 carries for only 35 yards. So was it because that line that wasn't anywhere close to the 2016 line the fault or was it that Elliott was the problem? Was all the blame on Prescott or does the defense own a share for losses? Did coaching decisions have any effect on the outcomes of games?

    It so easy to just TRY to blame Prescott for last season, but the REAL truth is there is more than enough blame to go all around.
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  11. atlantacowboy

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    He's the QB and has got to do better than 22 TD passes. Maybe if he could play well in the first quarter more often, the team wouldn't be playing catch-up and could run Elliot more. Zeke made the pro bowl and averaged over 4.5 ypc. Not his best year but he's a better value than Dak at 35 million.
     
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  12. atlantacowboy

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    That offensive stat is based on yardage which is pretty meaningless when the team is 8-8.

    Romo wishes had had as much talent as Dak around him.
     
  13. CowboysFaninHouston

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    so doesn't the 13-3, 9-7 count? or are you just focused on this past year?

    the offense did what they were supposed to do. what else should they do? you are squarely saying offense has to win all games and because they didn't then its all on Dak.

    and you avoided answering the garrett , defense and special teams question and squarely make offense responsible for all wins.

    the ravens were second in offense...

    SF was 4th

    chiefs were 6th

    by the same token, dallas, Tampa and Falcons were also top 10.

    niners, ravens, chiefs were top 10 scoring defenses.

    and again, what about the garrett factor? he was directly responsible for 3 losses in close games this year.

    and you also didn't answer the question on what are the other options. tell us your other options instead of just complaining. here is your opportunity.....
     
  14. atlantacowboy

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    Of course, i'm focused on this past year b/c a QB is supposed to progress from year 3 to 4. Dak did not progress. Should we pay based on 2016 when he was working with half the playbook? Should we ignore how bad he was in 2018 prior to the arrival of Amari Cooper? Should we ignore his putrid road performances las year and reward him with elite QB money when he clearly is not an elite QB?

    He had the same HC all 4 years so you can eliminate garret as a factor when looking at Dak over 4 seasons.

    You want to build the defense? How do you do that with Dak making 35+ million and cooper making 20 million..........
     
  15. gjkoeppen

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    First off it would help your arguemnet A LOT if you had your facts right. Prescott had 30 TD passes last season. I also see that you're another one that places all the blame on the QB and doesn't put any blame on the defense failed to get the offense the ball in good field position to start the vast majority of the drives or special teams that either didn't give the ball to the offense with good field position or put additional pressure on the defense by allowing other teams to get good field position. Also the Cowboys as a team led the ENTIRE league in drops. Yes it's just so much easier to put all the blame on Prescott for the record they had instead of accepting the fact that it's a team sport and the failure of many players beside Prescott contributed as much or more than Prescott's efforts and the record they had.
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  16. Aviano90

    Aviano90 Go Seahawks!!!

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    Oh look, Jumping to conclusions and pulling crap out of your butt with yet another poster. Can’t you just discuss something without making stuff up? You’ve missed the mark in attempting to describe Atlanta. Badly missed the mark.
     
  17. gjkoeppen

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    Another attempt by the grade school drug infest little boy who just rambles on with blah blah bah. Now I'm got to ask you and I'm going to quote the entire comment where I said ANYTHING about Atlanta.

    "First off it would help your argument A LOT if you had your facts right. Prescott had 30 TD passes last season. I also see that you're another one that places all the blame on the QB and doesn't put any blame on the defense failed to get the offense the ball in good field position to start the vast majority of the drives or special teams that either didn't give the ball to the offense with good field position or put additional pressure on the defense by allowing other teams to get good field position. Also the Cowboys as a team led the ENTIRE league in drops. Yes it's just so much easier to put all the blame on Prescott for the record they had instead of accepting the fact that it's a team sport and the failure of many players beside Prescott contributed as much or more than Prescott's efforts and the record they had."
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    Gee the word Atlanta or any implication to ANYTHING having to do with Atlanta appears in that comment. So you are just babbling on about things that only appear in your childish drug infested mind.

    Don't bother to replay I won't reply to anything on this either. You're just not worth the effort or time it takes. Go,troll with someone else.
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  18. Aviano90

    Aviano90 Go Seahawks!!!

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    :laugh::laugh::laugh: What was the name of the poster you were replying to?

    I bet dollars to doughnuts you have anger management issues and get infuriated on this message board. You need some medication man.

    Oh, by the way, I posted a math question for you in our other thread. You mind getting your calculator out and solving the problem for me?
     
  19. shabazz

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    I can respect that, and I dont mind it either as long as it doesn't impede our ability to make strides in acquiring free agents. We need help now
     
  20. basel90

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    Dak is not accurate, and not a great decision maker in crunch time .
    Brady is old but he is much better than Dak . Manning win a SB while old . So not sure why not Brady .

    stafford is more accurate than Dak and had less of a support staff than Dak

    bottom line , Dak is not worth more than 28 mil .
    The most important aspect however is that he Cannot lead the team to a SB due to his inaccuracy and lack of football acumen . He chokes often .
    Better o move on and rebuild .
     

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