Do Teams and Fans Overrate Draft Picks.

[thechosen1n2]

from an on the field of play standpoint. ( i know economics comes into play)

Now before I start, this is not me endorsing of any of the players mentioned, just examples.

I hear people say that they wouldnt give anymore than a third for Merriman (and if we got merriman for a 3rd or 4th for him cudos to jerry), or when Moss was on the trading block a 2nd or a 3rd was too much because he was washed up. What about When Roy Williams and people were saying a 1st was too much. Sure it has not panned out (for whatever reason) but if he came in and was giving us pro bowl numbers like he did in detroit those 1 or 2 years, I dont see the problem. I have even heard someone say that Romo is not worth more than a 5th right now. Well my Romo irritation is at a height that it has never been but at the worst his is a top 10 to 14 qb in this league. That is worth way more than a 5th. I know, I know, hes 30...well most rookie contracts are no more than 5 years anyway so whats the big deal. If Im the Raiders, Bills, Titans, or Commanders, I would negotiate, but if Jerry was insistent on a 1st or 2nd for Romo (hypothetically speaking), I would give up my first or 2nd.

I guess my point is the draft is a crap shoot anyway, why not gamble with people that have done it before if they have 4 or 5 years left. Either way you are bringing a player in that you have high expectations for.

Just a thought, I am open for criticism, but before being critical remember: Once again this is not me advocating a Merriman trade, or asking for Tony to be traded for a 1st or a 2nd, these are just examples.

 

[jimmy40]

No way, would never happen.

 

[CaptainMorgan]

Unless youre Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder, most teams prefer to hang on to draft picks and build/add through the draft.

Then theres the whole economics of picks for player trades under the salary cap which makes it a difficult proposition for fiscally responsible teams.

Not to mention the notion we shouldnt trade Romo for any pick.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Unless youre Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder, most teams prefer to hang on to draft picks and build/add through the draft.

Then theres the whole economics of picks for player trades under the salary cap which makes it a difficult proposition for fiscally responsible teams.

Not to mention the notion we shouldnt trade Romo for any pick.

I meant to put that in my original post. Economics does come into play, but I was actually coming from an on the field productions standpoint, which is what we the fans care about. Im just saying everyone would say no to trading Williams for a 1, and then go draft the likes of Chad Jackson from florida, or williamson or rice from South Carolina.

And yes captain morgan we should not trade romo for any pick, since you chose to ignore my last statement.:laugh2:

 

[Doomsday101]

I think the draft is important but the cost of these unproven rookies needs to come under control. The risk is getting to the point that you could be better off looking at 4 or 5 year FA than drafting a player who no one know if they can even play at this level.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Unless youre Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder, most teams prefer to hang on to draft picks and build/add through the draft.

Didn't we just get Roy Williams and still have 12 draft picks just six months ago?

 

[CaptainMorgan]

Didn't we just get Roy Williams and still have 12 draft picks just six months ago?

are you advocating that was a good thing?

 

[magic-sword]

Every draft pick is overrated - that's why a rookie salary cap is needed. Months of idle winter hours are used to slot and evaluate players which convincing others to think they always know the next big thing.

Fans and media go gaga over the unproven. The Youtube highlight reel would have people think you have believe the team drafted Mercury, or Thor.

Media and championships could even make a Bobby Carpenter seem like a sure thing or let a Jay Ratliff get overlooked till the 7th round.

 

[Randy White]

YES, fans, not teams in particularly, tend to overrate draft picks. That's understandable, though. It's natural to always think the grass is greener on the other side of the hill when it comes to sports.

The conventional wisdom is that teams build champions through the draft. While that's true, to a certain extent, it's actually more complicated than that. There have been examples that no matter how many picks you have, how many TOP picks you have, no matter if you select the players you were supposed to select with those picks, teams still didn't accomplish anything. Tampa Bay is one of the examples.

From 1976 through 1991, the Bucks selected players like: Leroy Selmon, Rickey Bell, Dough Williams, Hugh Green, Sean Farrell, Randy Grimes, Bo Jackson, Vinny Testaverde, Paul Gruber, Broderick Thomas, Keith McCants, and Charles McRae, yet all they had to show was 3 playoffs appearance.

Draft picks are necessary, they're good, and they should not be wasted ( although by the nature of the game itself, most of the draft picks ARE wasted ) but they're not the only ingridient of a championship team, and in some cases, not even the main one.

 

[Doomsday101]

Every draft pick is overrated - that's why a rookie salary cap is needed.

Fans and media go gaga over the unproven. The Youtube highlight reel would have people think you have believe the team drafted Mercury, or Thor.

Selecting top highlights over a college career and you could make even a Bobby Carpenter seem like a sure thing.

I agree. At least Dallas did not sink the money into Carpenter that Tenn did in Vince Young or the Raiders with Russell. These contract are beyond stupid. These player coming out of college no matter how well they did in the college ranks have yet to prove they can even play at this level. The league really needs to put a cap on these draft picks

 

[CaptainMorgan]

Every draft pick is overrated - that's why a rookie salary cap is needed.

Fans and media go gaga over the unproven. The Youtube highlight reel would have people think you have believe the team drafted Mercury, or Thor.

Selecting top highlights over a college career and you could make even a Bobby Carpenter seem like a sure thing.

I may be wrong but I believe there is a rookie salary cap called a rookie pool that limits the amount of money used to to sign all drafts picks.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I meant to put that in my original post. Economics does come into play, but I was actually coming from an on the field productions standpoint, which is what we the fans care about. Im just saying everyone would say no to trading Williams for a 1, and then go draft the likes of Chad Jackson from florida, or williamson or rice from South Carolina.

And yes captain morgan we should not trade romo for any pick, since you chose to ignore my last statement.:laugh2:

I think draft picks are over rated. It used to be, in the old days, that picks would be traded around without much fan fair. In those days, salaries associated were much smaller and you had lots more picks. Today, fewer picks, much more money invovled.

I think it's funny that you mention Jackson, Williamson and Rice. I liked all of those guys coming out. Williamson we never really had a chance at so I'm fine with that. However, I believe Jackson is now on the street so it's probably good we didn't draft him. Rice, however, I think is a different story. I really wanted him and I still wouldn't mind having him on our team.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Teams and Fans over rating Draft Picks?


IT NEVER HAPPENS

 

[thechosen1n2]

YES, fans, not teams in particularly, tend to overrate draft picks. That's understandable, though. It's natural to always think the grass is greener on the other side of the hill when it comes to sports.

The conventional wisdom is that teams build champions through the draft. While that's true, to a certain extent, it's actually more complicated than that. There have been examples that no matter how many picks you have, how many TOP picks you have, no matter if you select the players you were supposed to select with those picks, teams still didn't accomplish anything. Tampa Bay is one of the examples.

From 1976 through 1991, the Bucks selected players like: Leroy Selmon, Rickey Bell, Dough Williams, Hugh Green, Sean Farrell, Randy Grimes, Bo Jackson, Vinny Testaverde, Paul Gruber, Broderick Thomas, Keith McCants, and Charles McRae, yet all they had to show was 3 playoffs appearance.

Draft picks are necessary, they're good, and they should not be wasted ( although by the nature of the game itself, most of the draft picks ARE wasted ) but they're not the only ingridient of a championship team, and in some cases, not even the main one.

I think New England gives a healthy dose of both. This is slightly off my topic, but they are forever bringing in crafty veterans to keep them at or near the top.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Every draft pick is overrated - that's why a rookie salary cap is needed. Months of idle winter hours are used to slot and evaluate players which convincing others to think they always know the next big thing.

Fans and media go gaga over the unproven. The Youtube highlight reel would have people think you have believe the team drafted Mercury, or Thor.

Media and championships could even make a Bobby Carpenter seem like a sure thing or let a Jay Ratliff get overlooked till the 7th round.

Aint that for sure, i would say a cap for pics 1-5...6-10...11-20....21-32

Round 2 and 3 1-16...16-32. After that get what you can get. I also think if they out play those contracts, there should be some kind of obligation to renegotiate by the team.

 

[thechosen1n2]

I think draft picks are over rated. It used to be, in the old days, that picks would be traded around without much fan fair. In those days, salaries associated were much smaller and you had lots more picks. Today, fewer picks, much more money invovled.

I think it's funny that you mention Jackson, Williamson and Rice. I liked all of those guys coming out. Williamson we never really had a chance at so I'm fine with that. However, I believe Jackson is now on the street so it's probably good we didn't draft him. Rice, however, I think is a different story. I really wanted him and I still wouldn't mind having him on our team.

I was super high on williamson as well, and was scared to death when the pats got jackson...but yeah I was high on all of them.

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

Yes, the teams who don't draft well.

Talk to the Patriots and Steelers about the value of the draft.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Yes, the teams who don't draft well.

Talk to the Patriots and Steelers about the value of the draft.

This was not so much about the draft, but I hate when people tell me that someone like Romo is not worth a 1,2,3,4,5, and I only support Romo b/c he is a cowboy. To me if a guy has romos ability, and you dont have a top 14 qb on your squad, Romo is worth a 1, no less than a 2nd rounder.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Because it's cheaper and you get younger.

Unless is a deal that you can't refuse, like Peppers for a 4th then you typically want to keep draft picks.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Because it's cheaper and you get younger.

Unless is a deal that you can't refuse, like Peppers for a 4th then you typically want to keep draft picks.

I agree, it is cheaper than to get a proven commodity, but you seriously would not give a 2nd or third for peppers opposite of ware.