Do Teams and Fans Overrate Draft Picks.

[SLATEmosphere]

I agree, it is cheaper than to get a proven commodity, but you seriously would not give a 2nd or third for peppers opposite of ware.

3rd I'd really think about it. Not a 2nd.

We don't know if Butler can be just as good as Peppers. Maybe if these coaches can pull their head out of their *** and actually play him we can see!

 

[Aikbach]

You can make a blend in today's NFL but you can't have exclusively one or the other in today's league because of the turnover in rosters.

Sometimes you hit and miss, Dallas went through Al Singleton, Akin Ayodele, Zach Thomas and finally Keith Brooking before finding a linebacker to complement Bradie James inside because drafted linebackers in Carpenter and the now departed Burnett were not every down starters.

Draft picks are dependent upon savvy scouting, the modern NFL more than ever has proven it is fallacy to assume the best talent is taken in the first round.

 

[arglebargle]

You can make a blend in today's NFL but you can't have exclusively one or the other in today's league because of the turnover in rosters.

Sometimes you hit and miss, Dallas went through Al Singleton, Akin Ayodele, Zach Thomas and finally Keith Brooking before finding a linebacker to complement Bradie James inside because drafted linebackers in Carpenter and the now departed Burnett were not every down starters.

Draft picks are dependent upon savvy scouting, the modern NFL more than ever has proven it is fallacy to assume the best talent is taken in the first round.

So much attention is put on the physical talent. In part, because that is easier to quantify. Brains, heart, passion, adaptability....a bit more difficult to get a good read on. And these are guys who are often in their young twenties, who might develop and mature. I mean, who'd a thought Brandon Marshall would put his nose to the grindstone and become a team player?? So much of the game is played in head and heart, and that is much more difficult to get an idea of where the potiential draftee is, especially when those 40 times and short shuttle numbers come in....


Makes me pleased with the Cowboys focus on team leaders and guys that love football, in the past couple of drafts.

 

[thechosen1n2]

3rd I'd really think about it. Not a 2nd.

We don't know if Butler can be just as good as Peppers. Maybe if these coaches can pull their head out of their *** and actually play him we can see!

Im not saying you are wrong, that is why I posed this post as a question. But If Peppers has 4 to 5 productive years left (8 to 12 sacjs a game) why doesnt that warrant a 2nd pick in your book? (no sarcasm, i am truly curious)

 

[thechosen1n2]

So much attention is put on the physical talent. In part, because that is easier to quantify. Brains, heart, passion, adaptability....a bit more difficult to get a good read on. And these are guys who are often in their young twenties, who might develop and mature. I mean, who'd a thought Brandon Marshall would put his nose to the grindstone and become a team player?? So much of the game is played in head and heart, and that is much more difficult to get an idea of where the potiential draftee is, especially when those 40 times and short shuttle numbers come in....


Makes me pleased with the Cowboys focus on team leaders and guys that love football, in the past couple of drafts.

I cosign most of this, though the jury is still out on this last draft.

 

[big dog cowboy]

We don't know if Butler can be just as good as Peppers. Maybe if these coaches can pull their head out of their *** and actually play him we can see!

Here is the 4th round. How many of these guys you think actually see the field already and have proven themselves to be as good as Peppers? I'll give you Austin Collie, but he only had a big game last week.

Pos Ht Wt College
1 (101) Cowboys (From Lions) McGee, Stephen QB 6'3" 225 Texas A&M


2 (102) Chiefs Washington, Donald CB 6'0" 197 Ohio State


3 (103) Rams Scott, Dorell DT 6'3" 312 Clemson


4 (104) Browns Maiava, Kaluka ILB 5'11" 229 Southern Cal


5 (105) Bears (From Seahawks) Melton, Henry DE 6'3" 260 Texas


6 (106) Bengals Luigs, Jonathan C 6'4" 301 Arkansas


7 (107) Jaguars Thomas, Mike WR 5'8" 195 Arizona


8 (108) Dolphins (From Raiders) Hartline, Brian WR 6'2" 195 Ohio State


9 (109) Packers Lang, T.J. OT 6'4" 316 Eastern Michigan


10 (110) Cowboys (From Bills) Butler, Victor DE 6'2" 248 Oregon State


11 (111) Panthers (From 49ers) Goodson, Mike RB 6'0" 208 Texas A&M


12 (112) Texans Quin, Glover CB 5'11" 204 New Mexico


13 (113) Chargers Martin, Vaughn DT 6'3" 331 Western Ontario (Canada)


14 (114) Broncos Bruton, David FS 6'2" 219 Notre Dame


15 (115) Lions (From Commanders through Jets) Hill, Sammie Lee DT 6'4" 329 Stillman


16 (116) Saints Vaughn, Chip S 6'1" 221 Wake Forest


17 (117) Buccaneers (From Dallas) Moore, Kyle DE 6'5" 272 Southern Cal


18 (118) Saints (From Jets) Arnoux, Stanley ILB 6'0" 232 Wake Forest


19 (119) Bears Moore, D.J. CB 5'9" 192 Vanderbilt


20 (120) Cowboys (From Buccaneers) Williams, Brandon DE 6'5" 252 Texas Tech


21 (121) Bills (From Eagles) Nelson, Shawn TE 6'5" 240 Southern Miss


22 (122) Texans (From Vikings) Hill, Anthony TE 6'5" 262 North Carolina State


23 (123) Patriots (From Ravens) Ohrnberger, Rich OG 6'2" 297 Penn State


24 (124) Raiders (From Patriots) Murphy, Louis WR 6'2" 203 Florida


25 (125) Falcons Sidbury Jr., Lawrence DE 6'2" 266 Richmond


26 (126) Raiders (From Dolphins) Norris, Slade DE 6'2" 232 Oregon State


27 (127) Colts Collie, Austin WR 6'1" 200 BYU


28 (128) Panthers Fiammetta, Tony FB 6'0" 245 Syracuse


29 (129) Giants Brown, Andre RB 6'0" 224 North Carolina State


30 (130) Titans McRath, Gerald LB 6'2" 231 Southern Miss


31 (131) Cardinals Toler, Greg CB 5'11" 191 St Pauls


32 (132) Broncos (From Steelers) Olsen, Seth OG 6'5" 306 Iowa


33 (133) Chargers (Compensatory selection) Green, Tyronne OG 6'2" 309 Auburn


34 (134) Chargers (Compensatory selection) Johnson, Gartrell RB 5'10" 219 Colorado State


35 (135) Titans (Compensatory selection) Kropog, Troy OT 6'6" 309 Tulane


36 (136) Colts (Compensatory selection) Taylor, Terrance DT 6'0" 306 Michigan

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Yup....but actually, Dallas traded right out of the real talent in the 2nd round.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Yup....but actually, Dallas traded right out of the real talent in the 2nd round.

yeah the did trade out of talent this year, but talent and accomplished is two different things. To me it is one thing to sacrifice a pick for a year of service. 3 or 4 years, Im good.

 

[mmillman]

draft choices are overvalued imo. A high percentage of draft picks don't pan out and you have to lock up too much money in unproven players.

 

[EPL0c0]

Mel Kiper overrates draft picks

 

[Manster68]

from an on the field of play standpoint. ( i know economics comes into play)

Now before I start, this is not me endorsing of any of the players mentioned, just examples.

I hear people say that they wouldnt give anymore than a third for Merriman (and if we got merriman for a 3rd or 4th for him cudos to jerry), or when Moss was on the trading block a 2nd or a 3rd was too much because he was washed up. What about When Roy Williams and people were saying a 1st was too much. Sure it has not panned out (for whatever reason) but if he came in and was giving us pro bowl numbers like he did in detroit those 1 or 2 years, I dont see the problem. I have even heard someone say that Romo is not worth more than a 5th right now. Well my Romo irritation is at a height that it has never been but at the worst his is a top 10 to 14 qb in this league. That is worth way more than a 5th. I know, I know, hes 30...well most rookie contracts are no more than 5 years anyway so whats the big deal. If Im the Raiders, Bills, Titans, or Commanders, I would negotiate, but if Jerry was insistent on a 1st or 2nd for Romo (hypothetically speaking), I would give up my first or 2nd.

I guess my point is the draft is a crap shoot anyway, why not gamble with people that have done it before if they have 4 or 5 years left. Either way you are bringing a player in that you have high expectations for.

Just a thought, I am open for criticism, but before being critical remember: Once again this is not me advocating a Merriman trade, or asking for Tony to be traded for a 1st or a 2nd, these are just examples.

I like to look at it this way, Chosin.

Who was there at the 20th pick for the Cowboys to say that this guy can come in and immediately start and contribute?

Last April, there was only one possible candidate in my eyes. That was Michael Oher. However, Dallas has not drafted a first round offensive lineman since 1981 (Howard Richards). So I do not know if Dallas would have went that route anyway had they had their 1st round pick.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Mel Kiper overrates draft picks

my draft is always better than mel kipers.

 

[casmith07]

If for nothing else, you want to hold on to draft picks because of the potential to use them to make a move to grab that impact player. Aside from that, I don't think MOST teams overrate draft picks, but fans? :laugh1: