Do we have a good team, or just good players?

[Coogiguy03]

All around the fan blog, we hear this team is great, on the media outlets the same is said. Minus Jerry and Stephen what they do or don't do, let's focus on the players themselves.


Do we have a good team, or have we just assembled a roster full of players. Let's discuss, once again let's leave Jerry and Stephen out of it, and not bash one particular player!! Please give your thoughts.

 

[FanofJerry]

Coaching is the problem.

Doesnt seem like our coaches ever have a good game plan in the playoffs.

Doesnt help that we had a trash run game...but it seems like all these other games I watch the wr gets open but our team cant get ours open. Thats coaching...not players.

I guess you can fault Quinn for the two injuries at LB and having undersized flex personnel on his defenses...but our defense played fast and hit hard. It wasnt for lack of effort. Our defense got exposed to the run game around week 11 or 12 and we couldnt fix it because of coaching or personnel size issues. But playing hard and hitting hard was not a problem for our defense. We usually swarmed and hit hard.

I think the team, players wise, was decent. I think the post season coaching is what is hurting the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[Bullflop]

I suspect we have good players who know, for sure, that their management isn't good enough to make "winning the big one" a reality!!

 

[jazzcat22]

They are a team with some good players. And some decent coaching. Discipline being the biggest concern.

But that have not come together to be a good team, or more like a great team. And that is a combination of several things.

 

[big dog cowboy]

They are a team with some good players. And some decent coaching. Discipline being the biggest concern.

But that have not come together to be a good team, or more like a great team. And that is a combination of several things.

Clearly they are a good team. Won a lot of games the last three years. But can't beat the upper tear level teams. Mostly because of self destruction. So good team or good players? They have their moments. I'd say good team.

 

[DallasEast]

Practically all NFL players are better than any college players, so basically all professional players are good regardless of team.

Good teams make the playoffs. Dallas has made the playoffs three straight seasons. Dallas has a good team.

Both of the above are irrelevant.

Better teams maintain an efficient roster of players, who work in unison and make as few mistakes as possible consistently. Efficiency and consistency are important because the teams that do not deviate the farthest from their ultimate goal advance further than their peers. Each season, the best team is the most efficient and consistent.

@Coogiguy03, please give your thoughts beyond that of simply good players and good teams.

 

[jazzcat22]

I suspect we have good players who know, for sure, that their management isn't good enough to make winning the big one a reality!!

Disagree. The players do not think that about management. If they do, they they do not belong on the team.
Not defending the FO. But the players must look to themselves first.

The FO are not the one out there making stupid penalties at the worse times. They are not out missing tackles, dropping passes, not making the passes.

 

[Ranching]

All around the fan blog, we hear this team is great, on the media outlets the same is said. Minus Jerry and Stephen what they do or don't do, let's focus on the players themselves.


Do we have a good team, or have we just assembled a roster full of players. Let's discuss, once again let's leave Jerry and Stephen out of it, and not bash one particular player!! Please give your thoughts.

We have both. Winning 37 NFL games in 3 years is not easy. That said, we shoot ourselves in the foot at in opportune times. There is enough blame to go around on those. Coaching....any time a team is flat, look at coaching, not ready to play, not able to overcome that with plays that will light a fire, not being able to outcoach the opposing staff.

Players, buying into their hype, wanting big number to help their off season negotiations, not holding each accountable, but whining and moping openly during the game (reminds me of some around here, LOL).

FO and leadership for allowing this to happen over and over again.

To answer your questions, we have good players that don't play like a team. I saw a disconnect between offensive and defensive play calling. The OC should call plays with protecting the defense is in their gameplan, for example if the defense comes off the field after a long drive, the offense should try to run the ball, dink and dunk and put a few first downs together, giving the defense some to rest and talk to coaches and make adjustments on the sideline. The defense shouldn't be blitzing every play, leaving receivers and running lanes wide open and allowing easy TDS that puts the offense in attack mode and not being able to protect the defense. This is where it all falls apart.

 

[kskboys]

All around the fan blog, we hear this team is great, on the media outlets the same is said. Minus Jerry and Stephen what they do or don't do, let's focus on the players themselves.


Do we have a good team, or have we just assembled a roster full of players. Let's discuss, once again let's leave Jerry and Stephen out of it, and not bash one particular player!! Please give your thoughts.

We have some good players that are way too often counterfeited by gaping holes we have. Those gaping holes are from poor drafting.

 

[kskboys]

Disagree. The players do not think that about management. If they do, they they do not belong on the team.
Not defending the FO. But the players must look to themselves first.

The FO are not the one out there making stupid penalties at the worse times. They are not out missing tackles, dropping passes, not making the passes.

Since the FO's job is to acquire players and coaches, it actually is them. If the players/coaches aren't doing their job, it is the FO not doing their job. It's simply trickling down.

 

[Bullflop]

Disagree. The players do not think that about management. If they do, they they do not belong on the team.
Not defending the FO. But the players must look to themselves first.

The FO are not the one out there making stupid penalties at the worse times. They are not out missing tackles, dropping passes, not making the passes.

There's much to be said for what you're saying here, although I believe there's a persistent feeling among the players that they're stymied by a management that will find a way to mismanage things steadfastly enough to be a curse on anything they try to accomplish to be a real winner. I suspect they feel strongly that the ownership and management doesn't belong on the team and that they're a blight upon their winning abilities. It seems to create a culture that persists in existing, regardless of the players that are involved from one year to the next. It's a curse that never ends.

 

[Big_D]

We have some good players, but overall the 53 is the problem and the holes are piling up. This is a FO notorious for being pretty clueless in these situations.

 

[kskboys]

We have some good players, but overall the 53 is the problem and the holes are piling up. This is a FO notorious for being pretty clueless in these situations.

You simply cannot overstate how much we're hurting from multiple 2nd round misses. 2nd round picks are a big part of the heart of your team. We have two that have worked out in the past multiple years, DLaw and Diggs. 2. That's it. 2 successes in the 2nd round since before the DLaw pick is beyond pathetic.

 

[ThatJerryKid]

All around the fan blog, we hear this team is great, on the media outlets the same is said. Minus Jerry and Stephen what they do or don't do, let's focus on the players themselves.


Do we have a good team, or have we just assembled a roster full of players. Let's discuss, once again let's leave Jerry and Stephen out of it, and not bash one particular player!! Please give your thoughts.

We have 3 elite players and one is getting old, Parsons, Lamb and Martin. For everyone else, there are hundreds of the same caliber of player across the league. To win playoff games, your elite players and coaching need to be the difference. Parsons was invisible. Lamb was too busy pouting and McCarthy didn’t have the team ready.

 

[Big_D]

You simply cannot overstate how much we're hurting from multiple 2nd round misses. 2nd round picks are a big part of the heart of your team. We have two that have worked out in the past multiple years, DLaw and Diggs. 2. That's it. 2 successes in the 2nd round since before the DLaw pick is beyond pathetic.

And that’s on top of their pathetic job in free agency, overpaying their own free agents, never having a legitimate long term plan. The list of poor decisions goes on and on. their terrible job in round 2 magnifies all of it.

 

[kskboys]

And that’s on top of their pathetic job in free agency, overpaying their own free agents, never having a legitimate long term plan. The list of poor decisions goes on and on. their terrible job in round 2 magnifies all of it.

And the players are/were there. While we were chasing McCoy and Poe and Nolan Carroll and HaHa, Cincy was signing big ol' Reader who was a big part their super bowl appearance.

 

[SinceDayOne]

Good team. Not a championship level team. Not bad enough to be called terrible; not good enough to be called great. Like most things in life when the playing ground is level people rise as far as they are capable. The Cowboys are what they are. Just take the results as the gauge.

 

[Coogiguy03]

We have some good players that are way too often counterfeited by gaping holes we have. Those gaping holes are from poor drafting.

good point

 

[GMO415]

We have 53 Brands who are turning on each other and claiming they were tired before the very first playoff game. You call that a team?

 

[Coogiguy03]

Coaching is the problem.

Doesnt seem like our coaches ever have a good game plan in the playoffs.

Doesnt help that we had a trash run game...but it seems like all these other games I watch the wr gets open but our team cant get ours open. Thats coaching...not players.

I guess you can fault Quinn for the two injuries at LB and having undersized flex personnel on his defenses...but our defense played fast and hit hard. It wasnt for lack of effort. Our defense got exposed to the run game around week 11 or 12 and we couldnt fix it because of coaching or personnel size issues. But playing hard and hitting hard was not a problem for our defense. We usually swarmed and hit hard.

I think the team, players wise, was decent. I think the post season coaching is what is hurting the Dallas Cowboys.

it's crazy to see that our guys are never prepared and a step behind. Biggest game of the season and we come out looking lost!!