Do We Overrate Newman?

[Hostile]

LOL....

Yeah...I just don't like seeing people use INTs, Tackles, and passes defensed as means to prove a corners superiority over another...

I think passes defensed is a decent indicator...but it only gets counted if someone throws at you.

What doesn't show up is blanketing your WR and the QB has to look elsewhere bec. of it.... That to me, is great coverage. Yet, it doesn't show up in the stat book.

But allowing a 23 yard pass and making the tackle does.

I have a newfound respect for you.

That other post was a blow to my ticker.

This one restores my faith in humanity.

 

[Vintage]

Anytime I see the PWNT, OWN things or excessive punctuation, I immediately dismiss the commentary as blabbering from a mental deficient. But I know you aren't so I got the joke.

Gracias.

 

[kartr]

I think it's both.

We, as fans, do overrate him. The NFL, as a whole, underrates him. I think he's much better then what he's given credit for.

I think one point that is being missed is that he was a top 6 pick, yet Rashean Mathis of Jacksonville has better numbers and he was a second rounder. He has to cover Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Andre Johnson every year and the alternate corner is just a guy. Plus Jacksonville has already redone his rookie deal they're so impressed with the guy. I was so impressed with his scouting report, I wanted him in the 2nd round to pair with Kevin Williams in the first round in 2003. In my view, we whiiffed big time in our 2003 draft. Williams would have made Ekuban better and he might still be on the team. It's not that I think Newman is bad, I just don't see him as special, he's not the next Deion Sanders as Jerry described him. I think Mathis is closer.

 

[kartr]

I think it's both.

We, as fans, do overrate him. The NFL, as a whole, underrates him. I think he's much better then what he's given credit for.

Also, the Couch scout web site ranks Mathis at 25, Newman at 31 and Anthony Henry at 47. I looked this up after the first message I sent you. My initial statement was based comparing Newman's numbers to Mathis numbers on NFL.com.

 

[Vintage]

Coincidentally, I was hoping we were going to draft Kevin Williams in round one and Rashean Mathis in round two....

 

[burmafrd]

Claiming that Mathis is covering Harrison, etc ignores what kind of coverage is going on. Newman has covered Steve Smith, TO and others as well. And up untill last year Newman did not have a top guy next to him either.

 

[Jay9508]

Newman is inconsistent, one year he plays like a top 3 corner and the next year he plays like football is something new to him. He's not getting much from the media because of that, if he can play like he did last season for this upcoming season, then the media would mention him more often. But to answer your question all Cowboys fans don't over rate him, they give him his respected props.

 

[kartr]

Many on here agree with the masses just so they dont get bashed for saying what they think.

Then that explains the group mentality here and why divergence of opinion is so unappreciated.

 

[Derinyar]

Then that explains the group mentality here and why divergence of opinion is so unappreciated.

Reasoned and supported divergance of opinion is appreciated. Unreasoned kneejerking opinions get bashed, and they deserve to.

 

[BigDFan5]

Reasoned and supported divergance of opinion is appreciated. Unreasoned kneejerking opinions get bashed, and they deserve to.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Reasoned and supported divergance of opinion is appreciated. Unreasoned kneejerking opinions get bashed, and they deserve to.

Ding Ding Ding

Or people that latch on to one or two topics like a rabid snapping turtle and go to the ends of exaggeration to try and prove their point even though they are proven wrong time and time again.

Actually the few times I see Kartr post on something other than QC some mention of a QC related topic it shocks me.

 

[BigDFan5]

Ding Ding Ding

Or people that latch on to one or two topics like a rabid snapping turtle and go to the ends of exaggeration to try and prove their point even though they are proven wrong time and time again.

Actually the few times I see Kartr post on something other than QC some mention of a QC related topic it shocks me.

You aren't kidding. Seeing Kartr outside of a QB/Crankcase thread is a humbling experience

 

[Bob Sacamano]

have you guys seen the elusive non-Crankase post from katr?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

have you guys seen the elusive non-Crankase post from katr?

I actually was reading a thread yesterday today, and I thought it was a non QC (even non QB) related topic he posted about.

It shocked me.:laugh1:

Actually it is in this very thread.

He is talking about mathis at CB for the jags.

Really shocked me he did not find a way to somehow include QC or in some way allude to a race card.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

uh, what, wh..wh..where am I?

sorry, I just fainted Brain

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

uh, what, wh..wh..where am I?

sorry, I just fainted Brain

I farted, you fainted.

It all works out.:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I farted, you fainted.

It all works out.:

:starspin

 

[stilltheguru]

i love when skins fans come in here and try to not be homers.


what exactly did rogers do last year?seriously

he had a good game here and there but its not like he played in all 16 games and was locking people down.get outta here with that.

lets see what he does next year when terry glenn is running past him.


henry and newman>>>springs and rogers.

 

[BigDFan5]

I farted, you fainted.

It all works out.:

 

[kartr]

I actually was reading a thread yesterday today, and I thought it was a non QC (even non QB) related topic he posted about.

It shocked me.:laugh1:

Actually it is in this very thread.

He is talking about mathis at CB for the jags.

Really shocked me he did not find a way to somehow include QC or in some way allude to a race card.

The QC hatred on this board is so out of control, that you don't really notice my other posts. You think of me as the QC guy, which makes you ignore the other posts I make on our roster. I've talked about Mathis over Newman for over a year, I've talked about Kevin Williams for over a year, I've talked about Omar Jacobs, Richard Marshall, Jonathan Orr, Shawne Merriman, Chris Brown of the Titans over Witten, who I like, but thought we needed a decent back over a 4th tight end. I've talked about Parcells infatuation with tight ends and linebackers and how the tight end is a complimentary receiving option, not a go to position.. How on earth you can get race out of my wanting the best athletes at every position boggles the mind. I didn't want Leftwich, I don't want Brooks or Vick as my qb, but I did want Jason Campbell or Omar Jacobs. I want the best athletes at every position, period. I loved Staubach, I hated Danny White. I loved Steve Young's and Elways athleticism, but didn't like Marino the statue. I love Farve's athleticism, but hate Bledsoe the statue. The one common denominator in a qb I like is athleticism, not race. You can learn to read defenses or throw accurately, but you can't learn to run.