Do We Overrate Newman?

[InmanRoshi]

The only mainstream media person I've seen who's even attempted to calculate who the best CB is the way Adam or KC Joyner does is Dr. Z, and he had Newman rated the best in the CB NFL.

The CB is horribly evaluated by the media because there really isn't a stat out there that people can get their hands around to evaluate the position. INT's is a terrible evaluator, and I think people would be surprised at how few interceptions most pro bowl CB's have in a typical season if they bothered to do the research. So at the end of the day people go by word of mouth and notoriety .. .which is why you see the names Champ Bailey and Chris McAllister thrown around all the time.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Do We Overrate Newman?

Yes, and this thread is a testement to that

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yes, and this thread is a testement to that

If there is a grain to be found anywhere, I think you will find a way to go against it.

 

[Doomsday101]

No I am in no way saying he is that good.

But what I am saying is he is not flashy and acting a fool dancing and all of that on the field.

Heck even when deion was getting ready to field a return he was out looking like a fool dancing around with his arms in the air before the ball was even kicked.

I agree Deion was a showman as well and did bring attention to himself. Thing is when you do that you best be able to back it up and Deion did do that.

 

[The30YardSlant]

If there is a grain to be found anywhere, I think you will find a way to go against it.

Read past threads. I've always held that Newman was overrated on these boards. He's good, yes, but the minute Adam threw out that "he didnt give up a TD all year" stat, he was annointed the best coverage corner in football right there on the spot and no one has looked back sense.

I may seem to go against the grain because I am not the eternal optimist most of you. This team has flaws, some pretty major ones at that. Newman is a good corner, top 10 definately, but he is not an elite cover corner just yet.

 

[Alexander]

So at the end of the day people go by word of mouth and notoriety.

I think this applies to many positions in the Pro Bowl. OL is another great example.

 

[StylisticS]

People still think he is the weak link in our secondary. Those same people probably didn't watch more than 2 or 3 games last year. If anything, he is underrated. Let him continue to be too.

 

[5Stars]

I agree Deion was a showman as well and did bring attention to himself. Thing is when you do that you best be able to back it up and Deion did do that.

Yes he did! There are alot of Cowboy fans that don't like Deion because of his antics...but, I'm not one of them. I actually enjoyed watching him make a fool of himself because he talks the talk, and backed it up...

He is definetely "Primetime"...

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Read past threads. I've always held that Newman was overrated on these boards. He's good, yes, but the minute Adam threw out that "he didnt give up a TD all year" stat, he was annointed the best coverage corner in football right there on the spot and no one has looked back sense.

I may seem to go against the grain because I am not the eternal optimist most of you. This team has flaws, some pretty major ones at that. Newman is a good corner, top 10 definately, but he is not an elite cover corner just yet.

You show me a CB that does not give a touchdown all year while being the number one starting CB on a team. And he doesn't get the press he does. Then without a doubt he is underated.

Now I know it is a bit of your game to act like a pain in the butt and argue for argues sake but to say he is overrated is silly.

Is he a Deion, No...but he was one of the best CBs in the league last year.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I agree Deion was a showman as well and did bring attention to himself. Thing is when you do that you best be able to back it up and Deion did do that.

Yes I remember deciding not to play the game when moss came to town.

I remember him doing that stupid dance waiting to do a return as a Commander and promptly dropping the ball because he was to busy being a fool.

He was never the same after his injury, he no longer could back up the act, but it did not stop him from acting the same way.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes he did! There are alot of Cowboy fans that don't like Deion because of his antics...but, I'm not one of them. I actually enjoyed watching him make a fool of himself because he talks the talk, and backed it up...

He is definetely "Primetime"...

I'm not big into the antics but as long as your not costing the team 15 yarder by doing so I have no big problem with it. As for his skills I have seen a lot of CB over the years and as far as pure cover ability I don't think any one was better. Add to that his ability to return an int, punt or kickoff. Not to mention the reverse he ran against Philly in the playoffs one year, total amazement on that play.

 

[The30YardSlant]

You show me a CB that does not give a touchdown all year while being the number one starting CB on a team. And he doesn't get the press he does. Then without a doubt he is underated.

Now I know it is a bit of your game to act like a pain in the but and argue for argues sake but to say he is overrated is silly.

Is he a Deion, No...but he was one of the best CBs in the league last year.

Underrated nationally, yes, but that wasnt the question. The question was do WE, as a fanbase, overrate Newman. The answer to that is most certainly yes.

And what "game" is this you speak of? I've never argued for anything I didnt believe was true, not once. I'd appreciate not getting lumped in with Nors and his posts simply to incite people. I just dont care if anyone agrees with me or not. Big difference.

 

[InmanRoshi]

As far as the "Terrence doesn't get enough interceptions to be a considered an elite CB"....

Career INT totals through their first 3 years in the league

Deion 14
Bailey 13
Newman 11
Charles Woodson 10
McAlister 10
Darrell Green 9
Law 9
Rod Woodson 8
Trufant 8
Barber 4

Looks like he holds up pretty well against some good company to me. But you would never know it listening to reputation and word of mouth, because no one bothers to actually look this stuff up (other than Adam). Which makes it all the more sad that CB's are evaluated solely by word of mouth and reputation.

 

[CoCo]

As far as the "Terrence doesn't get enough interceptions to be a considered an elite CB"....

Career INT totals through their first 3 years in the league

Deion 14
Bailey 13
Newman 11
Charles Woodson 10
McAlister 10
Law 9
Rod Woodson 8
Trufant 8
Barber 4

Looks like he holds up pretty well against some good company to me. But you would never know it listening to word of mouth, because no one bothers to actually look this stuff up other than Adam.

Beautiful.

I love it when someone talks facts.

 

[The30YardSlant]

As far as the "Terrence doesn't get enough interceptions to be a considered an elite CB"....

Career INT totals through their first 3 years in the league

Deion 14
Bailey 13
Newman 11
Charles Woodson 10
McAlister 10
Law 9
Rod Woodson 8
Trufant 8
Barber 4

Looks like he holds up pretty well against some good company to me. But you would never know it listening to reputation and word of mouth, because no one bothers to actually look this stuff up (other than Adam). Which makes it all the more sad that CB's are evaluated solely by word of mouth and reputation.

Again, you wont hear me talking badly of T-New or his INT totals. I'm just sayign he is not the best cover corner in football, not yet anyway.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Underrated nationally, yes, but that wasnt the question. The question was do WE, as a fanbase, overrate Newman. The answer to that is most certainly yes.

And what "game" is this you speak of? I've never argued for anything I didnt believe was true, not once. I'd appreciate not getting lumped in with Nors and his posts simply to incite people. I just dont care if anyone agrees with me or not. Big difference.

Then don't act the way you do, and you won't get lumped in with people like nors.

Pretty simple.

 

[Doomsday101]

Again, you wont hear me talking badly of T-New or his INT totals. I'm just sayign he is not the best cover corner in football, not yet anyway.

True however he has had to do this with not much of a pass rush since he has been with Dallas.

 

[dougonthebench]

Again, you wont hear me talking badly of T-New or his INT totals. I'm just sayign he is not the best cover corner in football, not yet anyway.

how would we be without him?

 

[InmanRoshi]

Again, you wont hear me talking badly of T-New or his INT totals. I'm just sayign he is not the best cover corner in football, not yet anyway.

But would you agree that general consenses, even on this board, is that Newman doesn't make many interceptions? I've seen it several times on this thread alone.

So, I would say to the original question: No .. we don't overrate Terrence Newman on this board. In fact, we criticize him for things that aren't even true.

 

[Doomsday101]

how would we be without him?

I don't even want to think about that!!!