Do we really need to spend a 1st round pick on a RB?

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I really don't get this, we're pretty much looking for a spell back to MB3. It seems like such a huge waste to spend a first on someone who might only see a limited role on the team. HBs seem time be a dime a dozen these days anyway, why is everyone so high on getting a RB in the first when there's more then likely plenty of RBs in the lower rounds capable of carrying the ball 8-12 times a game that we don't have to commit starter money to get for the next 4 years?
 

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We dont have a lot of holes on this team and if we get Pacrat before the draft I dont think we'll be looking for a corner @ 22.

If Dallas really likes someone like Mendenhall I wouldn't be shocked to see a trade up.
 

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Ren;2026063 said:
I really don't get this, we're pretty much looking for a spell back to MB3. It seems like such a huge waste to spend a first on someone who might only see a limited role on the team. HBs seem time be a dime a dozen these days anyway, why is everyone so high on getting a RB in the first when there's more then likely plenty of RBs in the lower rounds capable of carrying the ball 8-12 times a game that we don't have to commit starter money to get for the next 4 years?

We don't NEED anyone right now as all of our starters are in place already but we do have needs for depth at a number of positions: RB, WR, CB in particular which is why those are the main positions we are targeting in the 1st 2 rounds of the draft.

Other than Barber we don't have another RB that can step in and start so it makes sense to pick one up in the first couple of rounds.

If Glenn is healthy then we have our two starting WRs but both he and Owens are on the wrong side of 30 and can't be counted on to play a full season so we need to bring in young talent to step up when needed. We could also trade for a guy like Roy Williams of Detroit which would serve the same purpose or even upgrade the position.

We have two very good starting CBs on the roster right now in Newman and Henry which is why I don't get the need to trade for Adam Jones but I guess if he comes cheaply enough he is too talented for Jerry to pass up. We lost Reeves and Nate Jones in FA so we don't have a lot of quality depth behind the starters. That makes CB a priority in the 1st round whether we sign Jones or not as it is not certain that he will even be eligible to play this coming season and could at any point do something stupid and be suspended again.

The nice thing is that the team that went 13-3 and was, for most of the season, the best team in the NFC, is coming back again this year except for Julius Jones and Barber is an upgrade at that position anyway. The only other weak position on the team in terms of starters was Akin Ayodele and we have addressed that by signing Zach Thomas.

I could see us taking a WR and CB in the first round and a RB in the second or any combination of that depending on who is available when we select assuming we keep all three picks.
 

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Ren;2026063 said:
I really don't get this, we're pretty much looking for a spell back to MB3. It seems like such a huge waste to spend a first on someone who might only see a limited role on the team. HBs seem time be a dime a dozen these days anyway, why is everyone so high on getting a RB in the first when there's more then likely plenty of RBs in the lower rounds capable of carrying the ball 8-12 times a game that we don't have to commit starter money to get for the next 4 years?

What if MBIII and his agent want too much to sign next year? Wouldn't it be great to have a (by then hopefully) proven backup plan? You yourself said RBs are a dime a dozen so why should JJ pay Probowl money to MBIII?

Or what if MBIII gets hurt and out for the season in the first game or in training camp? Wouldn't it be better to have a first round potential back then?
 

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Ren;2026063 said:
I really don't get this, we're pretty much looking for a spell back to MB3. It seems like such a huge waste to spend a first on someone who might only see a limited role on the team. HBs seem time be a dime a dozen these days anyway, why is everyone so high on getting a RB in the first when there's more then likely plenty of RBs in the lower rounds capable of carrying the ball 8-12 times a game that we don't have to commit starter money to get for the next 4 years?

Many people believe MBIII can not carry the full load himself, that he needs to be in a 2 back system. All evidence so far supports that. Even in college MBIII has always been in a 2 back system, he has never been just the main guy. Through all his time in college and in Dallas the coaches seem to have the same feeling about him. MBIII is great at pounding the ball and giving us that aspect of the running game, but he does not give us that game breaking ability that can go the distance everytime he touches the ball, we lack that in our offense. Jerry has been talking about the WOW player for a while now on offense, that is what he wants to add. We are in a position to do that with 2 firsts and not many holes to fill.

I would also expect that if we do draft that player you will see more than just 8-12 carries. It is very possible you could see another 3 to 4 touches in the return game, and catching the ball out of the backfield ala Westbrook.
You give a game breaker that many touches in a game it can be the difference.

This is why so many people are looking at guys like Felix Jones, Chris Johnson, and Jamal Charles, we need speed, return ability, ability to make defenses pay in the open field, and we need a good reciever out of the backfield that can take a short pass and go the distance. We do not have this in our offense, if we can add it, LOOK OUT NFL !!!!!
 

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THUMPER;2026076 said:
We don't NEED anyone right now as all of our starters are in place already but we do have needs for depth at a number of positions: RB, WR, CB in particular which is why those are the main positions we are targeting in the 1st 2 rounds of the draft.

Other than Barber we don't have another RB that can step in and start so it makes sense to pick one up in the first couple of rounds.

If Glenn is healthy then we have our two starting WRs but both he and Owens are on the wrong side of 30 and can't be counted on to play a full season so we need to bring in young talent to step up when needed. We could also trade for a guy like Roy Williams of Detroit which would serve the same purpose or even upgrade the position.

We have two very good starting CBs on the roster right now in Newman and Henry which is why I don't get the need to trade for Adam Jones but I guess if he comes cheaply enough he is too talented for Jerry to pass up. We lost Reeves and Nate Jones in FA so we don't have a lot of quality depth behind the starters. That makes CB a priority in the 1st round whether we sign Jones or not as it is not certain that he will even be eligible to play this coming season and could at any point do something stupid and be suspended again.

The nice thing is that the team that went 13-3 and was, for most of the season, the best team in the NFC, is coming back again this year except for Julius Jones and Barber is an upgrade at that position anyway. The only other weak position on the team in terms of starters was Akin Ayodele and we have addressed that by signing Zach Thomas.

I could see us taking a WR and CB in the first round and a RB in the second or any combination of that depending on who is available when we select assuming we keep all three picks.
Will you please stop kidding yourself. your starting SS is Roy williams. he's flatout terrible.Terry Glen is finished. we can not go into another season counting on him.nor can we count on A. henry. the guy get's hurt every year.and Brady james is terrible. this team has lot's of needs.im tired of hearing how great we are when we have not won a playoff game for 10 years.
 

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cowboyrock;2026089 said:
Will you please stop kidding yourself. your starting SS is Roy williams. he's flatout terrible.Terry Glen is finished. we can not go into another season counting on him.nor can we count on A. henry. the guy get's hurt every year.and Brady james is terrible. this team has lot's of needs.im tired of hearing how great we are when we have not won a playoff game for 10 years.

13-3 pal, that's all I have to say in response. :cool:
 

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Champsheart;2026080 said:
Many people believe MBIII can not carry the full load himself, that he needs to be in a 2 back system. All evidence so far supports that. Even in college MBIII has always been in a 2 back system, he has never been just the main guy. Through all his time in college and in Dallas the coaches seem to have the same feeling about him. MBIII is great at pounding the ball and giving us that aspect of the running game, but he does not give us that game breaking ability that can go the distance everytime he touches the ball, we lack that in our offense. Jerry has been talking about the WOW player for a while now on offense, that is what he wants to add. We are in a position to do that with 2 firsts and not many holes to fill.

I would also expect that if we do draft that player you will see more than just 8-12 carries. It is very possible you could see another 3 to 4 touches in the return game, and catching the ball out of the backfield ala Westbrook.
You give a game breaker that many touches in a game it can be the difference.

This is why so many people are looking at guys like Felix Jones, Chris Johnson, and Jamal Charles, we need speed, return ability, ability to make defenses pay in the open field, and we need a good reciever out of the backfield that can take a short pass and go the distance. We do not have this in our offense, if we can add it, LOOK OUT NFL !!!!!

Agreed. Barber is best when used as he was during the 2007 season. He is not really a starter in the sense that Emmitt was. He functions best when complementing a more scatback runner who can catch out of the backfield, IMO.

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THUMPER;2026076 said:
I could see us taking a WR and CB in the first round
Except for the fact Jerry said either last week or earlier this week that we won't go WR in the first round I agree. :D

For the record I don't have much faith in Glenn returning either. And I'd like to see us agressively go after either Roy Williams or Anquan Boldin.
 

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I'm not sure about drafting a RB #1 either. To me that's a sure sign that Barber will not be here next year. Taking a back in the 2nd or 3rd round makes a little more sense to me.
 

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big dog cowboy;2026096 said:
Except for the fact Jerry said either last week or earlier this week that we won't go WR in the first round I agree. :D

That's because Jerry is a total idiot and has done nothing but wreck this team since he bought it. :eek:

Just kidding. :D
 

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It is too risky waiting to draft RB in the later rounds. Who will be there in the 3rd, 4th, 5th rounds? No one can predict. There is a hole at RB right now. You have to fill that hole as quick as possible with the best available RB. That is why RB will be a 1st rd priority.

I'm hoping Mendenhall will be there at 22.
 

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ninja;2026114 said:
It is too risky waiting to draft RB in the later rounds. Who will be there in the 3rd, 4th, 5th rounds? No one can predict. There is a hole at RB right now. You have to fill that hole as quick as possible with the best available RB. That is why RB will be a 1st rd priority.

I'm hoping Mendenhall will be there at 22.
Actually team scouts predict that pretty well when they set up their board. They know about what rounds guys will go with a few exceptions when there are other teams reaching.
 

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Ren;2026063 said:
Do we really need to spend a 1st round pick on a RB?
We won't go RB in the first round.

Everyone knows we always pick a defensive player in the first round. :D
 

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cowboyrock;2026089 said:
Will you please stop kidding yourself. your starting SS is Roy williams. he's flatout terrible.Terry Glen is finished. we can not go into another season counting on him.nor can we count on A. henry. the guy get's hurt every year.and Brady james is terrible. this team has lot's of needs.im tired of hearing how great we are when we have not won a playoff game for 10 years.
I'll give you Terry and to a point Roy, but Bradie James=terrible? Really? To me he's the prototypical ILB; makes plenty of tackles, calls the defense, lacks a little in pass coverage. Do you really think anyone that we draft w/ our firsts can beat out Henry? Or James for that matter. I'm sure that's what he meant by "not needing anyone specifically". We may need some depth and FUTURE starters (esp. at WR & CB) but nothing that JJ & co. need to reach for early in the draft.
 

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This is what might happen if we don't get an rb in the first round. Ok so lets just say Marion the Barbarian goes out with a big injury and won't be back all season. Then the running back you drafted in the second round comes in and he is probally not going to do much better then Thyson Thompso(and he sucks) and then your running game would go down hill and when your running game goes down hill the your offensive line starts to get weaker which means your passing game gets weaker and then you stat to suck. Although if the right rb was availible in the second round I would take him. But chances are it wouldn't end up that good.
 

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big dog cowboy;2026137 said:
We won't go RB in the first round.

Everyone knows we always pick a defensive player in the first round. :D
:laugh2: you know! i saw a mock the other day that had us not only staying at #22 and #28 but taking an ILB and a SS in the 1st round.
 

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cowboyrock;2026089 said:
Will you please stop kidding yourself. your starting SS is Roy williams. he's flatout terrible.Terry Glen is finished. we can not go into another season counting on him.nor can we count on A. henry. the guy get's hurt every year.and Brady james is terrible. this team has lot's of needs.im tired of hearing how great we are when we have not won a playoff game for 10 years.

Sure you're a Cowboy fan?
 
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